College Football - Week 6 (Oct. 9th)

[dew1679666265]

I don't think it's true of Dungy either, as he seems to be a guy that values teaching/mentoring kids. But you are going to have to pay any of them NFL money ($10Mil/year) to coach.

 

Doesn't college football keep you away from home more? You'll have really late nights in both, but it seems like college would keep you on the road more due to recruiting visits. Am I wrong here?

 

It seems like Dungy would prefer the level that kept him closer to home more of the time – though I think Dungy is genuinely done coaching.

Edited October 11, 2010 by dew

[SouthSideRyan]

But if you are talking about Joe retiring at the end of this year, then I am 99% convinced that Spanier and Curley will look at an outside candidate. Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, Al Golden, Harbaugh, Cowher.... someone with some major experience and someone who will return PSU to top 5 or 10 status, almost immediately.

 

Dungy, Gruden and Cowher are almost certainly not going to coach at the collegiate level – no matter the prestige of the school.

 

Especially not since almost any NFL team would hire any of the three in a heartbeat.

 

I'm not so sure that is true of Gruden.

 

I don't think it's true of Dungy either, as he seems to be a guy that values teaching/mentoring kids. But you are going to have to pay any of them NFL money ($10Mil/year) to coach.

 

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

[dew1679666265]

Mostly about being hired in a heartbeat, but possibly taking a college job. Being a college head coach is a great gig. Sure, most of these guys want to succeed at the highest level, but all three have already done it. College head coaching can offer much longer contracts, much more stability and much less pressure.

 

Is it really more stability and less pressure at a major school? If you win at a very high level, the pressure and stability issues aren't there at either level. But if a coach at Penn State, Tennessee, USC, Florida, etc. struggles for a year, he'll be villified just as much as if he struggles with the Titans, Jets, Colts, etc.

[dew1679666265]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mostly about being hired in a heartbeat, but possibly taking a college job. Being a college head coach is a great gig. Sure, most of these guys want to succeed at the highest level, but all three have already done it. College head coaching can offer much longer contracts, much more stability and much less pressure.

 

Is it really more stability and less pressure at a major school? If you win at a very high level, the pressure and stability issues aren't there at either level. But if a coach at Penn State, Tennessee, USC, Florida, etc. struggles for a year, he'll be villified just as much as if he struggles with the Titans, Jets, Colts, etc.

 

You can be villified if you struggle, but Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had more stability than any coach around. Look at Kirk Ferentz, and before him Hayden Fry. At many schools you can finish 8-4 most years with occasional 10+ win seasons and just as long as you limit the sub .500 seasons, you can stick around. There's only a handful of schools that are canning successful guys and even schools like Michigan did so after 12 years. Fulmer was around forever. Spurrier has been a .500 coach at Carolina since 2005. You spend 5 years in one place in the NFL and everybody wants you dead unless you have a Super Bowl.

 

You play fewer games, with a heavy emphasis on home games. There's recruiting trips, but for the head coach that is nothing. College assistants work like dogs, but nobody works more than NFL coaches. And you get a month to prepare for your big bowl game and then a long vacation. College coaching is a plum job.

Edited October 11, 2010 by jersey cubs fan

[jersey cubs fan]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

 

Lovie was near the top a couple years ago, but I believe he was surpassed by a few guys since then.

[Flames24Rulz]

I don't think it's true of Dungy either, as he seems to be a guy that values teaching/mentoring kids. But you are going to have to pay any of them NFL money ($10Mil/year) to coach.

 

Doesn't college football keep you away from home more? You'll have really late nights in both, but it seems like college would keep you on the road more due to recruiting visits. Am I wrong here?

 

It seems like Dungy would prefer the level that kept him closer to home more of the time – though I think Dungy is genuinely done coaching.

 

Sort of but you can have the coordinators and assistants set up recruiting visits and then Dungy would just be the guy to close out the deal for the bigger recruits.

