Levine: Hendry secure but firesale could begin

[C.C.]

I don't know whether this has been posted, but according to Boers & Bernstein, each of their sources are telling them that Mike Quade is nearly 100% certain to be gone after this season. They also discussed that Jim Hendry may have survived another season if not for Quade's performance, but there is no way the Cubs will allow Hendry to hire a 4th manager, so it is extremely likely that the Cubs will be starting fresh next season (once again with the possible exception of Crane Kenney on the business side)

 

Duh! I would be shocked if Hendry and Quade are here next year.

 

and Ryno is gonna be our next manager. Book it!

 

I would be surprised if a new GM comes in and the first thing he does to put his imprint on the team is hire Ryne Sandberg as manager.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandberg is hired before a GM. It makes sense just on marketability and I'm guessing the majority wants him.

[Backtobanks]

Beside rent-a-players like Fukudome and Pena, Baker is one of the few guys we have that other teams actually want, and could overpay for. I know theres a big ? at 3B next year, but if they just sign Aramis, it will be erased. Even if we don't, just let Vitters, DeWitt, Flaherty, LeMahiue, and Smith battle it out. I like what Bakers done for us for cheap, but we've seen far too many guys who made great backups and utility players flounder when they tried to make them everyday players. I cant see Baker ending up any better than Fontenot if made an everyday player, and our system has enough guys who could be utility middle infielders next year that if anyone shows interest in Baker, we should be listening very intently. Its BS that we have 2 guys in Wood and Baker that teams could be willing to overpay for and we dont want to move them for one year or another. But for the record, the source of this report is Ken Rosenthal, so, um, yeah.

 

To be useful next year, Baker wouldn't have to be an everyday starter. He'd just have to be the right handed side of a platoon at either 2nd or 3rd (isn't Flaherty a lefty?). That's his best role and one he could thrive in.

 

Also, I'm not sold that Baker would garner that much interest in trade. A team with a pressing need for right handed power might overpay, but it was just a couple of years ago that we got Baker for Al Albuqerque, a nice reliever now but a lightly regarded prospect at the time. Baker's done more since the Cubs acquired him, but he's still the same basic player he was then - a power bat against lefties, bad against righties and a couple years older.

 

Right, WSR is again vastly overrating a Cubs player when it comes to what they're likely get in return for a trade. Obviously, if there's a good offer out there, go for it, but Baker has relatively limited use that arguably is more valuable for the Cubs next year than shipping him off. Re-signing Aramis is a big if, and just assuming that it'll get done is foolish.

 

Baker certainly wouldn't get us much especially since Kepppinger is being actively shopped.

[Guest]

What GM is going to want to come in to a new manager that he didn't pick? Sandberg is not that hot a commodity, nor would he provide that much of a marketing/ticket sales bump to justify hiring him and then hiring a GM.

[XZero771679666304]

What GM is going to want to come in to a new manager that he didn't pick? Sandberg is not that hot a commodity, nor would he provide that much of a marketing/ticket sales bump to justify hiring him and then hiring a GM.

 

This. The prospect of being saddled with a owner's manager would have to be a turn off for potential GM candidates. Ricketts let Hendry install Quade when everyone was expecting Ryno and he (Ricketts) obviously preferred him, so why would he change now?

[Irrelevant Dude]

I don't know whether this has been posted, but according to Boers & Bernstein, each of their sources are telling them that Mike Quade is nearly 100% certain to be gone after this season. They also discussed that Jim Hendry may have survived another season if not for Quade's performance, but there is no way the Cubs will allow Hendry to hire a 4th manager, so it is extremely likely that the Cubs will be starting fresh next season (once again with the possible exception of Crane Kenney on the business side)

 

quade's performance? he was given a mediocre roster that suffered a lot of injuries, so they turned into a downright bad team. granted, quade has managed those bad players poorly, but i really hope they weren't pinning this poor year on mike quade. the guy just doesn't matter that much.

