Cubs Ruined Ryan Theriot

[Formerly Snayke]

According to Ryan Theriot:

 

Three years ago, Theriot enjoyed an excellent season as the leadoff man for a Cubs team that won 97 games. He drew 73 walks against just 58 strikeouts while posting a very spiffy .387 on-base percentage. He only tallied 24 extra-base hits all year, but on a power-laden team, that wasn't his job. Theriot got on base and scored runs. It's what he was asked to do, and he did it well.

 

Going into '09, though, Theriot says he was asked to be something different. The Cubs wanted him to swing away more, put away his patience in favor of hitting the ball farther. He did the first part -- drawing 22 fewer walks and striking out 35 more times. He did hit for a little more power, but not enough to make up for how much less often he was getting on base. Theriot became a less effective offensive player, and in 2010 it just got worse.

 

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110314&content_id=16948822&vkey=news_stl&c_id=stl

[Guest]

Also, teams realized that you can pound the strike zone against Theriot, because he can't punish you at all for it. More pitches in the zone mean more XBH, more K's, and fewer walks. Unfortunately, those three came in a pretty negative proportion for Theriot, and his downright horrific performance as a Dodger doesn't exactly corroborate his story either.

[Sammy Sofa]

What a little turd.

[SouthSideRyan]

Did they make him wear those shirts too?

[javy knows my name]

What a little turd.

 

He's an HM for top-5 most punchable at this point. He'll make it if he does anything good for the Cards.

[MWV]

Other than giving him several (largely undeserved) seasons to establish himself as a full-time SS at the Major League level, what did the Cubs org. do to piss off Ryan Theriot? Or is he really just that interested in pandering to STL media?

Maybe someday he'll be able to pick up the pieces and post a .700+ OPS again.

[BeerHere]

Other than giving him several (largely undeserved) seasons to establish himself as a full-time SS at the Major League level, what did the Cubs org. do to piss off Ryan Theriot? Or is he really just that interested in pandering to STL media?

Maybe someday he'll be able to pick up the pieces and post a .700+ OPS again.

 

I would guess that being pushed to 2B and traded to LA in the same season did him in. However, I do think that he is pandering the meatball fans as well.

[CubmanPi]

The arbitration probably didn't help his sentiments toward the club either.

[MWV]

Other than giving him several (largely undeserved) seasons to establish himself as a full-time SS at the Major League level, what did the Cubs org. do to piss off Ryan Theriot? Or is he really just that interested in pandering to STL media?

Maybe someday he'll be able to pick up the pieces and post a .700+ OPS again.

 

I would guess that being pushed to 2B and traded to LA in the same season did him in. However, I do think that he is pandering the meatball fans as well.

Why would he be upset about being traded from the team that ruined his plate approach, has awful relief pitching and suffers from an organization-wide apathy towards winning? Did I miss anything?

[Guest]

Yeah, 'cause when I look at Theriot, I see a frame built for pounding the ball into the gaps and over the fence. :roll:

[daske17]

Considering Lou barely knew he was on the roster, I don't see anyone taking a vested interest in having Theriot change his approach to hitting.

[Keener98]

Considering Lou barely knew he was on the roster, I don't see anyone taking a vested interest in having Theriot change his approach to hitting.

 

Huh? Lou penciled him into the top of the lineup almost every day when he had no business being there. He was one of Lou's pets

[BeerHere]

Other than giving him several (largely undeserved) seasons to establish himself as a full-time SS at the Major League level, what did the Cubs org. do to piss off Ryan Theriot? Or is he really just that interested in pandering to STL media?

Maybe someday he'll be able to pick up the pieces and post a .700+ OPS again.

 

I would guess that being pushed to 2B and traded to LA in the same season did him in. However, I do think that he is pandering the meatball fans as well.

Why would he be upset about being traded from the team that ruined his plate approach, has awful relief pitching and suffers from an organization-wide apathy towards winning? Did I miss anything?

You haven't missed anything. I am speculating about why he has suddenly become the anti-cub. If I had to guess, I would think that he played it off as "the good teammate" when he was pushed to 2B for a rookie then got pissed when he was traded away. Not saying that I agree with him or anything, I'm glad he's gone quite frankly.

[shnsajax]

Theriot made me want to inject every other player with roids just so I don't have to watch more gritty pieces of [expletive] slug under .300.

[Derwood]

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[MWV]

Other than giving him several (largely undeserved) seasons to establish himself as a full-time SS at the Major League level, what did the Cubs org. do to piss off Ryan Theriot? Or is he really just that interested in pandering to STL media?

Maybe someday he'll be able to pick up the pieces and post a .700+ OPS again.

 

I would guess that being pushed to 2B and traded to LA in the same season did him in. However, I do think that he is pandering the meatball fans as well.

Why would he be upset about being traded from the team that ruined his plate approach, has awful relief pitching and suffers from an organization-wide apathy towards winning? Did I miss anything?

