2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[UMFan83]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

[bukie]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

I think it's an easy call to make, and there was no reason for Boozer to have his hand on the other player's back, and keep it there during the rebound jump. If he goes up with two hands there, it doesn't get called.

 

I also think a large part of why fans thought it was a terrible call was the reaction by Stacey King and Neil Funk, and Funk probably thought one of the players was Tyson Chandler.

[imb]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

 

Yeah, that's pretty much what I just said. It's the same as a holding call in the NFL. They happen all the time, sometimes they get called, sometimes they dont. The fact that some pushoffs dont get called doesn't make crying about one that was a good idea.

[SpongeWorthy]

Rose finally had an efficient scoring night so UMfan needs something else to nerd rage about

[UMFan83]

Rose finally had an efficient scoring night so UMfan needs something else to nerd rage about

 

you are obsessed with me. please stop it, it's starting to scare me.

 

you need at least 10,000 posts to start obsessing other NSBB members.

[UMFan83]

The NBA All Star teams were leaked (will be announced in 10 minutes). 4 Celtics, a 3rd heat player, 2 hawks players were chosen.

[bukie]

The NBA All Star teams were leaked (will be announced in 10 minutes). 4 Celtics, a 3rd heat player, 2 hawks players were chosen.

Pretty obvious Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Bosh, Horford and Smith would get picked. Allen was kind of up in the air, but probably the best backup SG in the East at this point.

[UMFan83]

The NBA All Star teams were leaked (will be announced in 10 minutes). 4 Celtics, a 3rd heat player, 2 hawks players were chosen.

Pretty obvious Pierce, Garnett, Rondo, Bosh, Horford and Smith would get picked. Allen was kind of up in the air, but probably the best backup SG in the East at this point.

 

Actually it was Joe Johnson, not smith who was the other Hawk chosen.

[SouthSideRyan]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

I think it's an easy call to make, and there was no reason for Boozer to have his hand on the other player's back, and keep it there during the rebound jump. If he goes up with two hands there, it doesn't get called.

 

I also think a large part of why fans thought it was a terrible call was the reaction by Stacey King and Neil Funk, and Funk probably thought one of the players was Tyson Chandler.

 

And Stacey King thinks Derrick Rose gets fouled every possession before he passes half court. UM make sure to post all those clips for us to analyze too

[UMFan83]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

I think it's an easy call to make, and there was no reason for Boozer to have his hand on the other player's back, and keep it there during the rebound jump. If he goes up with two hands there, it doesn't get called.

 

I also think a large part of why fans thought it was a terrible call was the reaction by Stacey King and Neil Funk, and Funk probably thought one of the players was Tyson Chandler.

 

And Stacey King thinks Derrick Rose gets fouled every possession before he passes half court. UM make sure to post all those clips for us to analyze too

:roll: I don't even think I had the volume up when I was watching the game last night.

[Magnetic Curses]

Did you get them confused? The first one is clearly a pushoff and was a legit foul. the second one seemed like it was the fault of that nameless clippers player for not being strong enough to box boozer out.

At least with the second one you can see why the ref would think it's a foul. If the first video is a true foul, the refs would have to call something almost every possession.

 

he pushed off a guy with position and did it hard enough to extend his arm, the refs will call that every time.

 

the second one he just slammed into a smaller guy that wasnt strong enough to box him out.

 

I mean, I could see a ref letting the top one go, but acting like it's some flagrant abuse or something is pretty over the top

 

yeah, this is pretty much what i saw. boozer is also a very strong human being.

[17 Seconds]

he pushed a 270 pound man with one arm while jumping, of course he's (boozer's) going to go the other direction. I would be shocked if you could find more than a person or two who read your explanations or whatever and agree with you.

 

They don't need to read my explanation, they just need to see the video and have a basic knowledge of NBA rules. It was a bad call and shouldn't have been a foul. Do you agree that there are multiple rebound opportunities every game where players have more blatant pushoffs or go over the back more than that play and are not called?

I think it's an easy call to make, and there was no reason for Boozer to have his hand on the other player's back, and keep it there during the rebound jump. If he goes up with two hands there, it doesn't get called.

 

I also think a large part of why fans thought it was a terrible call was the reaction by Stacey King and Neil Funk, and Funk probably thought one of the players was Tyson Chandler.

 

And Stacey King thinks Derrick Rose gets fouled every possession before he passes half court. UM make sure to post all those clips for us to analyze too

 

just mad that you don't have a poster machine

[Tyrant]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Bulls interest in Anthony Parker

 

I'd rather have his sister.

[sneakypower]

Rose finally had an efficient scoring night so UMfan needs something else to nerd rage about

 

you are obsessed with me. please stop it, it's starting to scare me.

 

you need at least 10,000 posts to start obsessing other NSBB members.

[expletive], it all makes sense now

 

erik has a 2nd account

[bukie]

Time-killing Friday afternoon post...how good are these Bulls defensively?

 

So, in the NBA defensive world, there are two mainstream metrics to measure defensive effectiveness: Defensive Rating and Defensive Win Shares.