 

Yeah, I really don't care if Quade came back for his final year, but if him getting the boot means that Hendry would be gone, well, then it's bye-bye Mike.

Exactly. I think Quade has done a terrible job of managing, but a majority of the blame still lies on Hendry.

[javy knows my name]

What GM is going to want to come in to a new manager that he didn't pick? Sandberg is not that hot a commodity, nor would he provide that much of a marketing/ticket sales bump to justify hiring him and then hiring a GM.

 

This. The prospect of being saddled with a owner's manager would have to be a turn off for potential GM candidates. Ricketts let Hendry install Quade when everyone was expecting Ryno and he (Ricketts) obviously preferred him, so why would he change now?

 

I don't think you're wrong, but what is the evidence of this?

[Tracer Bullet]

http://www.fortheartofit.com/storage/Red-October-Quade.jpg

 

this is terrible in so many ways.

[Tracer Bullet]

I don't know whether this has been posted, but according to Boers & Bernstein, each of their sources are telling them that Mike Quade is nearly 100% certain to be gone after this season. They also discussed that Jim Hendry may have survived another season if not for Quade's performance, but there is no way the Cubs will allow Hendry to hire a 4th manager, so it is extremely likely that the Cubs will be starting fresh next season (once again with the possible exception of Crane Kenney on the business side)

 

Duh! I would be shocked if Hendry and Quade are here next year.

 

and Ryno is gonna be our next manager. Book it!

 

I would be surprised if a new GM comes in and the first thing he does to put his imprint on the team is hire Ryne Sandberg as manager.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandberg is hired before a GM. It makes sense just on marketability and I'm guessing the majority wants him.

 

marketability? to cubs fans? the people that would want ryno as manager are the people who are going to buy tickets no matter how bad the team is. these are not rational people.

 

and the majority of what wants him? the owners? the fanbase? the players?

 

finally, hiring a manager before a gm makes very little sense, esp when the manager was turned down for the job just last year and has done nothing in the interim to improve his candidacy. this isn't torre or larussa or some other guy that baseball people think walks on water.

[questionmarkgrace]

I don't know whether this has been posted, but according to Boers & Bernstein, each of their sources are telling them that Mike Quade is nearly 100% certain to be gone after this season. They also discussed that Jim Hendry may have survived another season if not for Quade's performance, but there is no way the Cubs will allow Hendry to hire a 4th manager, so it is extremely likely that the Cubs will be starting fresh next season (once again with the possible exception of Crane Kenney on the business side)

 

Duh! I would be shocked if Hendry and Quade are here next year.

 

and Ryno is gonna be our next manager. Book it!

 

I would be surprised if a new GM comes in and the first thing he does to put his imprint on the team is hire Ryne Sandberg as manager.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandberg is hired before a GM. It makes sense just on marketability and I'm guessing the majority wants him.

 

marketability? to cubs fans? the people that would want ryno as manager are the people who are going to buy tickets no matter how bad the team is. these are not rational people.

 

and the majority of what wants him? the owners? the fanbase? the players?

 

finally, hiring a manager before a gm makes very little sense, esp when the manager was turned down for the job just last year and has done nothing in the interim to improve his candidacy. this isn't torre or larussa or some other guy that baseball people think walks on water.

 

He's got Leigh Valley with the second best record in the international league and is on his way to 4 winning seasons out of his first 5 managing. Whether that is an improvement, I dont know. But its not like Sandberg has done anything to hurt himself.

[TruffleShuffle]

http://www.fortheartofit.com/storage/Red-October-Quade.jpg

 

this is terrible in so many ways.

 

quade looks like a lunatic serial killer (well even moreso than usual)

[idakepps]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

[Tracer Bullet]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sandberg is hired before a GM. It makes sense just on marketability and I'm guessing the majority wants him.

 

marketability? to cubs fans? the people that would want ryno as manager are the people who are going to buy tickets no matter how bad the team is. these are not rational people.