You haven't missed anything. I am speculating about why he has suddenly become the anti-cub. If I had to guess, I would think that he played it off as "the good teammate" when he was pushed to 2B for a rookie then got pissed when he was traded away. Not saying that I agree with him or anything, I'm glad he's gone quite frankly.

Sorry, I didn't intend to argue your post. I really just find Theriot's attitude toward the Cubs very puzzling. He's a thoroughly mediocre middle IFer who was given an opportunity to play every day and hit near the top of the order (for whatever reason) on 2 division winning teams. There's a decent chance he spends his entire career as a utility/bench player were it not for the Cubs desperation to replace Izturiz. I don't expect him to sing the org.'s praises; its just odd that he consistently goes out of his way to trash them. Oh well. At least he's gone.

[daske17]

Considering Lou barely knew he was on the roster, I don't see anyone taking a vested interest in having Theriot change his approach to hitting.

 

Huh? Lou penciled him into the top of the lineup almost every day when he had no business being there. He was one of Lou's pets

 

Yeah, but he had no idea how Theriot was performing. Remember he was shocked that Ryan hadn't taken a walk in over a month?

 

Given the way last season played out, I'm pretty sure Lou just put in the previous day's lineup with no forethought.

[BeerHere]

What I found more disturbing were the comments made by Wellemeyer when he rejoined the Cubs organization. I don't have a quote but it was something along the lines of "They (Cardinals) are a top notch organization. They work extremely hard from top to bottom. They prepare better than anyone and expect to succeed". I am highly paraphrasing but it was disturbing coming from Welly considering that he came up with the Cubs. He is implying (intended or not) that the Cubs don't prepare as well or work as hard. Nor (it seems) do they expect to succeed.

[Mark Priors Calves]

more like theriot ruined the cubs

[davell]

Theriot is just a classic case of thinking he's much better than what he actually is. What he doesn't see is he's a stopgap and that every team has a Ryan Theriot sitting somewhere down in their farm system. What's funny though, like someone else mentioned earlier, is I DO think he's pissed off the Cubs didn't cave in or at least meet him halfway in his arbitration process. For once, Hendry took a stand and said "take it, I'm not moving from this number". Theriot probably took that as an insult since the Cubs seem to meet everyone halfway.

 

That said, I'm sure he's getting the picture right about now that this is a true make or break year for him. If he doesn't have a good season, he's going to be a guy signing one year contracts from this point forward. If he does have a decent year(for him anyway) it's possible he can still find a multi-year contract from someone(maybe 3-10 or something like that possibly).

 

 

But, I definitely think the arbitration process is what gave him something to bitch about when it came to the Cubs. If it's not that, I guess it's actually possible he couldn't believe they moved him off SS for a 20 year old last year. Surely that's not it, but I wouldn't put anything past him, I guess.

[BeerHere]

Theriot is just a classic case of thinking he's much better than what he actually is. What he doesn't see is he's a stopgap and that every team has a Ryan Theriot sitting somewhere down in their farm system. What's funny though, like someone else mentioned earlier, is I DO think he's pissed off the Cubs didn't cave in or at least meet him halfway in his arbitration process. For once, Hendry took a stand and said "take it, I'm not moving from this number". Theriot probably took that as an insult since the Cubs seem to meet everyone halfway.

 

That said, I'm sure he's getting the picture right about now that this is a true make or break year for him. If he doesn't have a good season, he's going to be a guy signing one year contracts from this point forward. If he does have a decent year(for him anyway) it's possible he can still find a multi-year contract from someone(maybe 3-10 or something like that possibly).

 

 

But, I definitely think the arbitration process is what gave him something to bitch about when it came to the Cubs. If it's not that, I guess it's actually possible he couldn't believe they moved him off SS for a 20 year old last year. Surely that's not it, but I wouldn't put anything past him, I guess.

Truth be told, I forgot about arbitration last year for Theriot. Either way, somewhere in there is the truth. The guy is bitter about something.

[Illini Iceman]

Maybe he is mad about that fishing bobble head.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When it comes to guys with the skill set of Ryan Theriot, there a dime a dozen, and could be plucked from any farm system, it all depends on the needs of the team. Bobby Scales comes to mind as a guy who could have had more of a big league career had he been on a team with a need for a guy of his skill set, which is very similar to Theriots, and actually had better numbers at the age Theriot was when he was called up. Theriot actually lucked out and was in the right organization at the right time.

[Splendid Splinter]

When it comes to guys with the skill set of Ryan Theriot, there a dime a dozen, and could be plucked from any farm system, it all depends on the needs of the team. Bobby Scales comes to mind as a guy who could have had more of a big league career had he been on a team with a need for a guy of his skill set, which is very similar to Theriots, and actually had better numbers at the age Theriot was when he was called up. Theriot actually lucked out and was in the right organization at the right time.

 

Yeah I alway wondered what would've happened to Theriot had he NOT hit the crap out of the ball in his callup in 2006. Like would he have been back in the minors or still made the Cubs roster in 2007 had he hit like .260/.310/.330 instead of .328/.412/.522....

[wekse]

[expletive] you, ryan theriot.