Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

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David Kaplan

@thekapman

 

Hmm. Excellent source just told me that he thinks that the deal for Theo won't get done by tomorrow. We'll see.

[BCVM22]

Groan.

[EpsteinCubs]

David Kaplan

@thekapman

 

Hmm. Excellent source just told me that he thinks that the deal for Theo won't get done by tomorrow. We'll see.

#-o

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The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

[Guest]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

[rocket]

i like how now we live in a world where geovany soto isn't a successful prospect who panned out

[minnesotacubsfan]

i like how now we live in a world where geovany soto isn't a successful prospect who panned out

 

they grow up soooo fast

[Guest]

i like how now we live in a world where geovany soto isn't a successful prospect who panned out

If it wasn't for injuries, we may have been able to tell if Mark Prior would have panned out.

[ScrubMD]

I don't believe asking for McNutt is unreasonable. He had a good season in 2010, then blisters and pulled muscles in 2011. Chances are he never makes it to the big leagues.

How do I put this delicately...

 

 

 

 

drawing a blank.

Put it any way you want. I don't have to win. I just posted that. Just don't violate your own rules like you just did.

 

If you think McNutt or any minor leaguer is more important to the Cubs than Theo, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Someone posted earlier that, that's not the equation. Ok, what is? What is Theo worth to the Cubs? It doesn't matter what is going on in Boston. The Cubs are either going to get him or they are not.

 

Some people act like asking for compensation is beyond the bounds of sanity. It's not.

 

You still haven't figured out it's not Theo vs whatever prospect? Poor guy

Please help me then.

 

Right now it is Theo vs. whatever prospect(s). That's what's on the table. If it's not Theo, the Cubs will have to start over from some point. Maybe they've interviewed other candidates. But who wants to be second in a very public business process?

 

 

Starting over wouldn't mean going through all of this again. Most candidates wouldn't require this mess. I think millions of dollars and a great opportunity would be enough for most to overcome the ego bruise of being the 2nd choice.

[Banedon]

Kaplan's sources said the negotiation was contentious, and that Lucchino was a horrible human, and then Boston's guys reported that everything was civil and moving along well, so who knows.

[Guest]

 

The argument isn't "Is McNutt more valuable than Epstein" its "Why give up McNutt when we believe we can negotiate trading a lesser prospect?"

But what if the Cubs can't? I don't know what's going on and since no news has come out, let's take it as far as it can go because this is so much fun.

 

What if Boston is holding firm and McNutt is the centerpiece of the deal? Then what?

 

Is it worth it to the Ricketts family to have their first major hire fall through and have to hire some second fiddle person who may be like minded?

 

Is it worth it to the Ricketts family to not get the only guy they seemed to have focused on b/c they didn't want to give up a midlevel (not talent, AA player) prospect with potential?

 

How will this all look and what will it do to their long term plans with Wrigley?

 

Forget about Boston. They are on fire and nothing is going to help put it out right now, only time and success will. Theo isn't coming back to them. As I wrote earlier, Boston's already lost no matter what happens or who they can pry away from the Cubs.

 

It's all hypothetical, so there is no right answer.

[Hollandsworths mug]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

 

A double A minor league prospect for a guy who has a solid model on how to win and win consistently is not a high price to pay. High ceiling guy or not.

[Brett]

Kaplan's sources said the negotiation was contentious, and that Lucchino was a horrible human, and then Boston's guys reported that everything was civil and moving along well, so who knows.

 

If I'm Boston, now would be a great time to "leak" that a deal won't get done by tomorrow. I could take the Cubs' temperature, gauge fan reaction, and hope that the leverage swings in our favor when everyone screams, "OMG NO!!!1!!!!11!!! GIVE THEM MCNUTT!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!1!!!"

 

I'm still not worried. Yet.

[C.C.]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

 

Good god yes!

[Banedon]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

 

A double A minor league prospect for a guy who has a solid model on how to win and win consistently is not a high price to pay. High ceiling guy or not.

