Fukudome interest?

[Bruno7481]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

[mookie]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

 

The more and more I look at the rumors, I am starting to get very worried the Cubs are simply looking to dump salary. I have been waiting for this deadline since the middle of last season. If we don't get any good young talent back for our talent, I am going to be pissed.

[erik316wttn]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

 

The more and more I look at the rumors, I am starting to get very worried the Cubs are simply looking to dump salary. I have been waiting for this deadline since the middle of last season. If we don't get any good young talent back for our talent, I am going to be pissed.

 

The problem though is that a lot of our guys are overpaid and not performing up to their contracts, making it very difficult to get any sort of return back for them.

 

I, for one, am totally ok with the salary dumps as it gives a new GM room to bring in new FA's.

[Guancous]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

 

The more and more I look at the rumors, I am starting to get very worried the Cubs are simply looking to dump salary. I have been waiting for this deadline since the middle of last season. If we don't get any good young talent back for our talent, I am going to be pissed.

 

The problem though is that a lot of our guys are overpaid and not performing up to their contracts, making it very difficult to get any sort of return back for them.

 

I, for one, am totally ok with the salary dumps as it gives a new GM room to bring in new FA's.

 

...Or make beneficial salary relief trades too.

[lumafia]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

 

The more and more I look at the rumors, I am starting to get very worried the Cubs are simply looking to dump salary. I have been waiting for this deadline since the middle of last season. If we don't get any good young talent back for our talent, I am going to be pissed.

 

I think it's pretty obvious that dumping salary is exactly what they are doing. It appears that the Cubs are willing to give Colvin the everyday shot in RF while hoping Jackson will continue to develop.

 

I know Kosuke is overpaid, but his .357 OBP and .787 OPS are still above average for OF's, and there are a few playoff contenders that have holes in the OF and at the top of their order. There has to be a market for him. It's just a matter of what Jim wants in return and few teams are going to allow us to dump salary on them without taking some back in return.

[italianocubsfan7]

Fukudome should at least bring back a plus-pitcher and lower level position player. But as some of the above posts state, I'm concerned that it will just be a salary dump. Fukudome for a Single-A second baseman and Cubs paying 3/4 of the salary...I can see it now.

[davearm2]

I think it's pretty obvious that dumping salary is exactly what they are doing.

Obvious based on all of the trades they've made this year?

 

This is still all writers making assumptions and educated guesses.

[mookie]

What do you think the market for Fukudome is? This was just posted by Olney:

 

Buster_ESPN Cubs are overseeing a search for Kosuke Fukudome deal, a way to move the outfielder and the $20 m. still owed to him.

3 minutes ago

 

Is there any hope to get a decent player back or do you think the Cubs are just looking to dump the salary. What is his value?

 

The more and more I look at the rumors, I am starting to get very worried the Cubs are simply looking to dump salary. I have been waiting for this deadline since the middle of last season. If we don't get any good young talent back for our talent, I am going to be pissed.

 

The problem though is that a lot of our guys are overpaid and not performing up to their contracts, making it very difficult to get any sort of return back for them.

 

I, for one, am totally ok with the salary dumps as it gives a new GM room to bring in new FA's.

 

Yeah, this is what scares me the most. I don't think this team really needs to be spending ANY money right now. We should be trying to stock the farm, evaluate what we have, and move on from there. I sincerely wish "the family" comes out and says that Cubs fans need to be patient for the next few years.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, this is what scares me the most. I don't think this team really needs to be spending ANY money right now. We should be trying to stock the farm, evaluate what we have, and move on from there. I sincerely wish "the family" comes out and says that Cubs fans need to be patient for the next few years.

 

They would get hammered if they came in, lost a ton of games in their first year, knocked $20-30m off payroll and simply traded salary for marginal prospects.

