Bulls Offseason Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

haha, yeah, they may leave an off-color stain on the sidewalk, careful not to offend.

 

it's okay, though, apparently they have celtic fans to do all of worrying for them.

[hawkeyecub]

If Rose keeps improving, which he should, we won't be headed to NBA hell.

 

If you miss out on the free agents you look like the poor man's Eastern Conference version of the Jazz with weaker role players.

[Magnetic Curses]

this was bothering me. i fixed it for you.

 

somewhat shaky? Flames is only expressing doubt at a reporter's basis for a story. You seem to have doubt as well.

 

What? I'm saying it's somewhat shaky to assume the reporter's story is based on reliable information. Flames is saying that can't possibly be true, Derrick Rose is a genius

 

When asked about LeBron and Bosh a week ago, Rose said, "They would be fools not to come here."

 

I'll trust that over anything a Cavs source has to say about our situation.

[SouthSideRyan]

somewhat shaky? Flames is only expressing doubt at a reporter's basis for a story. You seem to have doubt as well.

 

What? I'm saying it's somewhat shaky to assume the reporter's story is based on reliable information. Flames is saying that can't possibly be true, Derrick Rose is a genius

 

When asked about LeBron and Bosh a week ago, Rose said, "They would be fools not to come here."

 

I'll trust that over anything a Cavs source has to say about our situation.

 

Maybe Lebron didn't appreciate being called a fool by a guy who can't spell his own name.

Edited July 6, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[SouthSideRyan]

haha, yeah, they may leave an off-color stain on the sidewalk, careful not to offend.

 

it's okay, though, apparently they have celtic fans to do all of worrying for them.

 

I laughed.

[Magnetic Curses]

If Rose keeps improving, which he should, we won't be headed to NBA hell.

 

If you miss out on the free agents you look like the poor man's Eastern Conference version of the Jazz with weaker role players.

 

i wish we had a superstar like the jazz do.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Rose keeps improving, which he should, we won't be headed to NBA hell.

 

If you miss out on the free agents you look like the poor man's Eastern Conference version of the Jazz with weaker role players.

 

And a weaker point guard. Of course, if the Jazz don't adequately replace Boozer, then they're probably worse than the Bulls.

 

Well and considering worst case has the Bulls getting Boozer or the Boozer like Lee, then they'd clearly be worse.

[Magnetic Curses]

If Rose keeps improving, which he should, we won't be headed to NBA hell.

 

If you miss out on the free agents you look like the poor man's Eastern Conference version of the Jazz with weaker role players.

 

And a weaker point guard. Of course, if the Jazz don't adequately replace Boozer, then they're probably worse than the Bulls.

 

pretty much.

[RedFlash]

Apparently to alot of Cavs fans, Windhorst is not only a homer but he is also a credible source for all things James/Cleveland related. While that may be true, I really doubt he knows what Rose or anybody associated with the Bulls would say about James. I have no doubt Windhorst may have heard that Rose may preferred Johnson, but I doubt he it heard from Rose or anybody associated with Rose.

 

All this can be cleared up with one Lebron James to Derrick Rose phone call. And we know James likes to call Rose.

[Guest]

My understanding has always been that Windhorst is an extremely well-regarded reporter, one of the best covering the NBA. I don't know about the validity of his sources, or if the whole LeBron deal has caused him to get carried away, but he's not Chip Brown.

[Guest]

Why are we pretending to ignore what the Cavs beat writer is saying? Odds are, he's built some good relationships/sources with James' inner circle over the past 6 years. And if they have the impression that Rose doesn't want Lebron in Chicago, that's worse than whatever Rose actually is thinking and mumbling, even if it's to the contrary.

 

But I thought the WWW stuff was the worst news seeing as the new head coach is WWW-related and Rose has WWW ties.

 

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

[Banedon]

Nobody's ignoring it...just taking with a healthy dose of skepticism, which I think is a good way to read all of this free agency news at this point...no matter the author.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

I've been surprised to read so little about this in the thread. I wasn't around much over the weekend, but ESPN really seemed to be playing up the kids angle with regards to Wade. Do you all just view this as posturing? Seems like kind of a scumbag thing to bring up if he wasn't serious about coming to Chicago.

[Flames24Rulz]

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

That's my hope.

[C.C.]

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

That's my hope.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Players understandably love money.

[Flames24Rulz]

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

That's my hope.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Players understandably love money.

 

I'm really not counting on anything anymore.

[jersey cubs fan]

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

That's my hope.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Players understandably love money.

