Replace the Scoreboard?

[Guest]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

[jersey cubs fan]

I dont like the idea of a jumbo-tron at Wrigley myself..

when I mentioned it could be retractable, the point of that was to say here is a jumbo-tron

during batting practice and before the game and advertise to the fans at the ballpark in some way

but when game started. then drop it down...not a real good plan...but how many times do you

get to see a jumbo-tron advertisement DURING the game ?

 

I don't really understand the point of your question, but the answer to that last line is, all the time.

[Banedon]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

 

Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but maybe this helps?

 

http://trianglebuilding.blogspot.com/

[ConstableRabbit]

Put me solidly in the anti-jumbotron camp. Not having a huge video display is one of the things that makes Wrigley special. This summer I had the opportunity to visit AT&T park for a few games and was really excited. When I got there it felt like I was on a basketball game or cruise ship with all of the gimmicks on the scoreboard.

 

There are other ways the Cubs could make money, and other creative ways they could advertise/show replays in-game (e.g., in-stadium website for smartphones, sponsored by a wireless carrier).

 

Come on. At some point don't we have to let go of the "we're special cuz of X thing that doesn't make the team on the field any better"?

 

If it took tearing Wrigley to the ground, and building a new ballpark for the Cubs to win a WS, I'd be all for it.

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better, unless there's something I don't know about kiss-cams...

 

Facilities, yes, which is why I'm hugely in favor of the Wrigley 2014 plan and triangle building. Revenues, yes, but jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue, which can be generated in other ways.

 

You'd trade Wrigley for one WS title? It's kind of a silly hypothetical, but I'd rather have my cake and eat it too. Wrigley is part of the Cubs for me. If they won a title in a home stadium that looked like the Great American Ballpark I'd be excited, but it wouldn't feel the same.

[Banedon]

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better

 

jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue

 

That's the correlation. Generating additional revenue allows you to spend more, whether it be on major league payroll, or using it for minor league/developmental uses. I don't think it's coincidental that the Red Sox sustained success came after they started updating/renovating Fenway.

[Guest]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

 

Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but maybe this helps?

 

http://trianglebuilding.blogspot.com/

 

To be clear, that's only one student's ideas, and not necessarily what the team plans to do.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better, unless there's something I don't know about kiss-cams...

 

Nobody is saying a jumbotron will make the team better. The point is it will bring in additional revenue to allow the management to pay more to make the team better.

 

Facilities, yes, which is why I'm hugely in favor of the Wrigley 2014 plan and triangle building. Revenues, yes, but jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue, which can be generated in other ways.

 

The fact that there are other ways is pointless. You must look at all ways. And a jumbotron is one of the best ways. If a jumbotron will mean $15m a year in additional revenue and some rinky dink replacement concept would mean $3m, you don't go rinky dink.

 

 

You'd trade Wrigley for one WS title? It's kind of a silly hypothetical, but I'd rather have my cake and eat it too. Wrigley is part of the Cubs for me. If they won a title in a home stadium that looked like the Great American Ballpark I'd be excited, but it wouldn't feel the same.

 

It wouldn't feel the same, but it would still be freaking awesome.

 

There are three options:

Tear down Wrigley, build a new better revenue generator.

Keep Wrigley, but make necessary improvements for generate revenue.

Keep Wrigley and don't add revenue generators.

 

The first option is not all that nice, the last option is dumb, and the middle option is the only real one.

[Banedon]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

 

Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but maybe this helps?

 

http://trianglebuilding.blogspot.com/

 

To be clear, that's only one student's ideas, and not necessarily what the team plans to do.

 

Oh, thanks. Somehow I missed that...distracted by shiny pictures.

[ConstableRabbit]

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better

 

jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue

 

That's the correlation. Generating additional revenue allows you to spend more, whether it be on major league payroll, or using it for minor league/developmental uses. I don't think it's coincidental that the Red Sox sustained success came after they started updating/renovating Fenway.

