2011 NFL Offseason

[Magnetic Curses]

roethlisberger is one.

 

Yup. OK and I jumped the gun on the second one. I just looked it up and Marino was 21 when he started his rookie season, but turned 22 before week 2 of the season, so I guess that one doesn't really count.

 

i would still accept marino.

[JonJayCutler]

We go through this every year with the preseason. People trying to make it hold water simply because it's there for us to analyze and we don't like analyzing things that mean nothing. We should all know by now the reasons why preseason has very little impact on what transpires during the regular season.

 

Besides, the issue with Stafford has never really been his performance, but rather the fact that his shoulder is held together by Elmer's Glue.

[sneakypower]

Roethlisberger and Marino were both 22

 

Stafford's shoulder is no more problematic than Bradford's or Brees'

[Banedon]

Roethlisberger and Marino were both 22

 

Stafford's shoulder is no more problematic than Bradford's or Brees'

 

Are you high?

 

Stafford has missed 19 games in his first 2 seasons. Bradford hasn't missed a game due to injury, and Brees has only missed 2 games since 2004. I mean, I get defending your QB...but come on. Stafford clearly has durability issues.

[Careless]

Holy frijoles. Eagles give Vick 6 years, $100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed.

That's not going to end well. And that makes me happy. Stupid Eagles.

[Guest]

Bradford missed his senior season with the shoulder injury he sustained in Week 1.

[Banedon]

Bradford missed his senior season with the shoulder injury he sustained in Week 1.

 

Stafford hurt his shoulder twice, and ended his rookie season on IR with knee issues. He has durability concerns.

[TruffleShuffle]

Holy frijoles. Eagles give Vick 6 years, $100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed.

That's not going to end well. And that makes me happy. Stupid Eagles.

 

is he going to become a bad quarterback? or will he start up bad newz again?

[jersey cubs fan]

Holy frijoles. Eagles give Vick 6 years, $100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed.

That's not going to end well. And that makes me happy. Stupid Eagles.

 

is he going to become a bad quarterback? or will he start up bad newz again?

 

He's going to get killed.

[TruffleShuffle]

Holy frijoles. Eagles give Vick 6 years, $100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed.

That's not going to end well. And that makes me happy. Stupid Eagles.

 

is he going to become a bad quarterback? or will he start up bad newz again?

 

He's going to get killed.

 

well then they're out from under his contract, so that's not a bad thing.

[jersey cubs fan]

Holy frijoles. Eagles give Vick 6 years, $100 mil, $40 mil guaranteed.

That's not going to end well. And that makes me happy. Stupid Eagles.

 

is he going to become a bad quarterback? or will he start up bad newz again?

 

He's going to get killed.

 

well then they're out from under his contract, so that's not a bad thing.

 

i mean on the football field, not by a dog lover

[Guest]

Sure, if Stafford is out for the season again, the Lions won't make the playoffs. But some of you are pretending like they haven't been incrementally improving the whole team. I think the Lions are as likely as the Bears to be the second team to make the playoffs out of the NFC North.

[Magnetic Curses]

Sure, if Stafford is out for the season again, the Lions won't make the playoffs. But some of you are pretending like they haven't been incrementally improving the whole team. I think the Lions are as likely as the Bears to be the second team to make the playoffs out of the NFC North.

 

i can agree with this. however, we've said this before about the lions.

[sneakypower]

Division winners: Eagles, Packers, Saints, Rams

Wild Card should be Falcons and one of: Giants, Bears, Lions, Cowboys

 

Philly's going to beat the Cowboys twice and the Giants are already getting decimated by injuries, and Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

honestly i think we're about a 9-7 team, and that should give us a decent chance. i'd feel much more confident if we still had Leshoure, though. he'd provide exactly what we're sorely missing on offense

 

 

@ Tampa - win

Kansas City - win

@ Minnesota - loss

@ Dallas - loss

Chicago - win

San Francisco - win

Atlanta - loss

@ Denver - win

@ Chicago - loss

Carolina - win

Green Bay - win

@ New Orleans - loss

Minnesota - win

@ Oakland - win

San Diego - loss

@ Green Bay - loss

 

feel free to tell me what a homer i am

[JonJayCutler]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

[sneakypower]

Greg Olsen and Danieal Manning, mainly; Tinoisamoa, Tommie Harris and Kreutz ('s pass blocking), to a much lesser extent

 

understandably, losing Collins, Manumaleuna, Maynard, Taylor will assuredly only help though

[JonJayCutler]

Greg Olsen and Danieal Manning, mainly; Tinoisamoa, Tommie Harris and Kreutz ('s pass blocking), to a much lesser extent

 

understandably, losing Collins, Manumaleuna, Maynard, Taylor will assuredly only help though

 

Why do people think Olsen is the Christ? I don't see how Martz being able to run the offense more like he wants should be considered taking a step back. Besides, the guy barely had 400 receiving yards last year, which should be obtainable with our current group of TEs.

 

Manning was solid last year but is still replaceable. We upgraded at RB and WR (yes Barber and Williams are upgrades regardless of how much of an upgrade). Replacing Rashied Davis with Sam Hurd is also an upgrade. These are just as much upgrades as losing Olsen and Manning are downgrades, mostly because they aren't much of a downgrade at all. Tight end and safety aren't exactly the biggest impact positions on the football field either.

 

Losing Kreutz, Harris, Tinoisamoa, and all the other players listed below them does not really hurt the team. In most cases, like you said, it makes them better.

