Sandberg leaves Cubs Organization

[SouthSideRyan]

How long you been waiting to say bukkake of dumb?

[cl smooth]

How long you been waiting to say bukkake of dumb?

 

haha, i thought it fit the mess that is/was the ryno/cubs managerial search.

[Soul]

How long you been waiting to say bukkake of dumb?

 

haha, i thought it fit the mess that is/was the ryno/cubs managerial search.

 

What 'mess?'

 

Nobody guaranteed Sandberg a job. Disappointment on the part of Ryno -- that's fair. I'd be disappointed too. But this idea that there's some kind of fiasco, or mess, or catastrophe, is way overboard.

 

They groomed him, but in the end decided to go in another direction. That's it. The Cubs aren't the first, nor will they be the last, to do this.

[cl smooth]

How long you been waiting to say bukkake of dumb?

 

haha, i thought it fit the mess that is/was the ryno/cubs managerial search.

 

What 'mess?'

 

Nobody guaranteed Sandberg a job. Disappointment on the part of Ryno -- that's fair. I'd be disappointed too. But this idea that there's some kind of fiasco, or mess, or catastrophe, is way overboard.

 

They groomed him, but in the end decided to go in another direction. That's it. The Cubs aren't the first, nor will they be the last, to do this.

 

with all signs pointing towards sandberg getting the job after lou's contract was up (rising through the minor league managerial system rather quickly, promoting the iowa cubs' AAA game at wrigley with sandberg as manager to draw fans, etc.) and then not give it to him, one has to question if hiring him at all 4 years ago was the wisest move. i'm not defending sandberg's actions or comments by any means (which i clarified 2 responses ago), but this has turned into somewhat of a public relations mess for the cubs...you have to be kidding yourself if you don't believe that.

 

again, i'm happy that he's not the manager, but i believe it's fair to question the cubs' ability to think a few moves ahead if something like this were to happen and how the fans/media would view this. their choice to hire quade over sandberg will be brought up at the cubs convention, spring training, during their first loss in a close game, long losing streak, etc. i just don't see this topic going away anytime soon...that's what i'm trying to get at.

[shnsajax]

I really never thought that all signs pointed to Sandberg. I always thought of it as something he had to do just ot even be considered. I think if Quade had not done as well in his month and a half then Sandberg would have had a real shot but that was it.

[jersey cubs fan]

I really never thought that all signs pointed to Sandberg. I always thought of it as something he had to do just ot even be considered. I think if Quade had not done as well in his month and a half then Sandberg would have had a real shot but that was it.

 

All signs were pointing toward Sandberg until Quade won a couple more games than expected and gave them a reason to hire him. Hendry often has crazy plans, and he switches them up in a heartbeat. There's no set path. I'm sure he saw the success and thought it must have been because of the manager, since all the talent he acquired couldn't possibly be a sub .500 team.

[rynefan]

I really never thought that all signs pointed to Sandberg. I always thought of it as something he had to do just ot even be considered. I think if Quade had not done as well in his month and a half then Sandberg would have had a real shot but that was it.

 

All signs were pointing toward Sandberg until Quade won a couple more games than expected and gave them a reason to hire him. Hendry often has crazy plans, and he switches them up in a heartbeat. There's no set path. I'm sure he saw the success and thought it must have been because of the manager, since all the talent he acquired couldn't possibly be a sub .500 team.

 

I say why not give him the job. They were so awful last season, give him the job when it's not like he can do any major damage. Last year was painful! I'd like something at least remotely interesting to watch if nothing else. What's done is done, and hopefully one day he can come back. None of us knows what went on behind the scenes, but if he was promised the job when Lou left, he got royally screwed. Period. A year ago no one was on the "Quade for manager" bandwagon, but now he's the manager. He's not quite as polarizing as Sandberg for manager would have been, that's for sure. My biggest hope is that Quade goes out of his way to prove he deserves this. Then again, with Hendry as GM, it's not like he's gonna have a lot of opportunity I guess.

 

Still.... looking forward to April.....

[SouthSideRyan]

There is no evidence that Sandberg was promised the job.

[loukycub]

There is no evidence that Sandberg was promised the job.