That's not a direct correlation. The only direct correlation in the equation is revenue to on-field success.

 

Revenue Generator ---> More Revenue ---> Team being better

 

That revenue generator need not be a jumbotron. It need not be one thing, period. It can be a lot of small things.

[jersey cubs fan]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

 

There are a lot of concepts more than concrete plans.

 

The triangle building should wind up including some parking, some restaurants/bars a museum. There will probably some kind of grandstand overhaul, and despite claims to the contrary, there is room to do this on both the 3rd and 1st base sides. There is supposedly going to be some sort of other parking garage across the street either outside LF or RF corner.

[jersey cubs fan]

That revenue generator need not be a jumbotron. It need not be one thing, period. It can be a lot of small things.

 

Or it can be a jumbotron and a bunch of small things to make even more revenue.

[Banedon]

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better

 

jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue

 

That's the correlation. Generating additional revenue allows you to spend more, whether it be on major league payroll, or using it for minor league/developmental uses. I don't think it's coincidental that the Red Sox sustained success came after they started updating/renovating Fenway.

That's not a direct correlation. The only direct correlation in the equation is revenue to on-field success.

 

Revenue Generator ---> More Revenue ---> Team being better

 

That revenue generator need not be a jumbotron. It need not be one thing, period. It can be a lot of small things.

 

Why would you purposely ignore a possible stream of revenue?

[ConstableRabbit]

I don't think there's a direct correlation between a jumbotron and the team being better

 

jumbotrons are only a way to get additional revenue

 

That's the correlation. Generating additional revenue allows you to spend more, whether it be on major league payroll, or using it for minor league/developmental uses. I don't think it's coincidental that the Red Sox sustained success came after they started updating/renovating Fenway.

That's not a direct correlation. The only direct correlation in the equation is revenue to on-field success.

 

Revenue Generator ---> More Revenue ---> Team being better

 

That revenue generator need not be a jumbotron. It need not be one thing, period. It can be a lot of small things.

 

Why would you purposely ignore a possible stream of revenue?

I'm not ignoring it -- I'm weighing it and deciding against it. I think it takes away from the experience and brand of Wrigley Field and the Cubs.

[ConstableRabbit]

That revenue generator need not be a jumbotron. It need not be one thing, period. It can be a lot of small things.

 

Or it can be a jumbotron and a bunch of small things to make even more revenue.

That's one approach, yes.

[moochpuppy]

i'm still waiting for somebody to hit the scoreboard with a home run, even though it will probably never happen.

 

 

With about 325 AB per season in Wrigley I bet Pujols or Prince could do it.

[Banedon]

i'm still waiting for somebody to hit the scoreboard with a home run, even though it will probably never happen.

 

 

With about 325 AB per season in Wrigley I bet Pujols or Prince could do it.

 

Sammy couldn't.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You'd have to hit one about 515 feet to dead center (which means not much pull).

 

I won't say "never" but ... yes, I will say it. It will never happen.

[J.R.]

There's more than a couple stadiums whose main scoreboard is off-center, if not straightaway RF or LF.

 

Those parks were not designed with a CF scoreboard in mind. Look at pics of Kauffman Stadium from the period in which a video screen was off to the left from the main board - it looked like crap, an afterthought. They rectified this in the most recent renovation by combining the two.

 

The gradual descent of the bleachers to the left and right of CF and an unobstructed view out is more sacred to me than the old scoreboard itself. This is why I hate the Toyota sign so much - regardless of the sponsor, it is a blight on a wonderful design, a design they strove to preserve in the 2006 renovation.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Does anyone recall exactly what the $300M "renovation" includes outside of the triangle building?

 

Would we be getting a total gutting/virtual rebuild of the grandstand?

 

Not sure exactly what you're looking for, but maybe this helps?

 

http://trianglebuilding.blogspot.com/

 

ugh. promoted by the University of Notre Dame School of Architecture = aka = "this will be traditional and it will trucking suck. welcome to our pompous suck-ass world, ya'll"