 

Here are the top 10 NBA players in Defensive Rating:

 

1. Garnett, BOS: 93.9

2. Howard, ORL: 95.3

3. Noah, CHI: 95.7

4. Gibson, CHI: 96.6

5. Boozer, CHI: 97.2

6. Bogut, MIL: 97.7

7. Brewer, CHI: 97.9

8. Blair, SAS: 98.7

9. Camby, POR: 98.8

10. Duncan, SAS: 99.2

 

And here are the top 10 NBA players in Defensive Win Shares:

 

1. Howard, ORL: 4.3

2. Paul, NOH: 3.5

3. Smith, ATL: 3.3

4. James, MIA: 3.2

5. Garnett, BOS: 3.1

6. Ariza, NOH: 3.1

7. Deng, CHI: 3.1

8. Okafor, NOH: 3.0

9. Bogut, MIL: 3.0

10. Rose, CHI: 3.0

 

Two additional notes:

- Keith Bogans has the worst defensive rating of any Bulls player, and fewer DWS than everyone but CJ Watson.

- Kyle Korver is equal with Rose and Deng in Defensive Rating, just outside the top 25 (I can't find stats anywhere that list more than that) at 102. The only team that has a defensive rating better than 102 (other than the Bulls) is Boston.

 

EDIT: Did it myself. Deng is 25th in DR, Korver 28th, Rose 30th. Bogans is 34th, lowest on the team, but still 34th in the league (Assume every team runs an average of an 8-man regular rotation, that makes 240 players qualified in the league).

[UMFan83]

Interesting, considering how much praise Deng and Rose have been getting for their defense, that they are so low in defensive rating, and 2 people that we've been ripping on for defense, Boozer and Korver, are rated higher than expected. The defensive win shares rankings I knew about, and maybe I am a homer but I trust the one where Deng and Rose are in the top ten over the one where Boozer is in hte top 5.

[Sammy Sofa]

"So low?" [expletive] the hell are you talking about?

[Tyrant]

1. Garnett, BOS: 93.9

2. Howard, ORL: 95.3

3. Noah, CHI: 95.7

4. Gibson, CHI: 96.6

5. Boozer, CHI: 97.2

6. Bogut, MIL: 97.7

7. Brewer, CHI: 97.9

8. Blair, SAS: 98.7

9. Camby, POR: 98.8

10. Duncan, SAS: 99.2

 

Well, that's hilarious.

[UMFan83]

"So low?" [expletive] the hell are you talking about?

 

Sorry, I meant respective to their defensive win shares and respective to their ranking on the team. Yeah, outside the top 25 is not very low at all, however doesn't seem right that Deng is the 6th best defender on the team behind players like Boozer.

[Flames24Rulz]

1. Garnett, BOS: 93.9

2. Howard, ORL: 95.3

3. Noah, CHI: 95.7

4. Gibson, CHI: 96.6

5. Boozer, CHI: 97.2

6. Bogut, MIL: 97.7

7. Brewer, CHI: 97.9

8. Blair, SAS: 98.7

9. Camby, POR: 98.8

10. Duncan, SAS: 99.2

 

Well, that's hilarious.

 

I don't see how that's possible either. Looks like an outlier on a really solid list.

 

That being said, Boozer's been everything that I thought and then some. I don't think his defense has been as bad as some have led to believe, but I don't think it's as good as these stats show either.

[SpongeWorthy]

Boozer's defense is brutal. That's nothing more than a guy being disguised by great defenders around him and a good defensive scheme. He has no ability to contest shots at all and his value on defense is entirely tied to his rebounding--which is good.

[bukie]

Boozer's defense is brutal. That's nothing more than a guy being disguised by great defenders around him and a good defensive scheme. He has no ability to contest shots at all and his value on defense is entirely tied to his rebounding--which is good.

His defense has actually been steadily improving the past 5-6 years (last playoffs notwithstanding, where he was just awful). The scheme helps, obviously, but he's not as bad as he's reputed to be. Korver, either.

 

Bogans is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

[Tyrant]

Boozer's defense is brutal. That's nothing more than a guy being disguised by great defenders around him and a good defensive scheme. He has no ability to contest shots at all and his value on defense is entirely tied to his rebounding--which is good.

His defense has actually been steadily improving the past 5-6 years (last playoffs notwithstanding, where he was just awful).

 

When he tries, he can approach passable on defense. Problem is, he still looks mostly disinterested on that end. While blocked shots aren't everything, a guy who is 6-9 and spends his time around the basket should block more than 0.4 shots per game just by accident. Fortunately the Bulls might be the perfect team to hide his deficiencies.

[BigSlick]

The team will be absolutely phenomenal defensively when Noah comes back. Thibodeau's coaching has been excellent this year, taking what amounts to a bunch of what has been average or worse defenders and making them perhaps the best in the league. (Aside from Noah and Deng, who have been good defensively)

 

I love and I hate that Thibodeau is a complete hard ass. I like that he gets absolutely furious when the Bulls give up an easy basket, or completely blow an assignment. He's like a Scott Skiles, but with better results. But i worry he'll burn out some of the players, especially with some of the minutes he's giving Rose...and sometimes that attitude in general can just wear on players after a while.

 

Cannot wait for the playoffs.

[Magnetic Curses]

in the NBA, it's all about team defense. a great defensive coach can make his defense more than the sum of its parts and cause individuals to look much better than they are by themselves.

 

having a guy who can shut down a great player is always nice, but i'll take what thibs has done. just don't let him walk away once we've won 6 titles.