[Tracer Bullet]

Mostly about being hired in a heartbeat, but possibly taking a college job. Being a college head coach is a great gig. Sure, most of these guys want to succeed at the highest level, but all three have already done it. College head coaching can offer much longer contracts, much more stability and much less pressure.

 

Is it really more stability and less pressure at a major school? If you win at a very high level, the pressure and stability issues aren't there at either level. But if a coach at Penn State, Tennessee, USC, Florida, etc. struggles for a year, he'll be villified just as much as if he struggles with the Titans, Jets, Colts, etc.

 

You can be villified if you struggle, but Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had more stability than any coach around. Look at Kirk Ferentz, and before him Hayden Fry. At many schools you can finish 8-4 most years with occasional 10+ win seasons and just as long as you limit the sub .500 seasons, you can stick around. There's only a handful of schools that are canning successful guys and even schools like Michigan did so after 12 years.

 

You play fewer games, with a heavy emphasis on home games. There's recruiting trips, but for the head coach that is nothing. College assistants work like dogs, but nobody works more than NFL coaches. And you get a month to prepare for your big bowl game and then a long vacation. College coaching is a plum job.

 

how are recruiting trips nothing for head coaches? i guess i don't know how far away PSU goes for recruiting, but it's a pretty big time commitment and a lot of selling.

[jersey cubs fan]

how are recruiting trips nothing for head coaches? i guess i don't know how far away PSU goes for recruiting, but it's a pretty big time commitment and a lot of selling.

 

Not for the head coaches. The assistants do all the work.

[SouthSideRyan]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

 

Lovie was near the top a couple years ago, but I believe he was surpassed by a few guys since then.

 

Shanahan is at the top at 7.5M according to forbes

[dew1679666265]

You can be villified if you struggle, but Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno have had more stability than any coach around. Look at Kirk Ferentz, and before him Hayden Fry. At many schools you can finish 8-4 most years with occasional 10+ win seasons and just as long as you limit the sub .500 seasons, you can stick around. There's only a handful of schools that are canning successful guys and even schools like Michigan did so after 12 years. Fulmer was around forever. Spurrier has been a .500 coach at Carolina since 2005. You spend 5 years in one place in the NFL and everybody wants you dead unless you have a Super Bowl.

 

In 32 years at Florida State, Bowden had 9 seasons of less than 9 wins and none of those were back to back until 2006 and 2007. He also had a streak of 14 straight seasons with 10+ wins. You'll coach for years with the same team in the NFL too if you're that good.

 

JoPa has had 14 seasons with less than 9 wins in 44 years as the head coach. Five of those came in the past 20 years as scrutiny has increased and pressure got worse in the college game.

 

Scrutiny of college coaches has increased 10-fold or more since it became as big money as it is and since the internet got going strong. There's no possibility of a coach at a major national program (South Carolina and Iowa don't really count as that to me) lasting 32 or 44 years anymore. Since 1990, Bowden had nothing but 10+ win seasons until 2001 and his seat got hot. The same for JoPa, the same for Fulmer, etc. Heck, Fulmer took the Vols to the SEC Championship game in 2007 and was fired after the 2008 season.

 

I just don't think there's that big a difference in pressure at the major institutions anymore.

 

You play fewer games, with a heavy emphasis on home games. There's recruiting trips, but for the head coach that is nothing. College assistants work like dogs, but nobody works more than NFL coaches. And you get a month to prepare for your big bowl game and then a long vacation. College coaching is a plum job.

 

The head coach isn't involved in recruiting trips? Lane Kiffin was out all the time visiting kids and as soon as Dooley was hired he hit the road. Gene Chizik has been all over the place recruiting players and visiting schools. College head coaches may do less work than the assistants, but they still do a whole lot of work year round (with the exception of dead periods).

 

As for vacations after the bowl games, I'm not sure about that. As soon as the bowl games end (early January for the BCS teams, which Dungy and Cowher would assumedly be a part of) recruiting really heats up because national signing day is the next month. There's really no vacation time available.

