Harang: Dusty ruined my career

[davearm2]

lol yeah statistics before and after the game in question are completely worthless to the discussion.

They are. Nobody's arguing that the outing didn't wind up adversely impacting Harang.

 

The issues are, a) was this reasonably foreseeable, and b) were there better options available.

 

The answer to a) is, basically no.

 

The answer to b) is, using the next day's starter is the only real viable one IMO, and even then it's a highly debatable point.

 

oh i see, it was not reasonably foreseeable to think that having a guy throw 62 pitches on two days' rest after throwing 100+ pitches in his last outing might be rendered injured or less effective in subsequent starts.

The added risk of injury was trivial relative to any other start.

 

It was clear that Harang's workload would need to be curtailed in his next start, and it was.

 

Lingering issues months later were not reasonably foreseeable.

[TruffleShuffle]

It was clear that Harang's workload would need to be curtailed in his next start, and it was.

 

because he got drilled by the [expletive] pirates, not because dusty was being responsible.

[SouthSideRyan]

It was clear that Harang's workload would need to be curtailed in his next start, and it was.

 

because he got drilled by the [expletive] pirates, not because dusty was being responsible.

 

As he pitched on 3 days rest from his relief appearance

[MembersOnlyJacket]

Whether Harang's career was ruined by Dusty Baker, that's not the point. Who the hell knows why Harang sucked, he simply sucked. Maybe it was building over the years, maybe he was over his head in 2007, maybe he's just not that good.

 

The point is that Dusty Baker has no ability to manage outside of the moment that he is in. It's why he pulled Russ Ortiz in Game 7 of the World Series, it's why Harang threw 340 pitches in 11 days, and it's why Mark Guthrie was on the mound in the 10th inning in Game 1 of the NLCS. Dusty Baker cannot manage complex tasks and think critically. It's not an accusation, it's a fact.

[Guest]

It was clear that Harang's workload would need to be curtailed in his next start, and it was.

 

because he got drilled by the [expletive] pirates, not because dusty was being responsible.

 

Yeah, you really think Dusty would have taken Harang out after 73 pitches if he had only allowed a run on four hits through six innings?

[Sammy Sofa]

It was clear that Harang's workload would need to be curtailed in his next start, and it was.

 

because he got drilled by the [expletive] pirates, not because dusty was being responsible.

 

Yeah, you really think Dusty would have taken Harang out after 73 pitches if he had only allowed a run on four hits through six innings?

 

[expletive] no. What kind of message would that send?

[wastra]

Was Reuben Quevedo 'ruined' by Dusty or Baylor? Maybe he should be in the support group, I can't remember...

[shnsajax]

Was Reuben Quevedo 'ruined' by Dusty or Baylor? Maybe he should be in the support group, I can't remember...

 

I thought he was ruined by Little Debbie.

[NCCubFan]

Was Reuben Quevedo 'ruined' by Dusty or Baylor? Maybe he should be in the support group, I can't remember...

His only season with the Cubs was 2000, Baylor's first season as manager.