Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Guest]

I wonder how much money Prince will get compared to Albert. Probably not enough of a difference to justify the difference in their value.

[Guest]

Albert Pujols is in the conversation to be the best baseball player who ever lived. Players of his caliber do not have the same aging curve as peasantfolk like Soriano. Furthermore, even as Pujols starts to decline, he'll still be putting up a bunch of HOF caliber seasons on the way down, because that's how good his peak is.

 

EDIT: And of course it's not going to take 3 or 4 years for this team to be good again. Are we going to have to make that a sticky that goes at the top of every Transactions thread this winter?

 

I think we should.

 

Team can be made a powerhouse in two seasons (or one, depending on how you look at it... what I mean is, by April 2013).

[dew1679666265]

I wonder how much money Prince will get compared to Albert. Probably not enough of a difference to justify the difference in their value.

 

I'd take Pujols in a heartbeat over Prince. However, and this is to your previous point about Prince not being as good as some make him out to be, two of his past 3 years have been 5.5 and 6.4 WAR seasons. He's nowhere near Pujols caliber, but he's a star in his own right and well worth getting huge money. He has a .391 career wOBA and has a fantastic career OBP (.390), meaning he's more likely to provide some value even if his weights saps some of his power.

 

Here's something to consider. Prince's first 7 ML seasons: 3 .400+ wOBA seasons, two more at .370 and .380 each. ARod's first 7 ML seasons (discounting 94 and 95): 4 .400+ wOBA seasons, three more at .370+. ARod's obviously the better player, I'm not equating the two, but Prince has been comparable to ARod offensively in his first 7 years. Defense is really holding Prince back, though, from having the kind of WARs ARod put up.

[Backtobanks]

I'm guessing Fielder will have an opt out as well to secure his final contract the same way CC will.

 

I'll take either one and will be happy either way.

Having Fielder for 3-4 years and then having him opt out of the last 3-4 years would be about the best-case scenario.

 

Having Fielder/Pujols/Sabathia/Wilson for 3-4 years and then opt out of the rest of the contract would be the best-case scenario.

 

So would the Cubs getting Theo Epstein and well all know not a chance in hell!

 

23%

 

I would think the Cubs would be the favorite to sign one of Pujols/Sabathia. They have a need for a 1B, have as much money to spend as anyone, and seem to be headed toward being a winner.

 

Sorry about that, should be Pujols/Fielder.

[imb]

by the time pujols' decline hits, the NL will have a DH anyway and we'll be able to hide him there.

[Vinestal]

by the time pujols' decline hits, the NL will have a DH anyway and we'll be able to hide him there.

The Hell you say! pfft, the day the NL gets DH is the day I'm done with baseball. The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball, if you want to call what they play in the American League baseball.

[Northside Blues]

Albert Pujols is in the conversation to be the best baseball player who ever lived. Players of his caliber do not have the same aging curve as peasantfolk like Soriano.

 

For comparison sake, some of the best RH hitters of all time.

 

Recents

- Manny Ramirez - out of baseball now at age 39 but never declined and was a headcase.

- Frank Thomas - Didn't decline until about age 39 but had problems staying healthy and was never the same player as he was before 30, but still great. Then again at age 31 Thomas had a better career than Pujols.

- Jeff Bagwell - declined at 35ish. Bagwell is probably the best athletic comparison to Pujols, probably more athletic actually. Bagwell had a shoulder arthritic condition.

- Mark McGwire - Done at 37. Injuries and roids.

 

Others, keep in mind that players care a lot more about conditioning these days.

- Rogers Hornsby - done at 35

- Jimmie Foxx - done at 34

- Hank Greenberg - Out of baseball at 36 but never stop hitting

- Dick Allen - done at 33

- Hank Aaron - done at 40

- Joe DiMaggio - done at 36

- Willie Mays - done at 41

 

If he stays healthy he will hit until he's well into his late 30s.

[Derwood]

Then again at age 31 Thomas had a better career than Pujols.

 

 

Thomas after age 31 year (career):

 

.320/.440/.573, 301 HR, 1040 RBI, 968 R, 1076 BB

 

 

Pujols after age 31 year (career):

 

.328/.420/.617, 445 HR, 1329 RBI, 1291 R, 975 BB

 

 

In other words, LOLWUT???

[Magnetic Curses]

Then again at age 31 Thomas had a better career than Pujols.