[Wolfgangbucks]

Heard Gammons on the Score today and he said that the Red Sox need help in the outfield and have some interest in Kosuke. Also said that the word is the Cubs have more interest in moving Fontenot at this point than they do Theriot :banghead:

[chasinf5s]

Heard Gammons on the Score today and he said that the Red Sox need help in the outfield and have some interest in Kosuke. Also said that the word is the Cubs have more interest in moving Fontenot at this point than they do Theriot :banghead:

 

All 3 are garbage but youre really not going to win anything to fontenot and Fuk playing everyday

[inari]

Kosuke's not really garbage.

[Geech]

Fontenot isn't really garbage either, although he's certainly a player with flaws.

[Guest]

I think a smart organization like the Rays or Red Sox who understand numbers would value Fukudome's skill set. I don't think he would fetch much though. Maybe something like a surefire relief pitcher or a low level guy with a lot of promise but poor results.

 

Fukudome would make an excellent top of the order hitter who set the table for the big boppers. He really is a valuable guy for the right club.

[XZero771679666304]

Boston makes a lot of sense.

[dew1679666265]

I think a smart organization like the Rays or Red Sox who understand numbers would value Fukudome's skill set. I don't think he would fetch much though. Maybe something like a surefire relief pitcher or a low level guy with a lot of promise but poor results.

 

Fukudome would make an excellent top of the order hitter who set the table for the big boppers. He really is a valuable guy for the right club.

 

I'm beginning to question more what we could get for Kosuke after originally thinking we should get a solid deal. The reason isn't because he's not a valuable player (he's very valuable), the problem is that he's just not highly valued by many teams.

 

The number of teams that would value Kosuke are pretty low, which decreases his market value. Most teams will look at his lower average and less than stellar slugging as a corner OF and determine he's overpaid and not valuable. Teams like the Red Sox and Rays would look at his OBP and defense mixed with enough slugging and see him for the valuable player he is.

 

I'd probably be more in favor of keeping him until at least the offseason, if not next year's trade deadline, and see if more teams will show interest with less money/years on his contract.

[dew1679666265]

Also said that the word is the Cubs have more interest in moving Fontenot at this point than they do Theriot :banghead:

 

That might actually be a good idea. Fontenot probably has much more value than Theriot right now and is far from a must-keep commodity for the Cubs. If there's more interest in Fontenot than Theriot, I'd definitely pursue the Fontenot interest and put Theriot on the backburner.

 

With his struggles this year, Theriot probably won't be seen as a "fix" for a team with a hole. Because of that, I'd guess we'd probably do better shopping him hard again in the offseason.

[davearm2]

I'm beginning to question more what we could get for Kosuke after originally thinking we should get a solid deal. The reason isn't because he's not a valuable player (he's very valuable), the problem is that he's just not highly valued by many teams.

 

The number of teams that would value Kosuke are pretty low, which decreases his market value. Most teams will look at his lower average and less than stellar slugging as a corner OF and determine he's overpaid and not valuable. Teams like the Red Sox and Rays would look at his OBP and defense mixed with enough slugging and see him for the valuable player he is.

 

I'd probably be more in favor of keeping him until at least the offseason, if not next year's trade deadline, and see if more teams will show interest with less money/years on his contract.

Yes the problem here is that most MLB front offices are less informed than your average messageboard poster.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Also said that the word is the Cubs have more interest in moving Fontenot at this point than they do Theriot :banghead:

 

That might actually be a good idea. Fontenot probably has much more value than Theriot right now and is far from a must-keep commodity for the Cubs. If there's more interest in Fontenot than Theriot, I'd definitely pursue the Fontenot interest and put Theriot on the backburner.

 

With his struggles this year, Theriot probably won't be seen as a "fix" for a team with a hole. Because of that, I'd guess we'd probably do better shopping him hard again in the offseason.

 

2B and SS are positions were offense is often hard to come by, and Theriot will never have a high OBP or SLG, but his average alone could make him attractive to a team looking for a 8 or 9 hitter. He has no business hitting leadoff, but you could do a lot worse than Theriot at the bottom of the order.

[dew1679666265]

Yes the problem here is that most MLB front offices are less informed than your average messageboard poster.

