Cubs ST Pics thread! (Photo Day! 2/22)

[Garwilly]

Range factor is simply a measure of the number of chances that player receives per nine innings. It is heavily influenced by a number of factors, including the makeup of the pitching staff.

 

Ramirez plays for a team that has had a historic number of strikeout pitchers the past ten years. Even when the ball was put into play, there have been several fly ball pitchers on the team. That also reduces the number of chances for the infielders. In short, RF is measuring the pitching staff as much as the range of the infielders for the Cubs.

 

There are many better metrics to look at. All defensive metrics have their shortcomings, but any of the advanced or recent metrics will be better than Range Factor.

 

thank you, what would you rate as the most comprehensive of metrics? and which one for this particular case

 

errors

 

Skin tone (10 through 1) minus Triple plays.

 

Scores 6 and above are slackers, scores 3 through 5 are acceptable, 2 and below are stars.

[Sammy Sofa]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

[javy knows my name]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

[woodchip2153]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

 

what??? Ramirez has been a below average defender for almost his entire career. He had a couple of above average years defensively, but overall he's been below average.

[moorecg]

I always used to like this thread because every year it was just pictures from spring training....I miss those days.

[Dr. Cub]

I always used to like this thread because every year it was just pictures from spring training....I miss those days.

 

Shut it!! Learn to bicker and argue over trivial crap; and have little to no respect for your fellow man. This is how things are done now old-timer.

[javy knows my name]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

 

what??? Ramirez has been a below average defender for almost his entire career. He had a couple of above average years defensively, but overall he's been below average.

 

That was obviously tongue-in-cheek. Maybe you're not a regular contributer, but there is a long-running joke (though not so lighthearted) about Kaplan and Wittenmeyer's perception of Ramirez being lazy being based on his ethnicity. Although, in all honesty, I think Kaplan is a [expletive] racist

[woodchip2153]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

 

what??? Ramirez has been a below average defender for almost his entire career. He had a couple of above average years defensively, but overall he's been below average.

 

That was obviously tongue-in-cheek. Maybe you're not a regular contributer, but there is a long-running joke (though not so lighthearted) about Kaplan and Wittenmeyer's perception of Ramirez being lazy being based on his ethnicity. Although, in all honesty, I think Kaplan is a [expletive] racist

 

ok, sorry, missed that reference. And I agree there are probably racial undertones in the reasons they hate Ramirez.

[imb]

Range factor is simply a measure of the number of chances that player receives per nine innings. It is heavily influenced by a number of factors, including the makeup of the pitching staff.

 

Ramirez plays for a team that has had a historic number of strikeout pitchers the past ten years. Even when the ball was put into play, there have been several fly ball pitchers on the team. That also reduces the number of chances for the infielders. In short, RF is measuring the pitching staff as much as the range of the infielders for the Cubs.

 

There are many better metrics to look at. All defensive metrics have their shortcomings, but any of the advanced or recent metrics will be better than Range Factor.

 

thank you, what would you rate as the most comprehensive of metrics? and which one for this particular case

 

A pitcher's ERA while he's on the field

[javy knows my name]

Range factor is simply a measure of the number of chances that player receives per nine innings. It is heavily influenced by a number of factors, including the makeup of the pitching staff.

 

Ramirez plays for a team that has had a historic number of strikeout pitchers the past ten years. Even when the ball was put into play, there have been several fly ball pitchers on the team. That also reduces the number of chances for the infielders. In short, RF is measuring the pitching staff as much as the range of the infielders for the Cubs.

 

There are many better metrics to look at. All defensive metrics have their shortcomings, but any of the advanced or recent metrics will be better than Range Factor.

 

thank you, what would you rate as the most comprehensive of metrics? and which one for this particular case

 

A pitcher's ERA while he's on the field

 

Compare ERA with bases empty vs runners on

[imb]

Range factor is simply a measure of the number of chances that player receives per nine innings. It is heavily influenced by a number of factors, including the makeup of the pitching staff.

 

Ramirez plays for a team that has had a historic number of strikeout pitchers the past ten years. Even when the ball was put into play, there have been several fly ball pitchers on the team. That also reduces the number of chances for the infielders. In short, RF is measuring the pitching staff as much as the range of the infielders for the Cubs.

 

There are many better metrics to look at. All defensive metrics have their shortcomings, but any of the advanced or recent metrics will be better than Range Factor.

 

thank you, what would you rate as the most comprehensive of metrics? and which one for this particular case

 

A pitcher's ERA while he's on the field

 

Compare ERA with bases empty vs runners on

 

I guess the true measure would be to check the catcher's ERA while he's on the field. Latin laziness often has an effect on a catcher, which also has an effect on the pitcher. It's trickle-down. Real heavy stuff

[hardcorecubfan]

I always used to like this thread because every year it was just pictures from spring training....I miss those days.

 

It's our Cubs, that is what this site is all about, if we couldn't whine about them every so often what fun would that be?