 

and the majority of what wants him? the owners? the fanbase? the players?

 

finally, hiring a manager before a gm makes very little sense, esp when the manager was turned down for the job just last year and has done nothing in the interim to improve his candidacy. this isn't torre or larussa or some other guy that baseball people think walks on water.

 

He's got Leigh Valley with the second best record in the international league and is on his way to 4 winning seasons out of his first 5 managing. Whether that is an improvement, I dont know. But its not like Sandberg has done anything to hurt himself.

 

sorry, add "significantly" before "improve" - point being, he's not a guy you hire as manager as soon as he becomes available, regardless of the fact that your gm is about to be replaced.

[dew1679666265]

sorry, add "significantly" before "improve" - point being, he's not a guy you hire as manager as soon as he becomes available, regardless of the fact that your gm is about to be replaced.

 

Yeah, it seems if Ricketts were so desperate to hire Sandberg, he'd have done it this past offseason. It seems more logical to force a manager on an existing GM on the hot seat than a brand new guy - not that I think Ricketts is the type of owner to force a manager on his GM.

[SouthSideRyan]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

[JimSorgi]

http://www.fortheartofit.com/storage/Red-October-Quade.jpg

 

this is terrible in so many ways.

I thought we were all just going to pretend that post never happened.

[TruffleShuffle]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

 

according to wikipedia he's from houston. that's the only reason they'd have any shot, i think.

 

that being said, he's gotta be a hot commodity and if he wants to move on from tampa, one would think there are higher-profile positions that will be open. not to mention that the astros are a bad team with a moribund farm system.

[SouthSideRyan]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

 

according to wikipedia he's from houston. that's the only reason they'd have any shot, i think.

 

that being said, he's gotta be a hot commodity and if he wants to move on from tampa, one would think there are higher-profile positions that will be open. not to mention that the astros are a bad team with a moribund farm system.

 

And their next owner isn't going to spend any money.

[Illini Iceman]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

 

according to wikipedia he's from houston. that's the only reason they'd have any shot, i think.

 

that being said, he's gotta be a hot commodity and if he wants to move on from tampa, one would think there are higher-profile positions that will be open. not to mention that the astros are a bad team with a moribund farm system.

 

Freidman has a lot of loyalty to Silverman and Sternberg and I would be shocked if he left the organization. The only way I see him considering it is if Sternberg confides to him that he is going to make a run at buying the Mets and gives his blessing for him to pursue another job since he might be selling the team anyway.

[Brett]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

 

according to wikipedia he's from houston. that's the only reason they'd have any shot, i think.

 

that being said, he's gotta be a hot commodity and if he wants to move on from tampa, one would think there are higher-profile positions that will be open. not to mention that the astros are a bad team with a moribund farm system.

 

And their next owner isn't going to spend any money.

 

While I agree with the sentiment (Friedman seems unlikely to head to Houston), ownership not spending money wouldn't be anything new to him.

 

Separately, I can't think of too many "small market" type GMs who've had success transition to a big market, big money club. I'm not saying they don't exist, but only the disastrous ones (like Minaya) are coming to mind.

[SouthSideRyan]

Article from a Astros beat writer saying he thinks Andrew Friedman will be the next GM of that team.

 

I'll bet 100 million dollars he will not be the Astros GM in 2012

 

according to wikipedia he's from houston. that's the only reason they'd have any shot, i think.

 

that being said, he's gotta be a hot commodity and if he wants to move on from tampa, one would think there are higher-profile positions that will be open. not to mention that the astros are a bad team with a moribund farm system.

 

And their next owner isn't going to spend any money.

 

While I agree with the sentiment (Friedman seems unlikely to head to Houston), ownership not spending money wouldn't be anything new to him.

 

Separately, I can't think of too many "small market" type GMs who've had success transition to a big market, big money club. I'm not saying they don't exist, but only the disastrous ones (like Minaya) are coming to mind.

