Castro vs. Heyward

[EhDubya]

Obviously, they bring different things to the table, but it will be interesting to see who has the better rookie campaign from this point. Does anyone want to go on record in ROY predictions, or at least who finishes with more votes?

 

Whats maddening to me is that we could be enjoying having both of these guys right now.

[OleMissCub]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

[Little Slide Rooter]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

 

Wow, I didnt realise that Heyward was ligting it up like that. I guess its because he plays in Atlanta. Hell, there are still people who dont know who the hell Chipper Jones is. Same goes for Minnesota. Everyone knows Mauer by now, but they have a lot of other guys who are not well known due to the small market. Justin Morneau, for instance is fairly well known, but put him on the Cubs, Yankees, Mets etc and hed be a household name. I guess we should just be glad Heyward isnt a Cardinal.

[NCCubFan]

There's a reason that just about everybody chose Heyward as their wild card pick in the home run derby.

[NonProfitCow]

There's also David Freese hitting .344 .402 .510 .912 141OPS+ and Jaime Garcia who is 3-1 1.13 ERA and 1.00 WHIP. Not to mention Strasburg is going to be called up sometime.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

Um... .400/.400/1.400/1.800, 337 OPS+

[TruffleShuffle]

freese is going to be a great player... if he can keep up that .423 BABIP.

[EhDubya]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

 

As for the power numbers, no kidding, thats why I said 'they bring different things to the table'. But he could certainly match or surpass some of Heyward's #'s, like avg and obp.

 

For the record, I don't think Castro will get more ROY votes then JHey, but thats why I asked if anyone else thought it would be possible. If Castro ends up with a respectable avg, good obp, gg-type defense, and is a league leader in something like triples, stolen bases or something, I could see the media drinking the kool-aid. He plays a premium position, afterall.

[TruffleShuffle]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

 

As for the power numbers, no kidding, thats why I said 'they bring different things to the table'. But he could certainly match or surpass some of Heyward's #'s, like avg and obp.

 

For the record, I don't think Castro will get more ROY votes then JHey, but thats why I asked if anyone else thought it would be possible. If Castro ends up with a respectable avg, good obp, gg-type defense, and is a league leader in something like triples, stolen bases or something, I could see the media drinking the kool-aid. He plays a premium position, afterall.

 

that doesn't really matter to the voters. ryan braun won the RoY in 2007 even though tulowitzki had good offense and great defense at a premium position. braun had great offense but he gave away almost 30 runs with his defense. tulo was clearly the better player that year and he didn't win the award.

 

i don't think heyward will OPS over 1.000 but he's got to be the runaway favorite at this point.

[Clem Fandango]

Let's not forget that Mike Stanton might also be called up soon. There are rumors he may make it up before thew end of the month. He's making Starlin Castro's AA numbers look like crap...

 

.340/.477/.840/1.317 14HR 31RBI 27R through 27 games. 22 of his 34 hits have been for extra bases.

 

I think he'll struggle moreso than destroy the ball at the MLB level though for some reason, but still that kid is going to turn some heads one way or another if he's called up.

[SouthSideRyan]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

 

As for the power numbers, no kidding, thats why I said 'they bring different things to the table'. But he could certainly match or surpass some of Heyward's #'s, like avg and obp.

 

For the record, I don't think Castro will get more ROY votes then JHey, but thats why I asked if anyone else thought it would be possible. If Castro ends up with a respectable avg, good obp, gg-type defense, and is a league leader in something like triples, stolen bases or something, I could see the media drinking the kool-aid. He plays a premium position, afterall.

 

that doesn't really matter to the voters. ryan braun won the RoY in 2007 even though tulowitzki had good offense and great defense at a premium position. braun had great offense but he gave away almost 30 runs with his defense. tulo was clearly the better player that year and he didn't win the award.

 

i don't think heyward will OPS over 1.000 but he's got to be the runaway favorite at this point.

 

Braun over Tulo had a lot more to do with voters not knowing how to properly evaluate Coors stats

[OleMissCub]

 

Braun over Tulo had a lot more to do with voters not knowing how to properly evaluate Coors stats

 

that was the same season that Rollins and his wimpy 119 OPS+ won a questionable (at least imo) MVP over Holliday. Folks hated on the Rox that season I guess.

 

btw, Rollins' 119 was the worst OPS+ for an MVP winner since Zoilo Versalles won it in 1965.

