Ravech: Doesnt expect to see Hendry next year

[Dallas Green]

Baseball Tonight's Karl Ravech thinks Hendry gone, and says Cubs should look at Toronto as well as Boston for models

 

 

 

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/cubs-insider/2011/06/interview-baseball-tonights-karl-ravech.html

[Guest]

Why on earth would we look to Toronto as a model?

[davearm2]

Well Toronto has done an amazing job of shedding contracts at least.

[Guest]

Well Toronto has done an amazing job of shedding contracts at least.

lol - ok. I concede that we should look to them as a model for how to dump Soriano.

[Guest]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

[Dallas Green]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

 

Anytime he wants to start would be great with me

[davearm2]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Doesn't every team that's vaguely large market want to emulate Boston? I mean since you can't be NYY, then might as well aim for BOS.

[Dallas Green]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Doesn't every team that's vaguely large market want to emulate Boston? I mean since you can't be NYY, then might as well aim for BOS.

 

Sadly enough, I would like to emulate Milwaukee right about now

[Guest]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Doesn't every team that's vaguely large market want to emulate Boston? I mean since you can't be NYY, then might as well aim for BOS.

I don't think I've ever heard Kenny Williams say anything like that. Or Detroit or the Mets.

[Outshined_One]

Why on earth would we look to Toronto as a model?

 

We've already put Wilken to good use, so there's that Toronto connection. Can't say I know much about Alex Anthopoulos and how he runs the team, aside from shedding Vernon Wells' contract and getting reasonably good returns on some trades.

 

*Shrug*

[XZero771679666304]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Doesn't every team that's vaguely large market want to emulate Boston? I mean since you can't be NYY, then might as well aim for BOS.

 

Sadly enough, I would like to emulate Milwaukee right about now

 

You mean you'd like to see the Cubs purge their farm system in a desperate attempt to cash in at least once before all their big league talent bails? Milwaukee had one of the best farm systems a few years ago, and now it's virtually barren.

 

Besides, Milwaukee and Chicago are two very dissimilar markets, requiring two different approaches.

 

I really think Boston is the best example to emulate. What should make us really angry is how much of an untapped gold mine the Cubs franchise is, and how neglected it has been. I see signs the Ricketts see that and are taking the long view of this thing. We can easily be a NYY/BOS type powerhouse.

[Hawk4Hall]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

[javy knows my name]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Not a single word of this post is accurate

[Dallas Green]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Doesn't every team that's vaguely large market want to emulate Boston? I mean since you can't be NYY, then might as well aim for BOS.

 

Sadly enough, I would like to emulate Milwaukee right about now

 

You mean you'd like to see the Cubs purge their farm system in a desperate attempt to cash in at least once before all their big league talent bails? Milwaukee had one of the best farm systems a few years ago, and now it's virtually barren.

 

Besides, Milwaukee and Chicago are two very dissimilar markets, requiring two different approaches.

 

I really think Boston is the best example to emulate. What should make us really angry is how much of an untapped gold mine the Cubs franchise is, and how neglected it has been. I see signs the Ricketts see that and are taking the long view of this thing. We can easily be a NYY/BOS type powerhouse.

 

I know I was kidding

[Hawk4Hall]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Not a single word of this post is accurate

Then break it down and show me where the prospects are outside Jackson and Vitters (who isn't doing much).

 

Show me how Garza isn't just pitching average overall. Was Archer not one of the top Cubs prospects?

 

Tell me why Ricketts saying they don't need Fielder or Albert at 1st next year.

 

 

Hendry gone won't help the Cubs?

Why are rookies going to make the Cubs better going forward? Have you been impressed with guys outside Barney as everyday players?

Edited June 15, 2011 by Hawk4Hall

[XZero771679666304]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Garza has actually been really good. It doesn't reflect in the w-l, but that's an irrelevant statistic for player.

 

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

[Hawk4Hall]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Garza has actually been really good. It doesn't reflect in the w-l, but that's an irrelevant statistic for player.

 

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

Garza's ERA isn't great. It's not terrible, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't dislike Garza I just don't think that trade was the best considering what was given up.

 

Guys are going to come off the books next year (Aram, and Fukudome) so they will have cash. I see no problem with going after Fielder and trying. Ricketts seems to say he won't even try.

 

Pena won't be back and Colvin is struggling. I don't think Baker is the solution at 1st since he's needed as a platoon guy. Not sure what the options would be inhouse. Call up LaHair? No thanks.

[Sammy Sofa]

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

 

Actually, it's very feasible given the FA available after this season and 2012. There's nothing wrong with a big money team like the Cubs "throwing cash" at FA. The key is usually throwing it at the right FA instead of usually overpaying for middling talent.

[javy knows my name]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Not a single word of this post is accurate

Then break it down and show me where the prospects are outside Jackson and Vitters (who isn't doing much).

 

Show me how Garza isn't just pitching average overall. Was Archer not one of the top Cubs prospects?

 

Tell me why Ricketts saying they don't need Fielder or Albert at 1st next year.

 

 

Hendry gone won't help the Cubs?

Why are rookies going to make the Cubs better going forward? Have you been impressed with guys outside Barney as everyday players?

 

I can't navigate baseball reference like some. I remember TT posted that Garza was top-3 in WAR as of a couple weeks ago. Archer is struggling mightily with what he'd been struggling with until he put it together all of a sudden last year - he's walking everybody, and it looks like we sold damn high on him. Meanwhile, Garza is one of the best pitchers in baseball and cost-controlled for 3 of his prime years.