 

The point is seemingly the only negative to Tampa is that they won't spend big money. So to remedy this, he's going to head to the biggest [expletive] organization in baseball that also won't spend money??

[Hawk4Hall]

Would Sandberg really want the job if offered after how it went down last year? Wasn't he pretty ticked off that he wasn't hired? I know he wants to manage but I don't know if he'd come back to the organization after getting passed over.

 

Quade should have never been hired in the 1st place. I'm not saying Sandberg is the savior, but it's clear that the Cubs went on the cheap and thought the end of last season with Quade in charge was a glimpse into the future. So many things worked against Quade. Hendry, injuries, and slow starts. Then throw in some strange managing decisions by Quade (letting Hill hit at the end of a game, not pulling Marmol...those are recent things) and there you have it.

 

I don't know what the Cubs should do but they need to just blow it up and start over. A new GM and a new manager after the season would be a good start.

 

All I know is what's out there now and in the front office isn't working.

[SouthSideRyan]

I hope they don't hire Sandberg because it would signal to me that the "change in direction" isn't a change in direction at all.

[dew1679666265]

Would Sandberg really want the job if offered after how it went down last year? Wasn't he pretty ticked off that he wasn't hired? I know he wants to manage but I don't know if he'd come back to the organization after getting passed over.

 

He did seem pretty ticked off, but I think he'd take the job if offered. It's not like teams are clamoring for his services at the moment - considering he couldn't get a managerial job last year - and he really wants to be a manager. If somebody else came to offer him along with the Cubs, I could see him taking the other offer. But if it's Cubs major league or anybody's minor league (as it was last year), I'd imagine he'd take the Cubs job.

[seanhopper]

Would Sandberg really want the job if offered after how it went down last year? Wasn't he pretty ticked off that he wasn't hired? I know he wants to manage but I don't know if he'd come back to the organization after getting passed over.

 

He did seem pretty ticked off, but I think he'd take the job if offered. It's not like teams are clamoring for his services at the moment - considering he couldn't get a managerial job last year - and he really wants to be a manager. If somebody else came to offer him along with the Cubs, I could see him taking the other offer. But if it's Cubs major league or anybody's minor league (as it was last year), I'd imagine he'd take the Cubs job.

 

From everything I heard (and was told by a person in the organization) was that Hendry wanted to hire Eric Wedge initially. He was really set on him, but the organization felt Quade deserved it after the run the Cubs had at the end of the season. Hendry actually was relieved in a way that he didn't have to turn Sandberg down by hiring someone from outside the organization. I don't believe the next hire will be Hendry's to make--but overall I don't believe Sandberg has (at least he did not have) a lot of believers in his ability to manage throughout MLB.

[dfnowak]

Would Sandberg really want the job if offered after how it went down last year? Wasn't he pretty ticked off that he wasn't hired? I know he wants to manage but I don't know if he'd come back to the organization after getting passed over.

 

He did seem pretty ticked off, but I think he'd take the job if offered. It's not like teams are clamoring for his services at the moment - considering he couldn't get a managerial job last year - and he really wants to be a manager. If somebody else came to offer him along with the Cubs, I could see him taking the other offer. But if it's Cubs major league or anybody's minor league (as it was last year), I'd imagine he'd take the Cubs job.

 

From everything I heard (and was told by a person in the organization) was that Hendry wanted to hire Eric Wedge initially. He was really set on him, but the organization felt Quade deserved it after the run the Cubs had at the end of the season. Hendry actually was relieved in a way that he didn't have to turn Sandberg down by hiring someone from outside the organization. I don't believe the next hire will be Hendry's to make--but overall I don't believe Sandberg has (at least he did not have) a lot of believers in his ability to manage throughout MLB.

 

Exactly. Tell me how many interviews did Sandberg get w/ other teams? Of course, the same can be said of Quade.