 

and while we are on the topic of Rollins that season, him winning the gold glove over Tulo was a joke too. Tulo had one of the highest rated defensive years ever that season according to the metrics.

[Formerly Snayke]

"JRoll" had to be one of the worst MVP selections ever. I think what made me roll my eyes to the back of my head was that it came the year after voters lazily gave Howard the MVP when neither of them were even the MVPs of their own team.

 

What's a shame for Utley is that he's 10 times the player Howard is and he'll only continue making about half of what he gets, even when Howard becomes a platoon-hitting DH.

[OleMissCub]

The thing about Rollins' selection was that it seemed to come out of nowhere as I recall. It seemed like a month before the season was over, ESPN really started homering for him big time. Maybe I made this up in my head, but I swear I can remember that.

[Guest]

and while we are on the topic of Rollins that season, him winning the gold glove over Tulo was a joke too. Tulo had one of the highest rated defensive years ever that season according to the metrics.

 

Tulowitzki was 3rd in the NL in UZR that year. I mean, Rollins was in a distant 5th, but it's Vizquel who had a right to pissed.

[OleMissCub]

and while we are on the topic of Rollins that season, him winning the gold glove over Tulo was a joke too. Tulo had one of the highest rated defensive years ever that season according to the metrics.

 

Tulowitzki was 3rd in the NL in UZR that year. I mean, Rollins was in a distant 5th, but it's Vizquel who had a right to pissed.

 

I don't recall the UZR, but I just remember that his FRAR that year was higher than any of Ozzie Smith's seasons except for one or something like that.

[rocket]

just put it this way. jason heyward's ceiling is one of the top 20 baseball players of all time. starlin castro's ceiling is to be a very good shortstop.

[Deder]

that doesn't really matter to the voters. ryan braun won the RoY in 2007 even though tulowitzki had good offense and great defense at a premium position. braun had great offense but he gave away almost 30 runs with his defense. tulo was clearly the better player that year and he didn't win the award

 

This is still highly debatable as defensive statistics do not become meaningful over a single season and Tulo had the advantage of Coors. Braun's defense probably really was that bad at 3B but Tulo's defense has turned out to be a bit of a fluke that season. You also have to keep in mind Tulo played a full season and Braun didn't and it does make a little bit of a difference to the voters. Finally I doubt the voters take positional adjustments into account which something like WAR does. That was a very close race that is hard to complain about either way it went.

 

I don't think Castro has much of a shot unless Heyward gets hurt.

[ConstableRabbit]

considering that Castro has only had one game and Heyward is hitting .294/.413/.624/1.037, 173 OPS+ with 8 HR and 26 RBI after 27 games....

 

Even in our wildest dreams Castro just isn't going to put up numbers similar to that.

 

Wow, I didnt realise that Heyward was ligting it up like that. I guess its because he plays in Atlanta. Hell, there are still people who dont know who the hell Chipper Jones is. Same goes for Minnesota. Everyone knows Mauer by now, but they have a lot of other guys who are not well known due to the small market. Justin Morneau, for instance is fairly well known, but put him on the Cubs, Yankees, Mets etc and hed be a household name. I guess we should just be glad Heyward isnt a Cardinal.

And yet, Aramis is rarely mentioned when discussing the best 3Bs in the league....

 

(and yes, I know he looks like crap this year but still)

[imb]

"Is Jason Heyward gonna have to hit a pitch?" is the best sportscenter call in the history of the world

[javy knows my name]

"Is Jason Heyward gonna have to hit a pitch?" is the best sportscenter call in the history of the world

I picture Stuart Scott saying this, but I don't think he's capable of saying something so funny.

 

Rocket kinda beat me, but I was gonna say that the difference between the two is that Heyward will be a perennial MVP candidate until about age 32 and Castro...won't.

[SouthSideRyan]

starlin castro's ceiling is to be a very good shortstop.

 

That's not really accurate.

[rocket]

starlin castro's ceiling is to be a very good shortstop.

 

That's not really accurate.

 

ok. how?

[SouthSideRyan]

starlin castro's ceiling is to be a very good shortstop.

 

That's not really accurate.

 

ok. how?

 

Depends on your definition of very good I guess, but if you're willing to put Heyward's ceiling as absurdly high as the 20th best player of all time, I don't think it's outrageous to say Castro can be better than "very good"

[biittner77]

A player's ceiling has nothing to do with ROY either, unless they reach it during their 1st season. Didn't Jerome Walton win ROY?