Dempster

[Conky]

Demp back on a one year thing is not terrible. Was never a fan of the signing to bring him back last time, but he has performed above expectations. 2.8 WAR for 2011 is respectable considering 2.0 is "average".

 

Are the Cubs/ Theo at the point where they pay a slightly above average starting pitcher 15M a year to be what, a 2 at this point considering currently available options? Looks like it, since Hendry gave Dempster the option. Not a fan of this, but not the worst problem Theo will have to deal with. Demp is nowhere near a 2 at this point but what are the options? Spend huge?

 

Factor in Demp is a good clubhouse guy. (I hate writing that as much as you hate reading it, but it is an intangible). Something that will be needed in somewhat of a transition year, it looks like.

 

Would I like Demp gone/ money cleared if at all possible? Yes. Hell to the yes.

Not happening, I don't think. But it is a thin FA market for pitching. :wink:

 

Work your magic, Theo.

(Damn that feels good to say/ think).

[Magnetic Curses]

just say you like thick onion gravy and be done with it.

[Guest]

Demp back on a one year thing is not terrible. Was never a fan of the signing to bring him back last time, but he has performed above expectations. 2.8 WAR for 2011 is respectable considering 2.0 is "average".

 

Are the Cubs/ Theo at the point where they pay a slightly above average starting pitcher 15M a year to be what, a 2 at this point considering currently available options? Looks like it, since Hendry gave Dempster the option. Not a fan of this, but not the worst problem Theo will have to deal with. Demp is nowhere near a 2 at this point but what are the options? Spend huge?

 

Factor in Demp is a good clubhouse guy. (I hate writing that as much as you hate reading it, but it is an intangible). Something that will be needed in somewhat of a transition year, it looks like.

 

Would I like Demp gone/ money cleared if at all possible? Yes. Hell to the yes.

Not happening, I don't think. But it is a thin FA market for pitching. :wink:

 

Work your magic, Theo.

(Damn that feels good to say/ think).

 

 

FWIW, I think Demp was a bit unlucky last year, too.

[Conky]

just say you like thick onion gravy and be done with it.

 

Still delaying changing that username, I see. Might wanna consider slowing down on the "burns".

 

No onion gravy.

 

 

=D>

[Conky]

Demp back on a one year thing is not terrible. Was never a fan of the signing to bring him back last time, but he has performed above expectations. 2.8 WAR for 2011 is respectable considering 2.0 is "average".

 

Are the Cubs/ Theo at the point where they pay a slightly above average starting pitcher 15M a year to be what, a 2 at this point considering currently available options? Looks like it, since Hendry gave Dempster the option. Not a fan of this, but not the worst problem Theo will have to deal with. Demp is nowhere near a 2 at this point but what are the options? Spend huge?

 

Factor in Demp is a good clubhouse guy. (I hate writing that as much as you hate reading it, but it is an intangible). Something that will be needed in somewhat of a transition year, it looks like.

 

Would I like Demp gone/ money cleared if at all possible? Yes. Hell to the yes.

Not happening, I don't think. But it is a thin FA market for pitching. :wink:

 

Work your magic, Theo.

(Damn that feels good to say/ think).

 

 

I tend to agree. He was on a crappy team. Skews the stats for one season imho. Didn't bother looking up the last 5, but his performance has been well documented here. His BABIP was all over the place. Not a great year in that regard. 15M is a bit much. 10? Sure.

 

FWIW, I think Demp was a bit unlucky last year, too.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=517&playerid2=&playerid3=&position=P&page=7&type=full

Edited October 28, 2011 by Conky

[ScrubMD]

This is why I would be a horrible GM. Since Dempster wants to finish his career here and has been a "good Cub", I wouldn't be able to tell him "we don't want you back".

 

 

There are probably other things that would make me a horrible GM.

[Guest]

just say you like thick onion gravy and be done with it.

 

Come on.

[imb]

whats wrong with thick onion gravy that sounds awesome

[Conky]

just say you like thick onion gravy and be done with it.

 

Come on.

 

It's ok. Once he assumes the Raging Anus persona, all will be right with the world.

Not sure what's up with the continued hazing, but go for it if that's the game.

 

\:D/

[UMFan83]

There is no way Demp doesn't come back unless the Cubs flat out say "don't come back". He just had a quote in the paper about how he wanted to finish his career here if they wanted him to. He loves playing for the Cubs and loves living in Wrigleyville.

 

As Conky said, Dempster was rather unlucky last year. He had a bad year last year but if you take away his April, the last 160 innings of the year he had a 3.94 ERA and 3.59 if you take away his last start where he gave up 9 ER. Add the fact that he will give you 200 innings (has for the last 4 years) and he's not a bad guy to have around.