 

 

Thomas after age 31 year (career):

 

.320/.440/.573, 301 HR, 1040 RBI, 968 R, 1076 BB

 

 

Pujols after age 31 year (career):

 

.328/.420/.617, 445 HR, 1329 RBI, 1291 R, 975 BB

 

 

In other words, LOLWUT???

 

you must mean at, not after

[Derwood]

Then again at age 31 Thomas had a better career than Pujols.

 

 

Thomas after age 31 year (career):

 

.320/.440/.573, 301 HR, 1040 RBI, 968 R, 1076 BB

 

 

Pujols after age 31 year (career):

 

.328/.420/.617, 445 HR, 1329 RBI, 1291 R, 975 BB

 

 

In other words, LOLWUT???

 

you must mean at, not after

 

Sorry, bad grammar. I mean these are their career numbers up to/including their age 31 years.

[Magnetic Curses]

ok, i see it now

[Derwood]

ok, i see it now

 

point being, NSB's claim that Thomas was better at age 31 than Pujols is patently false

[Brian]

Big Tom needs to give Albert a slightly tweaked version of whatever presentation he gave Theo.

[TruffleShuffle]

The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

 

really? i would think the whole "not letting black guys play for 60 years" was bit worse.

[Guest]

The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

 

really? i would think the whole "not letting black guys play for 60 years" was bit worse.

Hawk Harrelson

[Brian]

The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

 

really? i would think the whole "not letting black guys play for 60 years" was bit worse.

Hawk Harrelson

 

Jose Macias

[javy knows my name]

by the time pujols' decline hits, the NL will have a DH anyway and we'll be able to hide him there.

The Hell you say! pfft, the day the NL gets DH is the day I'm done with baseball. The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball, if you want to call what they play in the American League baseball.

 

This is the meatballiest thing I've read on here in years. How does the DH inspire such a tantrum? Who. Gives. A. [expletive].

[Vinestal]

by the time pujols' decline hits, the NL will have a DH anyway and we'll be able to hide him there.

The Hell you say! pfft, the day the NL gets DH is the day I'm done with baseball. The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball, if you want to call what they play in the American League baseball.

 

This is the meatballiest thing I've read on here in years. How does the DH inspire such a tantrum? Who. Gives. A. [expletive].

 

and this is the most 3 yearoldish thing Ive read on here in years, the DH ruined the AL, a lot of people give a [expletive]. It completely changes the way the game is played from a strategy standpoint. If your so shortsighted that runs are the only thing that you find entertaining about the game, maybe its time to find a new game, leave mine alone.

[Vinestal]

The DH is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball

 

really? i would think the whole "not letting black guys play for 60 years" was bit worse.

Hawk Harrelson

You might have an argument there.

I'm pretty passionate in my hatred for the DH it creates a dumbed down form of baseball that I truly loathe. Its really a topic for another thread.

[TruffleShuffle]

yes it ruined the american league, there's hardly any interest in teams like the yankees and red sox because of it.

[Vinestal]

yes it ruined the american league, there's hardly any interest in teams like the yankees and red sox because of it.

Well its not like the fans of those teams have a choice now is there? Most grew up watching that type of baseball so they don't really know anything different. The popularity of AL teams really has nothing to do with the DH.

[Sammy Sofa]

yes it ruined the american league, there's hardly any interest in teams like the yankees and red sox because of it.

Well its not like the fans of those teams have a choice now is there? Most grew up watching that type of baseball so they don't really know anything different. The popularity of AL teams really has nothing to do with the DH.

 

So the same thing would happen with people raised with an NL that has the DH.

[TruffleShuffle]

yes it ruined the american league, there's hardly any interest in teams like the yankees and red sox because of it.

Well its not like the fans of those teams have a choice now is there? Most grew up watching that type of baseball so they don't really know anything different. The popularity of AL teams really has nothing to do with the DH.

 

yeah yankee fans couldn't, i don't know, change the channel and watch the other new york team play.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

yeah yankee fans couldn't, i don't know, change the channel and watch the other new york team play.

 

Yankee fans think the team is garbage if they don't win the WS. Mets games?

 

The sad thing is that Mets games aren't a bad watch...Lol they have a top tier broadcasting crew. Plus, Citifield is really, really easy on the eyes. I actually really like that park. It's way better than the new Yankee Stadium to me.

Edited October 23, 2011 by KingKongvs.Godzilla

[Guest]

Please keep it civil, guys