[hardcorecubfan]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

 

 

So, the analyst at CBS sports are racist, and the Redsox scouts are racist, who characterized his defense as such, it is a weak sword to draw in his defense. Use the race card to push the opponent back on their heels so they are defending.

 

Question: Do you believe Bob Brenley and Ron Santo were Racist?

 

All I did was point out that he wasn't in front of the ball in the photo, and I pray that every Cub is working on their defense.

[Guest]

Range factor is simply a measure of the number of chances that player receives per nine innings. It is heavily influenced by a number of factors, including the makeup of the pitching staff.

 

Ramirez plays for a team that has had a historic number of strikeout pitchers the past ten years. Even when the ball was put into play, there have been several fly ball pitchers on the team. That also reduces the number of chances for the infielders. In short, RF is measuring the pitching staff as much as the range of the infielders for the Cubs.

 

There are many better metrics to look at. All defensive metrics have their shortcomings, but any of the advanced or recent metrics will be better than Range Factor.

 

thank you, what would you rate as the most comprehensive of metrics? and which one for this particular case

UZR is pretty accessible over at fangraphs.

 

BTW - it backs up your opinion of Ramirez, as well: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1002&position=3B#fielding

[Rob]

hccf, there are quite a few advanced metrics you could look at but if we're trying to keep it as simple as possible just go to fangraphs and look under the advanced fielding section for UZR/150. It's basically how many runs above or below average a player is with the glove if they played in 150 games.

 

Standard caveats apply. It's not exactly the most stable statistic so more information is always better. So try to look at more than 1 year. And if you do want the best idea possible, look at other statistics like total zone (on baseball reference) or dewan's plus/minus (labeled DRS on fangraphs). Look at the fans scouting report on tangotigers site. Listen to professional scouting reports, etc...

[Brian]

UGH!!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/2e/fullj.380f79736e617128b49cf40ee0989f3d/ap-374dcfb3425241348c8dbc0a5abad798.jpg

 

swoon

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/60/fullj.9bd701e0b9d048e69f98a32dd694441b/ap-6d5a69125895461695e3ee803d61c4a2.jpg

 

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/04/fullj.5c8b4d19b32a0033b05719d3eed8fd59/ap-e6c72830861a44d39fc949f1282d3272.jpg

 

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/b4/fullj.67f63a2daf6f07a21917b37d42ce2d82/ap-5b853f55b8f5475094ae8d90858c6c70.jpg

 

the great white hope of the lazy infield

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/00/fullj.09657b8713a9314cdc1857a93153eeef/ap-561d6a6ee05e4085ab9c950628e9d6ed.jpg

[abuck1220]

 

All I did was point out that he wasn't in front of the ball in the photo, and I pray that every Cub is working on their defense.

 

i like that your scouting report was based on a still photograph. that's how bill james does it i'm pretty sure.

[rocket]

 

All I did was point out that he wasn't in front of the ball in the photo, and I pray that every Cub is working on their defense.

 

i like that your scouting report was based on a still photograph. that's how bill james does it i'm pretty sure.

 

liar. bill james has never even seen a baseball game.

[javy knows my name]

none the less the label is there.

 

That doesn't make it correct.

 

And that label is applied by racists

 

 

So, the analyst at CBS sports are racist, and the Redsox scouts are racist, who characterized his defense as such, it is a weak sword to draw in his defense. Use the race card to push the opponent back on their heels so they are defending.

 

Question: Do you believe Bob Brenley and Ron Santo were Racist?

 

All I did was point out that he wasn't in front of the ball in the photo, and I pray that every Cub is working on their defense.

 

I love how you go ahead and make this post a full day after I made my qualifying post above

 

EDIT: Errr, 4 hours

Edited February 22, 2011 by Castro's Spray Chart

[Old Style]

UGH!!

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/2e/fullj.380f79736e617128b49cf40ee0989f3d/ap-374dcfb3425241348c8dbc0a5abad798.jpg

"C'mon Dorn, get in front of the damn ball. Don't give me this ole [expletive]."

[Sammy Sofa]

Christ.

[wade]

Who is that with the spiked (or knuckle) curve? Cashner?

[Guest]

Who is that with the spiked (or knuckle) curve? Cashner?

 

Yes.

[Old Style]

Christ.

http://images3.cpcache.com/product/112560583v3_480x480_Front_Color-AshGrey.jpg

[Cubs Fan Dan]

http://marlonbyrd.mlblogs.com/

 

Did not know where to put this... I love Marlon's attitude but if he OPS's .685 in the second half again this offense will have some issues as he will be hitting near the top of the order. I do believe the Cubs are being undersold though. According to majority of the media Ramirez cannot hit anymore, Pena is going to hit about .210, the cubs 4th and 5th starters will suck, and there is no hope at all for Baker/DeWitt platoon to be productive. I just cannot wait to get the season going to see what is really here.