 

granted, ryno keeps talking about it when asked and won't stop beating the dead horse, but how much are the cubs to blame for this? hire one of the most popular players in your franchise's history (who also happens to be a hall of famer) to manage your minor league teams, putting him on the fast track yearly at the different minor league levels, essentially grooming him for the big-league managerial poisition later on down the line. once there's a managerial position available, you don't pick him and he gets butt-hurt. whether or not his managerial style fits you personally as a fan isn't the issue, but dangling the carrot out for him to become manager after lou left and then not give it to him was a mess waiting to happen. i as well as others am happy that quade received the job over sandberg, but this seems like a bukkake of dumb all over the place.

 

granted you (ssr) have a point that no one promised him the gig officially and on the record, but you could logically imply that ryne was going to get the job for the 2011 season. look what cl smooth posted from the last page that is in bold. i don't think it was coincidental that lou's contract ended the same year that ryne managed the aaa team. i am convinced that was the plan. sandberg got screwed when the team performed under quade plain and simple. i'm not sure if i mentioned it in this thread or another one, but i would be leery of any person becoming a major league manager after not having any major league coaching experience, especially one who is attempting to manage a big market high pressure job like the cubs. he doesn't think he needs to sit on a major league bench. i think he does. i'll bet that 30 other major league teams do to. i guarantee that should charlie manuel get fired, ryne sandberg is not going to be the interim manager.

[Soul]

I really never thought that all signs pointed to Sandberg. I always thought of it as something he had to do just ot even be considered. I think if Quade had not done as well in his month and a half then Sandberg would have had a real shot but that was it.

 

All signs were pointing toward Sandberg until Quade won a couple more games than expected and gave them a reason to hire him. Hendry often has crazy plans, and he switches them up in a heartbeat. There's no set path. I'm sure he saw the success and thought it must have been because of the manager, since all the talent he acquired couldn't possibly be a sub .500 team.

 

I say why not give him the job. They were so awful last season, give him the job when it's not like he can do any major damage. Last year was painful! I'd like something at least remotely interesting to watch if nothing else. What's done is done, and hopefully one day he can come back. None of us knows what went on behind the scenes, but if he was promised the job when Lou left, he got royally screwed. Period. A year ago no one was on the "Quade for manager" bandwagon, but now he's the manager. He's not quite as polarizing as Sandberg for manager would have been, that's for sure. My biggest hope is that Quade goes out of his way to prove he deserves this. Then again, with Hendry as GM, it's not like he's gonna have a lot of opportunity I guess.

 

Still.... looking forward to April.....

 

Eh, Quade gets his chance to succeed where folks don't think he can. If he fails, it was never going to happen anyway --- and everyone walks away clean.

 

With Ryno all those expectations come with him, because he's the legend. You know most Cub fans. It's Ryno. They're going to believe he'll pull off a miracle, or whatever.

 

Then he fails, and it sours the memory of the man. I don't know. I'm glad he was denied. I'll take a little butt-hurted-ness from Ryno. Because I'm convinced that him managing this club, at this particular time, would have been a catastrophe.

[SouthSideRyan]

So louky, what outside of Hendry not giving him a managerial job in '07 would convince you otherwise. No matter what you think of Hendry, it seems outlandish that he decided on a successor manager for Lou while he was hiring him, with that successor being a guy with no experience at just about anything.

 

I don't doubt that Sandberg assumed he was being groomed for the big league job, but that's his fault, not the Cubs organization. If we've learned anything from Hendry over the past 8 years, it's that he's loyal and a players/manager/coaches/etc GM. I'm just not seeing it.

[loukycub]

i don't know if i could answer that had circumstances not played out the last season as it had, those being such a dramatic drop-off from 2010 from 2009 and lou's mother being ill. if the team had won the division or finished a close second in the division, i could have seen lou coming back.

 

i think of it as the assumed end result if the Piniella era had done nothing to change the club's fortunes. if lou is winning games, and improving the team's fortunes each year, he probably gets a contract extension. but if he's falling off the cliff and the team is getting worse, management lets him "retire" and they bring in sandberg. when you think of it in that way, theoretically the cubs are coming off 7 disappointing seasons so who better to bring in than the cubs legend and fan favorite ryne sandberg to generate some positive off season buzz? consider that we were coming out of the dusty baker era and the low note it ended on.

 

the only thing that screwed up that plan was lou retired early, the iowa cubs were in a playoff push, so ryne couldn't be called up to give him the opportunity to manage the big club.

 

conspiracy theorist and convoluted as hell i know, but it does follow logically and something i could easily see this organization doing under tribco management.