Umpire steals perfect game from Armando Galarraga

[Banedon]

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

So Galarraga should be screwed out of a perfect game that he rightfully earned because other people may use replay so they won't get screwed out of other things that they rightfully earned as well?

 

Really?

 

Yeah, I don't get that. How often does an ump completely blow the last out of a historically significant moment? And then completely fess up to messing it up? It's an incredibly unique situation, and if it opens up the door to getting more historically significant events correct when they are incorrectly blown by umps, well...I don't think that's a slippery slope that's too dangerous.

[SouthSideRyan]

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

So Galarraga should be screwed out of a perfect game that he rightfully earned because other people may use replay so they won't get screwed out of other things that they rightfully earned as well?

 

Really?

 

Yeah, I don't get that. How often does an ump completely blow the last out of a historically significant moment? And then completely fess up to messing it up? It's an incredibly unique situation, and if it opens up the door to getting more historically significant events correct when they are incorrectly blown by umps, well...I don't think that's a slippery slope that's too dangerous.

 

Can we retroactively take away the White Sox world series?

[Tracer Bullet]

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

So Galarraga should be screwed out of a perfect game that he rightfully earned because other people may use replay so they won't get screwed out of other things that they rightfully earned as well?

 

Really?

 

A - reading is good

 

B - calm the F down

 

C - I was disputing that this wouldn't or couldn't set a precedent. It's naive to think that someone (media, coaches, players, etc) wouldn't claim that some future event was historically significant and the commish should step in. AGAIN, I'm not saying Selig should or shouldn't do it here. Frankly, I don't care that much one way or the other, it's an interesting part of baseball history anyway. But it's certainly a decision not to be taken lightly, if you're the commissioner of baseball and not a complete moron.

[Banedon]

It really seems like everyone universally wants this reviewed and fixed...the player, the ump, the fans, the media...

 

There's no downside, and I don't think it would set a precedent for anything other than the final out of a perfect game.

 

and a no hitter. and a record breaking HR. and a 21 K game. and...

 

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it, but it's something that would be referenced for anything that someone wants reviewed by the commish in the future.

 

So Galarraga should be screwed out of a perfect game that he rightfully earned because other people may use replay so they won't get screwed out of other things that they rightfully earned as well?

 

Really?

 

Yeah, I don't get that. How often does an ump completely blow the last out of a historically significant moment? And then completely fess up to messing it up? It's an incredibly unique situation, and if it opens up the door to getting more historically significant events correct when they are incorrectly blown by umps, well...I don't think that's a slippery slope that's too dangerous.

 

Can we retroactively take away the White Sox world series?

 

See! No downside!

[Derwood]

I'd say the "home run" that the kid in leaned over and caught in the Yankees/Orioles playoff series was a far worse call than this

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It takes away from the experience of the game if you constantly have to wonder if what you saw happen will be what actually happened once the rewrites get a hold of it.

[erik316wttn]

It takes away from the experience of the game if you constantly have to wonder if what you saw happen will be what actually happened once the rewrites get a hold of it.

 

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

[chuckywang]

Just exactly who is hurt by overturning this call? I just read that fans are harassing Joyce's family over this. You think he wants that? You think he wants to be remembered forever as the guy who took a perfect game away? You think he wants to live with this guilt? Overturning that call not only saves Galarraga a perfect game he rightfully deserved, but also saves Joyce a lifetime of guilt. You guys say it's only a game, it's frivolous stuff. Tell that to Joyce's teary face as he walked out onto the field today.

[NCCubFan]

Yankees closer Mariano Rivera, after seeing a replay of the call Wednesday night at Yankee Stadium, said of about Joyce, "It happened to the best umpire we have in our game. The best. And a perfect gentleman. Obviously, it was a mistake. It was a perfect game. It's a shame for both of them, for the pitcher and for the umpire. But I'm telling you he is the best baseball has, and a great guy. It's just a shame."

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/06/02/joyces.missed.call/index.html?hpt=T2

 

Sorry Mo, but in this case making arguably the worst call in the history of the sport automatically disqualifies you from being the best.

Worst call, no. Unluckiest call (due to the timing), maybe. Calls that cost a team a rightful win are indisputably worse.

[champaignchris]

It takes away from the experience of the game if you constantly have to wonder if what you saw happen will be what actually happened once the rewrites get a hold of it.

 

They nullify multiple innings in rain-outs all the time, which is why the first official home run hit during a night game at Wrigley (Lenny Dykstra) isn't actually the first home run hit during a night game at Wrigley (Phil Bradley, the night before). For some reason, it's always particularly bothered me when a guy gets hurt while playing a game that gets wiped out by the rain.

 

Everyone remembers the "pine tar incident" and George Brett flipping out. What they don't remember is that the Royals played the rest of the game under protest and AL President Lee MacPhail reversed the ump's decision. The last two outs of the game were wiped out, and the remainder of the game was replayed about three weeks later. The change from a win to a loss, moved the Yankees from a game behind the Orioles to two games behind the Orioles as of July 24. The Orioles ended up winning the division by 6 games.

[Outshined_One]

See! No downside!

 

The 1985 St. Louis Cardinals make me disagree.

[Banedon]

See! No downside!

 

The 1985 St. Louis Cardinals make me disagree.

 

Make them replay the game with the original players.

[daske17]

See! No downside!