[rawaction]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

 

Lovie was near the top a couple years ago, but I believe he was surpassed by a few guys since then.

 

Shanahan is at the top at 7.5M according to forbes

 

It's been reported that Cowher wants 8-10Mil to coach somewhere next year. Gruden wants big money too.

[dew1679666265]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

 

Lovie was near the top a couple years ago, but I believe he was surpassed by a few guys since then.

 

Shanahan is at the top at 7.5M according to forbes

 

Didn't think about Shanahan. The article from Forbes I found was from early 2009 and I figured it'd be outdated. It was the latest I could find quickly, though.

[rawaction]

What NFL coach is making 10M/year?

 

None. In May, 2009 Forbes had Fisher and Lovie Smith as the highest paid NFL coaches ($5.5 mil). I think Saban is close to the highest paid college coach at $4+ mil a year.

 

Lovie was near the top a couple years ago, but I believe he was surpassed by a few guys since then.

 

Shanahan is at the top at 7.5M according to forbes

 

Didn't think about Shanahan. The article from Forbes I found was from early 2009 and I figured it'd be outdated. It was the latest I could find quickly, though.

 

Pete Carroll got 6.5Mil also, plus they are paying Mora 12 Mil not to coach. Belichick also gets 7 Mil.

[dew1679666265]

Pete Carroll got 6.5Mil also, plus they are paying Mora 12 Mil not to coach. Belichick also gets 7 Mil.

 

Wow, that Forbes article was way off – or else a lot of people got a lot of money since May of last year.

[jersey cubs fan]

In 32 years at Florida State, Bowden had 9 seasons of less than 9 wins and none of those were back to back until 2006 and 2007. He also had a streak of 14 straight seasons with 10+ wins. You'll coach for years with the same team in the NFL too if you're that good.

 

JoPa has had 14 seasons with less than 9 wins in 44 years as the head coach. Five of those came in the past 20 years as scrutiny has increased and pressure got worse in the college game.

 

Scrutiny of college coaches has increased 10-fold or more since it became as big money as it is and since the internet got going strong. There's no possibility of a coach at a major national program (South Carolina and Iowa don't really count as that to me) lasting 32 or 44 years anymore. Since 1990, Bowden had nothing but 10+ win seasons until 2001 and his seat got hot. The same for JoPa, the same for Fulmer, etc. Heck, Fulmer took the Vols to the SEC Championship game in 2007 and was fired after the 2008 season.

 

And a lot of that is because of how easy it is to win 9 games in college. You act like it's a huge accomplishment, but it's not. With multiple cupcakes and a home game centric schedule, winning a good amount of games just isn't that hard.

 

It's blatantly obvious that college head coaching jobs are much less demanding than that of NFL head coach. I never said they aren't involved in the recruiting process, I said they aren't doing the heavy lifting. The NFL has the advantage of more money and the chance to win the game's highest prize. But NCAA offers very good money itself, much more stability, and less demands. Once you've already won a Super Bowl, there's plenty of reason to think a coach would be happy to settle into a college gig.

[dew1679666265]

And a lot of that is because of how easy it is to win 9 games in college. You act like it's a huge accomplishment, but it's not. With multiple cupcakes and a home game centric schedule, winning a good amount of games just isn't that hard.

 

To do it 23 times in 32 years is impressive. Most of the coaches you mentioned had built up a huge amount of good will with their fan base and school, and yet were still forced out rather quickly after hitting their first patch of struggles – with the exception of JoPa. Like I said, Fulmer made the SEC Championship and was fired a year later. He did have 2 losing seasons in 5 years at the same time, but Jeff Fisher had 2 losing seasons in five years from 2004 to 2008 and is still the head coach.

 

I just haven't seen the stability be that much better for college coaches than NFL coaches in recent years.

 

It's blatantly obvious that college head coaching jobs are much less demanding than that of NFL head coach. I never said they aren't involved in the recruiting process, I said they aren't doing the heavy lifting. The NFL has the advantage of more money and the chance to win the game's highest prize. But NCAA offers very good money itself, much more stability, and less demands. Once you've already won a Super Bowl, there's plenty of reason to think a coach would be happy to settle into a college gig.