[Magnetic Curses]

Division winners: Eagles, Packers, Saints, Rams

Wild Card should be Falcons and one of: Giants, Bears, Lions, Cowboys

 

Philly's going to beat the Cowboys twice and the Giants are already getting decimated by injuries, and Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

honestly i think we're about a 9-7 team, and that should give us a decent chance. i'd feel much more confident if we still had Leshoure, though. he'd provide exactly what we're sorely missing on offense

 

 

@ Tampa - win

Kansas City - win

@ Minnesota - loss

@ Dallas - loss

Chicago - win

San Francisco - win

Atlanta - loss

@ Denver - win

@ Chicago - loss

Carolina - win

Green Bay - win

@ New Orleans - loss

Minnesota - win

@ Oakland - win

San Diego - loss

@ Green Bay - loss

 

feel free to tell me what a homer i am

 

i'm pretty unhappy that leshoure got hurt, that sucks, he's a [expletive] beast.

[Flames24Rulz]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

 

They have an aging defense and I highly doubt that they're going to be as healthy as they were last year. I think that's a fair statement.

[sneakypower]

Greg Olsen and Danieal Manning, mainly; Tinoisamoa, Tommie Harris and Kreutz ('s pass blocking), to a much lesser extent

 

understandably, losing Collins, Manumaleuna, Maynard, Taylor will assuredly only help though

 

Why do people think Olsen is the Christ? I don't see how Martz being able to run the offense more like he wants should be considered taking a step back. Besides, the guy barely had 400 receiving yards last year, which should be obtainable with our current group of TEs.

 

Manning was solid last year but is still replaceable. We upgraded at RB and WR (yes Barber and Williams are upgrades regardless of how much of an upgrade). Replacing Rashied Davis with Sam Hurd is also an upgrade. These are just as much upgrades as losing Olsen and Manning are downgrades, mostly because they aren't much of a downgrade at all. Tight end and safety aren't exactly the biggest impact positions on the football field either.

 

Losing Kreutz, Harris, Tinoisamoa, and all the other players listed below them does not really hurt the team. In most cases, like you said, it makes them better.

i hated Olsen because we couldn't ever seem to cover him; even if he underachieved in receiving yards, i think you put a lot more focus of the defense on him than you would Matt Spaeth or Kellen Davis or whoever

[Magnetic Curses]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

 

They have an aging defense and I highly doubt that they're going to be as healthy as they were last year. I think that's a fair statement.

 

he did say "talent-wise", which they really haven't except for maybe at FS. I think Okoye is going to be a marked step up from Tommie Harris, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

 

They have an aging defense and I highly doubt that they're going to be as healthy as they were last year. I think that's a fair statement.

 

It's a misinformed statement. They failed to take a step forward, no doubt. But they didn't take a step back talent-wise. That's just silly.

[JonJayCutler]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

 

They have an aging defense and I highly doubt that they're going to be as healthy as they were last year. I think that's a fair statement.

 

More like wishful thinking on your part. If we're going to do this, then the inexperienced O-Line and WRs having another year under their belt improves the team. Also Cutler being more familiar with the offense improves the team. See, it works both ways. This defense was old last year while playing at close to an elite level.

[Guest]

Bears (imho) took a step back, talent-wise

 

Why do people keep saying this? It's one thing to say they didn't improve the team, but that's not the same as taking a step back. Who exactly did they lose that would help support this statement?

 

They have an aging defense and I highly doubt that they're going to be as healthy as they were last year. I think that's a fair statement.

 

More like wishful thinking on your part. If we're going to do this, then the inexperienced O-Line and WRs having another year under their belt improves the team. Also Cutler being more familiar with the offense improves the team. See, it works both ways. This defense was old last year while playing at close to an elite level.

 

I had the Bears in the playoffs last year and I'm putting them back in there this year. It's going to be a fun season and I'm really looking forward to what Cutler can do on the offensive side and a more athletic and quick front line on the defensive side.

 

I don't think we will miss Olsen that much. I think Spaeth and Davis will give Cutler an extra safety valve when the pocket folds. Olsen was more of a route runner and these guys are going to be more focused on protection while potentially getting open for dump passes or extra blocking on dumps to Forte. Solid forward momentum can then take pressure off the offensive line and give Cutler more time to throw.

 

That or I'm a serious homer.

[UMFan83]

The Bears defense may be aging meaning that several of them are nearing the end of their primes, but other than Urlacher, I don't see any players where their age would dictate a decline from last year's performance.

 

Idonije: 30

Toeaina: 26

Adams: 31

Peppers: 31

Briggs: 30

Urlacher: 33

Roach: 26

Tillman: 30

Jennings: 27

Harris: 29

Wright: 23

 

Would I prefer that the 3 best players on the defense be 26-27 instead of 30-33? Sure but none of those people besides Urlacher are at an age where you could reasonably expect a decline over last year. Now when evaluating the Bears defense over the next 3 years, you could say that they are aging of course.

 

In fact, assuming Wooten comes back playing at a similar level as he was in training camp, I would think the defense can be better than last year's. Major Wright has gotten mixed reviews in the preseason, but I think he can ultimately be better than Manning. Jennings should improve over last year, Wooten and Melton give the Bears some nice depth on the D-line. The thing everyone should be worried about on the Bears defense is the linebackers. If you injure any of the 3 starting linebackers on the Bears, they are immediately screwed, as there is absolutely no depth there. There is only one backup linebacker on the Bears roster currently that has ever played an NFL game before, Brian Iwuh. The other guys are almost exclusively undrafted FA rookies.