 

Again, not the point. The point is that if you don't have to lose the double A minor league prospect with a high ceiling, why would you choose to?

[Guest]

Kaplan's sources said the negotiation was contentious, and that Lucchino was a horrible human, and then Boston's guys reported that everything was civil and moving along well, so who knows.

 

 

Could easily be that Boston's side thinks it's civil because they're the insane ones being unreasonable and we think they're insane and unreasonable, so our side says such.

 

Or it might not be.

[Banedon]

Kaplan's sources said the negotiation was contentious, and that Lucchino was a horrible human, and then Boston's guys reported that everything was civil and moving along well, so who knows.

 

 

Could easily be that Boston's side thinks it's civil because they're the insane ones being unreasonable and we think they're insane and unreasonable, so our side says such.

 

Or it might not be.

 

Sure. That's why all these reports are so useless. There's no way to wade through them to anything meaningful. It being done by the end of the day tomorrow makes the most logical sense. Boston doesn't wanna have to wait through the WS to begin their manager search.

 

It'll probably happen after 3:30 tomorrow, cuz that's when I'll be home playing Arkham City, so that's naturally when the news will come out.

[Tracer Bullet]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

 

Make it $10,000. You underestimate how much people hate and suck at negotiating.

[ScrubMD]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

 

Because it's not about their relative value. It's about the fact that we have no reason to give up that much value, so we shouldn't.

 

 

If you know you can buy a car for $25,000... are you going to throw them an extra $1000 just to avoid the headache of negotiating it down?

 

A double A minor league prospect for a guy who has a solid model on how to win and win consistently is not a high price to pay. High ceiling guy or not.

 

I heard that sometimes minor leaguers DON'T EVEN PAN OUT! I say clear out the farm.

 

Corey Patterson, ya know? LoL

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Again, not the point. The point is that if you don't have to lose the double A minor league prospect with a high ceiling, why would you choose to?

 

 

Never said we should. But if that's what it takes to make the deal, so be it. I wonder how many people would be happy if Vitters were included.

[Laura]

Boston Globe:

 

CHICAGO - A person with knowledge of the Theo Epstein compensation negotiations said that talks have been ongoing, but he wouldn't characterize anything as "close" at this hour.

 

The Red Sox and Cubs started very different vantage points when they began their negotiations last week - the Cubs trying to settle it with cash while the Red Sox said they didn't need the money, they wanted players.

 

The Cubs don't have a lot of them, so there are three or four names that are being discussed. One is righthander Trey McNutt, Chicago's best pitching prospect. This is what the Red Sox need as they are depleted with prospects at the Double-A, Triple-A level.

 

While both sides would lobe to get this done before the first World Series pitch is thrown Wednesday in St. Louis, there's not deadline per se. According to a league source both sides can impose their own deadlines, but normally the process doesn't go beyond 14 days.

 

As of last night, neither side had any idea how this was going to turn out, whether Epstein would join the Cubs or whether he returned to Boston. Today there seemed more of a feeling that something would be hashed out.

 

The sides could continue working through the World Series if they had to and Epstein could always be introduced after the World Series and sometime around Halloween.

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Can't miss kid.

 

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[Vinestal]

man, what is this thread going to turn into if nothing gets done and the World Series starts? More WuTang clang lyrics? I think the Cubs should give them a piece of paper with the names of players they are comfortable giving up, say pick 2 and be done with it. If they don't like the list then to Hell with them.

[ctcf]

In the event this doesn't get resolved before the World Series, I vote we lock this thread and not re-open it until actual substantive news becomes available.

[Guest]

The fact remains is that McNutt has seen his ERA climb to 4.72 in AA ball. Seriously, he's talented but not worth more than a competent GM/President.

 

I give up.

 

Because I do not think the world ends if we give up McNutt?

 

Maybe after we give up McNutt we can call Castro up and see if he'd be okay with a 10 million dollar salary for next year. Perhaps Garza would be agreeable to a 2/30 deal as well.