 

If you're relying on your head coach to simply ride in at the end of a recruiting process to seal the deal and he does very little else, your recruiting probably isn't very good. Like I said, Kiffin, Chizik and Dooley (just to name three) have been out on the road as much as the assistants when they're allowed. Maybe other coaches aren't doing as much, but those programs probably aren't pulling in top classes either. The assistants do more, but the head coaches do a lot.

[Tracer Bullet]

how are recruiting trips nothing for head coaches? i guess i don't know how far away PSU goes for recruiting, but it's a pretty big time commitment and a lot of selling.

 

Not for the head coaches. The assistants do all the work.

 

that's just not true.

[EhDubya]

Cowher, admittedly, is a pipe dream. Dungy has a great relationship with PSU and would fit in with the mission and ideals. Gruden would have more interest in PSU than you would think.. Wild card is Bob Stoops.

 

Al Golden is the cheapest, most logical outside hire. But if PSU can get an alum to donate 88mil for a hockey program, and another to get Cael Sanderson for hockey (and even Tambourini for LAX), then I think we can get some money to pay NFL-type levels. Question is, will they?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Ron Prince is available

[SpongeWorthy]

I really don't think being the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguar type teams of the world is more demanding than being the head coach at a place like Alabama.

[dew1679666265]

Cowher, admittedly, is a pipe dream. Dungy has a great relationship with PSU and would fit in with the mission and ideals. Gruden would have more interest in PSU than you would think.. Wild card is Bob Stoops.

 

Al Golden is the cheapest, most logical outside hire. But if PSU can get an alum to donate 88mil for a hockey program, and another to get Cael Sanderson for hockey (and even Tambourini for LAX), then I think we can get some money to pay NFL-type levels. Question is, will they?

 

Money isn't the issue, I don't think. Tennessee reportedly (that word being the key) had some level of interest in Gruden and Lovie Smith during their coaching search. I didn't think either were in any way realistic, but not because UT wouldn't pony up the money to get them - some booster definitely would. My skepticism there - and here - is whether the coaches would have interest in going the college route.

 

It's very different from the NFL and, whether you believe it's more or less time consuming, takes up a ton of time.

[dew1679666265]

I really don't think being the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguar type teams of the world is more demanding than being the head coach at a place like Alabama.

 

Yeah, not all colleges will be comparable to NFL teams, but I think the marquee ones probably are. Alabama, OSU, Penn State, Florida, Tennessee, LSU, USC, FSU, Miami, etc. would likely pretty easily be just as time consuming as an NFL job - just for different reasons.

[Derwood]

Cowher, admittedly, is a pipe dream. Dungy has a great relationship with PSU and would fit in with the mission and ideals. Gruden would have more interest in PSU than you would think.. Wild card is Bob Stoops.

 

Al Golden is the cheapest, most logical outside hire. But if PSU can get an alum to donate 88mil for a hockey program, and another to get Cael Sanderson for hockey (and even Tambourini for LAX), then I think we can get some money to pay NFL-type levels. Question is, will they?

 

keep in mind that PSU has been paying Paterno maybe 10% of what he's worth for all these years. Paterno makes his money on endorsements/products with his likeness, not his salary. I just don't see PSU breaking the bank for a "name" coach when they've never even sniffed $1 mil/year for a coach in their entire history

[fromthestretch]

how are recruiting trips nothing for head coaches? i guess i don't know how far away PSU goes for recruiting, but it's a pretty big time commitment and a lot of selling.

 

Not for the head coaches. The assistants do all the work.

 

that's just not true.

 

I wouldn't say the assistants do all the work, but at many schools they do a large majority of it. I'm sure there are some head coaches that like to be more involved than others, and for some, the level of involvement might depend on the recruit. But for the most part, there's usually an assistant coach that handles most of the legwork when it comes to recruiting.