 

The 1985 St. Louis Cardinals make me disagree.

 

Make them replay the game with the original players.

 

I'm sure they would push to include Pujols since he was only 24 in 1985.

[cubfan]

If they over turn this, they need to take a closer look at the perfect game that Milt Pappas lost in 72. To be honest, I think they should change the call and give him a perfect game but I can understand why they will not.

[Banedon]

If they over turn this, they need to take a closer look at the perfect game that Milt Pappas lost in 72. To be honest, I think they should change the call and give him a perfect game but I can understand why they will not.

 

Selig said yesterday that they won't be overturning the Galarraga call.

[17 Seconds]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

[cubfan]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

Two games would fall under this rule though. Milt Pappas game was not as bad as the blown call at 1st but what could have been his final pitch sure looked like a strike on replay.

[daske17]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

One of the little details that came out of this story I found most shocking was Fay Vincent throwing out hundreds of no-hitters in the record book.

 

Anyone have information on how or why this happened without backlash?

[SouthSideRyan]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

Two games would fall under this rule though. Milt Pappas game was not as bad as the blown call at 1st but what could have been his final pitch sure looked like a strike on replay.

 

Strike zone is subjective, and the pitches were borderline. And Milt Pappas needs to stfu.

[cubfan]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

Two games would fall under this rule though. Milt Pappas game was not as bad as the blown call at 1st but what could have been his final pitch sure looked like a strike on replay.

 

Strike zone is subjective, and the pitches were borderline. And Milt Pappas needs to stfu.

 

Yes, but this would be the kind of door that could be opened by reversing the call and I understand why they will not do it. Also just wanted to point out that this is not the first time someone has lost a perfect game with 2 outs in the 9th on a questionable call.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

One of the little details that came out of this story I found most shocking was Fay Vincent throwing out hundreds of no-hitters in the record book.

 

Anyone have information on how or why this happened without backlash?

 

They standardized the rule on what counts as an "official" no-hitter. Guys were getting credit for no-hitters in 5-inning, rain-shortened games and games where they gave up hits in extra innings. Also, the stupid game where Babe Ruth walked a guy, got thrown out for arguing the call, and his replacement came in and got 26 straight outs after a caught stealing. That guy used to get credit for a "perfect game."

 

The one thing I hate about the new rules that you can't get credit for a no-hitter if you lose. So if you lose 1-0 on a hitless run, you don't get your no-hitter.

[erik316wttn]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

One of the little details that came out of this story I found most shocking was Fay Vincent throwing out hundreds of no-hitters in the record book.

 

Anyone have information on how or why this happened without backlash?

 

They standardized the rule on what counts as an "official" no-hitter. Guys were getting credit for no-hitters in 5-inning, rain-shortened games and games where they gave up hits in extra innings. Also, the stupid game where Babe Ruth walked a guy, got thrown out for arguing the call, and his replacement came in and got 26 straight outs after a caught stealing. That guy used to get credit for a "perfect game."

 

The one thing I hate about the new rules that you can't get credit for a no-hitter if you lose. So if you lose 1-0 on a hitless run, you don't get your no-hitter.

 

Actually I think that one should still count.

[Garwilly]

The one thing I hate about the new rules that you can't get credit for a no-hitter if you lose. So if you lose 1-0 on a hitless run, you don't get your no-hitter.

 

You absolutely can get a no hitter while taking a loss. Ken Johnson pitched nine no hit innings as the home pitcher, gave up a run, and got credit for the no hitter.

 

The issue is when a visiting pitcher throws 8 no hit innings, and the home teams doesn't need to bat in the 9th. These don't count under the current rules because the pitcher only throws 8 innings. The loss has nothing to do with it.

[chuckywang]

selig should have just sacked up and made a "a play can be reviewed and overturned by the commisioner if it is the potential final out of a perfect game" rule

 

One of the little details that came out of this story I found most shocking was Fay Vincent throwing out hundreds of no-hitters in the record book.

 

Anyone have information on how or why this happened without backlash?

 

They standardized the rule on what counts as an "official" no-hitter. Guys were getting credit for no-hitters in 5-inning, rain-shortened games and games where they gave up hits in extra innings. Also, the stupid game where Babe Ruth walked a guy, got thrown out for arguing the call, and his replacement came in and got 26 straight outs after a caught stealing. That guy used to get credit for a "perfect game."

 

The one thing I hate about the new rules that you can't get credit for a no-hitter if you lose. So if you lose 1-0 on a hitless run, you don't get your no-hitter.

 

Actually I think that one should still count.

 

No hitter? Absolutely.

 

Perfect game? No. I have no problem with either Shore's or Haddix's place in history.

[NCCubFan]

A rain-shortened game should count as a no-hitter. A game that goes 8 1/2 innings because the home team doesn't need the bottom of the 9th should be a no-hitter. Basically, it seems very simple to me. If a game goes in the books as an official game (regardless of length) and a team gives up no hits than it's a no-hitter. And if a team gives up no base runners it's a perfect game. But if a team gives up no hits through 9 innings, then gives up a hit in extra innings (e.g. Haddix, Hippo Vaughn) then it should not be a no-hitter. However, I don't think a player should lose credit for what was recognized at the time as a no-hitter or perfect game because of a change in rules. New rules should apply to the future, not retroactively to the past.