 

You could do a lot worse with 14 million than Dempster.

[Conky]

There is no way Demp doesn't come back unless the Cubs flat out say "don't come back". He just had a quote in the paper about how he wanted to finish his career here if they wanted him to. He loves playing for the Cubs and loves living in Wrigleyville.

 

As Conky said, Dempster was rather unlucky last year. He had a bad year last year but if you take away his April, the last 160 innings of the year he had a 3.94 ERA and 3.59 if you take away his last start where he gave up 9 ER. Add the fact that he will give you 200 innings (has for the last 4 years) and he's not a bad guy to have around.

 

You could do a lot worse with 14 million than Dempster.

 

The thing that intrigues me, more than 14M for Demp here, or even losing that contract, is the fact that Theo is looking at this and crunching numbers. Has anyone here ever figured out a bell curve for BABIP or WHIP? What exactly IS the average pitcher? Until you know the baseline, it is hard to judge value.

 

Plus:

 

Thick onion gravy.

 

Although, the coolest part of that post was the Long John Silvers hush puppies.

 

Just sayin'

[Magnetic Curses]

answer the question

[Guest]

Seriously, enough.

[wvcbxl]

answer the question

 

The question in this topic is about Ryan Dempster.

[jersey cubs fan]

Factor in Demp is a good clubhouse guy. (I hate writing that as much as you hate reading it, but it is an intangible). Something that will be needed in somewhat of a transition year, it looks like.

 

He has been in the clubhouse for some of the biggest disasters in recent Cubs history so what the hell good is it for him to be one?

[Guest]

answer the question

 

The question in this topic is about Ryan Dempster.

I'm betting heavily that Demstet loves thick onion gravy. I lived next to most of the hockey players (Canadians) when I was an undergrad and they put it on their French fries instead of catsup. And I mean thick.

 

Demp will be back.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Take out the average pitcher's worst month and worst start outside that month, and I bet the average is better than 3.5.

[UMFan83]

Take out the average pitcher's worst month and worst start outside that month, and I bet the average is better than 3.5.

 

Good so Dempster is an average pitcher. I am fine with that.

 

Although, I did this exercise with AJ Burnett, just picked at random and got a 4.05 ERA.

Edited October 28, 2011 by UMFan83

[Guest]

Take out the average pitcher's worst month and worst start outside that month, and I bet the average is better than 3.5.

 

Good so Dempster is an average pitcher. I am fine with that.

 

 

He'd actually be worse than average if that's true. /nitpick

[Brett]

This is why I would be a horrible GM. Since Dempster wants to finish his career here and has been a "good Cub", I wouldn't be able to tell him "we don't want you back".

 

 

There are probably other things that would make me a horrible GM.

 

You sound just like Jim Hendry. Well, except for the self-awareness.

 

(yeah, yeah, Jim Hendry nice guy, yeah yeah...)

[UMFan83]

The average ERA for starters in the AL this year was 4.23. So take Carl Pavano, who had a 4.30 ERA. Erase his July and erase his start of 4 IP 7 ER, which is his wost of the year and he has a 3.50 ERA, so right around where Dempster is.

[Guest]

I hate to say this b/c of the way it sounds. But in the real world nothing gets erased. Also, if every pitcher get to do the same thing it probably leaves Demp in the same spot he's in now.

 

Demps numbers were hurt b/c his manager was more worried about keeping him happy than winning games. If you want take something out, take his ERA after 95 pitches.

[jersey cubs fan]

If you want take something out, YOU TAKE OUT RYAN DEMPSTER WHEN HE'S STRUGGLING TO GET THROUGH THE 6TH WITH 90+ PITCHES AND STARTING TO GIVE UP SOME HARD HIT BALLS ON FREAKING OPENING DAY

[17 Seconds]

"ERA after 95 pitches" sounds like an amazing stat

[UMFan83]

I hate to say this b/c of the way it sounds. But in the real world nothing gets erased. Also, if every pitcher get to do the same thing it probably leaves Demp in the same spot he's in now.

 

Demps numbers were hurt b/c his manager was more worried about keeping him happy than winning games. If you want take something out, take his ERA after 95 pitches.

 

Of course if you take a pitchers 8 worst starts their ERA looks great. I chose to take solace in the fact that 7 of his 8 worst starts were his first 7 starts of the year and for the remaining 160 innings he pitched, he was pretty decent, or at least more in line with his numbers in 2009 and 2010. Perhaps its the beginning of the end for Demp or maybe it was just a bad start to a season hurt even more by Quade's managing.

 

The other thing is that we're talking about ERA which we all know isn't always good at accurately showing how well a pitcher is throwing.