Fukudome interest?

[Guest]

I read on my fantasy baseball league homepage that the Red Sox and Jocoby Ellsbury aren't getting along too well. Would there be any possibility or interest in swapping him and Fukudome. I havent watched him play that much so I don't know if he is someone we should be interested in anyway.

I'm not sure but I think he's on the DL, he's not young anymore but if I'm the Cubs I'd jump all over that. Trouble is that Fukudome's not really a CFer and they already have Cameron and Drew. I guess they could through him in LF.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I read on my fantasy baseball league homepage that the Red Sox and Jocoby Ellsbury aren't getting along too well. Would there be any possibility or interest in swapping him and Fukudome. I havent watched him play that much so I don't know if he is someone we should be interested in anyway.

I'm not sure but I think he's on the DL, he's not young anymore but if I'm the Cubs I'd jump all over that. Trouble is that Fukudome's not really a CFer and they already have Cameron and Drew. I guess they could through him in LF.

 

It might make more sense to move the oft injured Drew to DH and Fukudome to RF once Papis likely gone after this year.

[javy knows my name]

I read on my fantasy baseball league homepage that the Red Sox and Jocoby Ellsbury aren't getting along too well. Would there be any possibility or interest in swapping him and Fukudome. I havent watched him play that much so I don't know if he is someone we should be interested in anyway.

I'm honestly rather have Fukudome straight up

[sneakypower]

even factoring salary?

[javy knows my name]

even factoring salary?

No, but I figure we'd pay quite a bit of it in that situation, and I don't feel it's necessary for a guy who's not an upgrade, in my opinion

[biittner77]

even factoring salary?

No, but I figure we'd pay quite a bit of it in that situation, and I don't feel it's necessary for a guy who's not an upgrade, in my opinion

 

Isn't Ellsbury at least a decent CFer though? That would make it close to a lateral move which would be worth doing if it saved a couple million.

[Elrhino]

yeah theriots obp is abysmal, defense is mediocre, and is extremely inconsistent overall. But lets keep him. :good:

 

One more reason to fire Hendry.

 

I don't see how we get any prospects of quality back for Fukudome, it would basically require us paying all of his salary and with Ricketts that isnt going to happen. Also I don't expect that much back from Lilly as a rental, or an aging overpaid D-Lee rental, or any possible relievers.

 

With the economics of baseball shrinking teams are more likely to hold onto their prospects than trade them for a mediocre 4 month player.

 

On another note Rickets said he would address the team and the media after this weekend per the tribune. Hopefully Hendry gets chopped.

 

Amen, Hendry must be fired today. I don't know what Ricketts is waiting for and why it's gotta be in the TRIB. Is he waiting for the All-Star break? Why?

 

If I were Ricketts, I would do exactly what he's doing now.. keeping Hendry through the year and dumping salary to give the next GM as clean of a slate as possible. The one usefull trait Hendry has shown as a GM is as a trade negotiator. His parting gift to the Cubs will be getting the maximum value out of his junk. In the meantime, you'll have a better grasp of what your pool of potential GMs will look like once the season is over. The hiring of and transition over to the next GM will be the most important decision for this franchise for the next 5-7 years. It's too important to be done in a reactionary or emotional manner.

 

 

I would be all for dumping Kos for whatever we can get. Kosuke is not garbage, but his contract is.

[TruffleShuffle]

even factoring salary?

No, but I figure we'd pay quite a bit of it in that situation, and I don't feel it's necessary for a guy who's not an upgrade, in my opinion

 

Isn't Ellsbury at least a decent CFer though? That would make it close to a lateral move which would be worth doing if it saved a couple million.

 

i suppose he's adequate, but his reads just suck ass. he's certainly got the speed and physical tools to be a good CF, but he is just awful at reading the ball off the bat. there's a reason he shifted to left and mike cameron was put in center.

[Splendid Splinter]

even factoring salary?

No, but I figure we'd pay quite a bit of it in that situation, and I don't feel it's necessary for a guy who's not an upgrade, in my opinion

 

Isn't Ellsbury at least a decent CFer though? That would make it close to a lateral move which would be worth doing if it saved a couple million.

 

i suppose he's adequate, but his reads just suck ass. he's certainly got the speed and physical tools to be a good CF, but he is just awful at reading the ball off the bat. there's a reason he shifted to left and mike cameron was put in center.

 

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

[Guest]

even factoring salary?

No, but I figure we'd pay quite a bit of it in that situation, and I don't feel it's necessary for a guy who's not an upgrade, in my opinion

 

Isn't Ellsbury at least a decent CFer though? That would make it close to a lateral move which would be worth doing if it saved a couple million.