 

It's not like he'd be forever missing out on all the money, correct? I mean, theoretically there's no reason why he couldn't make it back in his next deal. If a guy signs a deal that takes him into his early 30's, he should be able to sign another before his career is ending. Becoming a free agent one year earlier in your 30's, as opposed to one year closer to your mid 30's should be somewhat beneficial. Maybe he won't make it all back, but a significant amount.

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's hope Wade loves his kids enough to ditch $30 million and bring Bosh along.

 

That's my hope.

 

I wouldn't count on it. Players understandably love money.

 

It's not like he'd be forever missing out on all the money, correct? I mean, theoretically there's no reason why he couldn't make it back in his next deal. If a guy signs a deal that takes him into his early 30's, he should be able to sign another before his career is ending. Becoming a free agent one year earlier in your 30's, as opposed to one year closer to your mid 30's should be somewhat beneficial. Maybe he won't make it all back, but a significant amount.

 

I think fans (and players) are understandably concerned about what the landscape will be back after the new CBA. You take the guaranteed 30M now, in case the CBA turns that into 15M should he sign for 5 years. That and Wade relies heavily on driving and getting to the free throw line, it's not out of the question that he could be a beaten down Tracy McGrady in 5 years

[jersey cubs fan]

I think fans (and players) are understandably concerned about what the landscape will be back after the new CBA. You take the guaranteed 30M now, in case the CBA turns that into 15M should he sign for 5 years. That and Wade relies heavily on driving and getting to the free throw line, it's not out of the question that he could be a beaten down Tracy McGrady in 5 years

 

That's true. And if the question was $30m or nothing, you obviously take the $30m now. But if you already have the FU money guaranteed, there's plenty of reason to consider gambling the rest, and plenty of opportunity to make it all back.

[Guest]

I'm not really following the opportunity to win it all back. Is it a "he still has years left to play" thing? Because the opportunity to sign that higher FA contract doesn't get replaced by a greater opportunity later on if he signs with a new team. Endorsements maybe? I'm not following the train of thought.

[C.C.]

I think fans (and players) are understandably concerned about what the landscape will be back after the new CBA. You take the guaranteed 30M now, in case the CBA turns that into 15M should he sign for 5 years. That and Wade relies heavily on driving and getting to the free throw line, it's not out of the question that he could be a beaten down Tracy McGrady in 5 years

 

That's true. And if the question was $30m or nothing, you obviously take the $30m now. But if you already have the FU money guaranteed, there's plenty of reason to consider gambling the rest, and plenty of opportunity to make it all back.

 

How would he make it back if after 5 years he's not worthy of a 30 million dollar contract?

[mul21]

I'm not really following the opportunity to win it all back. Is it a "he still has years left to play" thing? Because the opportunity to sign that higher FA contract doesn't get replaced by a greater opportunity later on if he signs with a new team. Endorsements maybe? I'm not following the train of thought.

 

The 6th year he doesn't get from the Bulls he'll be paid for in the first year of his next contract. Like he said, it may only be $15 million at that point, but he'll still get a chunk of it back.

[Guest]

I'm not really following the opportunity to win it all back. Is it a "he still has years left to play" thing? Because the opportunity to sign that higher FA contract doesn't get replaced by a greater opportunity later on if he signs with a new team. Endorsements maybe? I'm not following the train of thought.

 

The 6th year he doesn't get from the Bulls he'll be paid for in the first year of his next contract. Like he said, it may only be $15 million at that point, but he'll still get a chunk of it back.

 

Even without the CBA/extra year gamble, the AAV of the contract is higher, right? He can't get that money back.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not really following the opportunity to win it all back. Is it a "he still has years left to play" thing? Because the opportunity to sign that higher FA contract doesn't get replaced by a greater opportunity later on if he signs with a new team. Endorsements maybe? I'm not following the train of thought.

 

The 6th year he doesn't get from the Bulls he'll be paid for in the first year of his next contract. Like he said, it may only be $15 million at that point, but he'll still get a chunk of it back.

 

Even without the CBA/extra year gamble, the AAV of the contract is higher, right? He can't get that money back.

 

Huh? Isn't that money 6th year money? It's going to be paid in the 2015-2016 season, whether it's from a contract signed today or one signed 5 years from now.

[Tracer Bullet]

If you assume Wade plays until some certain age that's beyond the contract he signs with either the Bulls or the Heat, he'll get paid for that extra year with the Heat eventually. Whether it's what he could make now or not (or more) is only a question of (a) whether he's still a max player at the end of the contract he signs this summer and (b) what the $/year value is for contracts when he's due in 2015-16.