 

I said nothing about anyone being any more or less informed than anyone else. I said different front offices value different stats/methods of evaluation. Those who value OBP and defense, even for a right fielder, will value Kosuke more highly than others who value BA, SLG, RBI, whatever.

 

There tend to be more front offices that don't value OBP and defense in right field as highly as other stats and that hurts Kosuke's value.

[dew1679666265]

2B and SS are positions were offense is often hard to come by, and Theriot will never have a high OBP or SLG, but his average alone could make him attractive to a team looking for a 8 or 9 hitter. He has no business hitting leadoff, but you could do a lot worse than Theriot at the bottom of the order.

 

Theriot will definitely have value around the league, but I think if all he has is batting average to offer in a season, he'll need to be higher than a .276 average to garner much in a trade.

[questionmarkgrace]

yeah theriots obp is abysmal, defense is mediocre, and is extremely inconsistent overall. But lets keep him. :good:

 

One more reason to fire Hendry.

 

I don't see how we get any prospects of quality back for Fukudome, it would basically require us paying all of his salary and with Ricketts that isnt going to happen. Also I don't expect that much back from Lilly as a rental, or an aging overpaid D-Lee rental, or any possible relievers.

 

With the economics of baseball shrinking teams are more likely to hold onto their prospects than trade them for a mediocre 4 month player.

 

On another note Rickets said he would address the team and the media after this weekend per the tribune. Hopefully Hendry gets chopped.

[dew1679666265]

yeah theriots obp is abysmal, defense is mediocre, and is extremely inconsistent overall. But lets keep him. :good:

 

It's about maximizing his value. You don't do that by trading him when he's at one of his lowest points of value. I'm not in favor of keeping him because he's great, I'm in favor of keeping him because I think we can get a better return in the offseason.

 

One more reason to fire Hendry.

 

I don't see how we get any prospects of quality back for Fukudome, it would basically require us paying all of his salary and with Ricketts that isnt going to happen. Also I don't expect that much back from Lilly as a rental, or an aging overpaid D-Lee rental, or any possible relievers.

 

With the economics of baseball shrinking teams are more likely to hold onto their prospects than trade them for a mediocre 4 month player.

 

On another note Rickets said he would address the team and the media after this weekend per the tribune. Hopefully Hendry gets chopped.

 

Lilly's not mediocre.

 

In Hendry's shoes, I'd try hard to trade Lilly, Silva and Nady. I'd offer DLee arbitration in the offseason (the picks would likely be better than the return for him at his current production) and I'd try hard to move Theriot and Kosuke in the offseason (along with whoever else I couldn't trade at the deadline).

 

If Soriano hits another blistering streak before the deadline, a desperate team might bite if we pay enough of the contract (at least half, I'd say).

[Benchwarmer]

yeah theriots obp is abysmal, defense is mediocre, and is extremely inconsistent overall. But lets keep him. :good:

 

One more reason to fire Hendry.

 

I don't see how we get any prospects of quality back for Fukudome, it would basically require us paying all of his salary and with Ricketts that isnt going to happen. Also I don't expect that much back from Lilly as a rental, or an aging overpaid D-Lee rental, or any possible relievers.

 

With the economics of baseball shrinking teams are more likely to hold onto their prospects than trade them for a mediocre 4 month player.

 

On another note Rickets said he would address the team and the media after this weekend per the tribune. Hopefully Hendry gets chopped.

 

Amen, Hendry must be fired today. I don't know what Ricketts is waiting for and why it's gotta be in the TRIB. Is he waiting for the All-Star break? Why?

 

I thought with Pedroia out for Boston, that they would be interested in Theriot. And weren't the Twins interested in trading their #1 catching prospect for Cliff Lee? Why not offer Lilly?

[mike2482]

I read on my fantasy baseball league homepage that the Red Sox and Jocoby Ellsbury aren't getting along too well. Would there be any possibility or interest in swapping him and Fukudome. I havent watched him play that much so I don't know if he is someone we should be interested in anyway.