 

i suppose he's adequate, but his reads just suck ass. he's certainly got the speed and physical tools to be a good CF, but he is just awful at reading the ball off the bat. there's a reason he shifted to left and mike cameron was put in center.

 

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

As much as it pains me to say this, Jim Edmonds was better than both of them for the entire time he played.

 

Anyway, If Elsbury was on the Cubs he'd be the best defensive CF on the team, that's not saying that much though.

[javy knows my name]

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

As much as it pains me to say this, Jim Edmonds was better than both of them for the entire time he played.

It pains me to read that, because it's patently false.

[SouthSideRyan]

It pains me that it pains somebody to praise Jim Edmonds. It pains me to not.

[Guest]

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

As much as it pains me to say this, Jim Edmonds was better than both of them for the entire time he played.

It pains me to read that, because it's patently false.

Patently? I don't think so. It's really not even up for debate.

[javy knows my name]

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

As much as it pains me to say this, Jim Edmonds was better than both of them for the entire time he played.

It pains me to read that, because it's patently false.

Patently? I don't think so. It's really not even up for debate.

His ability to make flashy dives covered up his less-than-stellar range and his arm was average. He was by far the most fun to watch, though.

 

In my opinion, he was inferior to

Cameron

Torii

Jones

Crisp

 

I'm forgetting a few others.

[Sammy Sofa]

His ability to make flashy dives covered up his less-than-stellar range and his arm was average. He was by far the most fun to watch, though.

 

In my opinion, he was inferior to

Cameron

Torii

Jones

Crisp

 

I'm forgetting a few others.

 

Yeah, Edmond's dives were mostly the result of him having to save his own ass way too often in the OF. Fun to watch and impressive in their own way, sure, but ultimately there were guys who had, as you said, better range and better arms and were just smarter CFers.

[Rob]

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF. It's the reason why Carlos Beltran/Ichiro (probably would've been a CFer had it not been Cameron being there) and everyone that he played with were in LF or RF. When you get a CF that is as good defensively as Mike Cameron, you stick him at CF and figure out who will play LF/RF... You can probably argue that Cameron was the 2nd best CF defensively behind Andruw Jones in the past 15 years.

As much as it pains me to say this, Jim Edmonds was better than both of them for the entire time he played.

It pains me to read that, because it's patently false.

Patently? I don't think so. It's really not even up for debate.

 

Joe Morgan would probably agree with you.

 

So you should probably reconsider your position.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah that reason is Mike Cameron is AWESOME defensively in CF.

 

if by "is" you mean "was" then i agree 100%. he's 37 years old now and isn't fast any more.

[MWV]

Rumor has it the Cubs would be willing to eat part of Fukudome's contract in a trade:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/cubs-willing-to-eat-part-of-fukudome-contract.html

[Prizefight]

Rumor has it the Cubs would be willing to eat part of Fukudome's contract in a trade:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/cubs-willing-to-eat-part-of-fukudome-contract.html

 

Shocking that a team isn't going to play 20M plus for our 4th outfielder.

[mookie]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

Because they don't need to eat any of Lilly's contract to trade him, but they do Fukudome.

[mookie]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

Because they don't need to eat any of Lilly's contract to trade him, but they do Fukudome.

 

Right. That is pretty obvious. All I am saying is the Cubs will maximize their haul if they sent money along with Lilly.

[ScrubMD]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

Because they don't need to eat any of Lilly's contract to trade him, but they do Fukudome.

 

Right. That is pretty obvious. All I am saying is the Cubs will maximize their haul if they sent money along with Lilly.

 

Maybe they're trying to save money or something.

[mookie]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

Because they don't need to eat any of Lilly's contract to trade him, but they do Fukudome.

 

Right. That is pretty obvious. All I am saying is the Cubs will maximize their haul if they sent money along with Lilly.

 

Maybe they're trying to save money or something.

 

And yet they are comfortable eating a large portion of an outfielder's contract just because we have a guy named Tyler Colvin. These are the things that make me sad about Cubs management.

[dew1679666265]

If the Cubs are willing to eat part of Kosuke's contract, I see no reason why they can't eat the rest of Lilly's contract as well.

Because they don't need to eat any of Lilly's contract to trade him, but they do Fukudome.

 

Right. That is pretty obvious. All I am saying is the Cubs will maximize their haul if they sent money along with Lilly.

 

I'm not sure how much it would matter, though. He's well worth the money he'll make in the second half and his contract expires at the end of the year. It's not likely to be a burden for a team, so I don't know if the Cubs paying it would offer that much more incentive to throw in a better player.

 

If he was signed through next year, however, I definitely think it would behoove them to pay a large portion of his contract.