 

McNutt, Ha, Szczur round out the top 5. With Whitenack on the periphery (and on the mend) and a pretty awesome draft coming in. Recently, we've produced Marmol, Marshall, Theriot and Soto from our farm. It's been right about average.

 

When did Ricketts say we didn't need Pujols or Fielder next year? You're making that up.

 

We need to maintain a good balance between acquiring free agents and developing talent from within. It sounds like you're advocating selling prospects for guys who can help right now. In a completely lost year. Just no.

 

How's that?

[Dallas Green]

Ravech did make mention of the Boston tree, are they guys there now worth looking at Cherrington?

[XZero771679666304]

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

 

Actually, it's very feasible given the FA available after this season and 2012. There's nothing wrong with a big money team like the Cubs "throwing cash" at FA. The key is usually throwing it at the right FA instead of usually overpaying for middling talent.

 

I was more addressing my impression that some people think that's what should have been done day one of the Ricketts regime and angst over unrealistic expectations over where people think we should be right now. Coming in and just throwing money at the problem in 2009 would have been neither prudent or particularly effective.

 

I agree with you, bringing in a few quality FAs (ones that fit) and putting the rest of the money into player development is the way to go. I see the latter going on now, with Ricketts telling Wilken & Co. to draft without regard for signability, and their activity in the Caribbean and Asia.

 

We can compete next year, for sure. Sign one of the big name 1B and build around them. But we're not going to become a franchise on par with Boston for a while, until the ball has been rolling on all fronts for a while.

[javy knows my name]

btw - in his opening press conference and several times since then, Ricketts has called out Boston as the example he wants to use for building the franchise.

Too bad the Cubs minor league system has been broke for some time.

 

The prospects to choose from are pretty bleak. They have a LONG way to go to get to the Red Sox level.

 

Oh...and some good talent was shipped for Garza (who's been pretty average so far).

 

Hendry gone may help but I am not a fan of how Ricketts wants to improve this team. They need free agents at this point. Not rookies.

 

Garza has actually been really good. It doesn't reflect in the w-l, but that's an irrelevant statistic for player.

 

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

Garza's ERA isn't great. It's not terrible, but it's nothing spectacular. I don't dislike Garza I just don't think that trade was the best considering what was given up.

 

Guys are going to come off the books next year (Aram, and Fukudome) so they will have cash. I see no problem with going after Fielder and trying. Ricketts seems to say he won't even try.

 

Pena won't be back and Colvin is struggling. I don't think Baker is the solution at 1st since he's needed as a platoon guy. Not sure what the options would be inhouse. Call up LaHair? No thanks.

 

ERA is a pretty bad way to judge Garza's performance. He doesn't walk guys or give up HRs, and he's given up way more runs than he should given the peripherals. A good reason for that is our below-average infield defense. Look at his xFIP, which tries to control that variable. It's pretty damn outstanding.

 

Again, you're making up that Ricketts is saying he won't even try. Please stop. I would be floored if Ricketts was thinking that we could solve our 1B problem in-house. No one is taking about moving Baker there or bringing up [expletive] LaHair. This is a bad strawman.

Edited June 15, 2011 by Castro's Spray Chart

[Sammy Sofa]

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

 

Actually, it's very feasible given the FA available after this season and 2012. There's nothing wrong with a big money team like the Cubs "throwing cash" at FA. The key is usually throwing it at the right FA instead of usually overpaying for middling talent.

 

I was more addressing my impression that some people think that's what should have been done day one of the Ricketts regime and angst over unrealistic expectations over where people think we should be right now. Coming in and just throwing money at the problem in 2009 would have been neither prudent or particularly effective.

 

Ah, gotcha. I agree.

[Little Slide Rooter]

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

 

Actually, it's very feasible given the FA available after this season and 2012. There's nothing wrong with a big money team like the Cubs "throwing cash" at FA. The key is usually throwing it at the right FA instead of usually overpaying for middling talent.

 

I was more addressing my impression that some people think that's what should have been done day one of the Ricketts regime and angst over unrealistic expectations over where people think we should be right now. Coming in and just throwing money at the problem in 2009 would have been neither prudent or particularly effective.

 

Ah, gotcha. I agree.

 

I don't think anybody's suggesting a 06-07 overhaul, but I would definitely like one of Pujols or Fielder, possibly see if we can buy low and get lucky with someone like Ben Sheets or Scott Kazmir for cheap and maybe trade for Mark Reynolds. If we can get lucky enough to move Soriano, great. I don't see it happening though, but he's still likely to OPS in the. .800s and hit 20-25 HR so if were going to pay him 20mil to do it, it should be for us. What I am strongly against, however is throwing any money at reserve outfielders, utility infielders, and backup catchers as we have more than enough of that on the farm.

[UMFan83]

And simply coming in a throwing a ton of cash at a bunch of FAs might make some people feel better for a while, but it's the sort of nearsighted, reactionary thing a fan would do if they were in charge. It's the sort of thing that got us in this mess. We want this thing turned around in a season or two, but that's just not feasible, particularly given the state of affairs when they took over.

 

Actually, it's very feasible given the FA available after this season and 2012. There's nothing wrong with a big money team like the Cubs "throwing cash" at FA. The key is usually throwing it at the right FA instead of usually overpaying for middling talent.

 

Like Julio Lugo, John Lackey, JD Drew and Marco Scutaro?