Bulls Offseason Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

Krause - 6 rings

Angelo - 0 rings you lose again, RedFlash

 

If that how you get throught the day, is taking pot shots at me, then fine, but at least do it with some creativiity, and not as if you are still in 8th grade. Otherwise, I might confuse you with a White Sox fan.

 

the fact remains, regrettably. jerry krause is the best gm in chicago sports history. unfortunately, no one comes even close enough to compare.

[SpongeWorthy]

Krause - 6 rings

Angelo - 0 rings

 

 

you lose again, RedFlash

Six to nothing is a tough one to overcome, but in general I agree with his statement that success isn't the only measure of a GM's job. It wouldn't take a great GM to build a championship basketball team that already has Jordan as a foundation. Success in the NBA is largely driven by great players and Krause inherited one heck of a head start on success. So his point there is well taken.

 

However, I think Krause did a great job putting together those two teams and isn't getting enough credit from some for the moves he made there. After all, in the period of two seasons, he completely remade the original threepeat team into something new and better. He does have to get marked down for his hand in breaking up a team that could have had one or two more great years and then fumbling the ball badly trying to rebuild.

 

But Angelo? Really? Hendry or Kenny Williams would have been better choices.

 

If I had to pick someone to run up there against Krause, I'd probably go back to Dallas Green. In his fairly short stint with the Cubs, he put together a team that could have won it all and built the foundations for future years by building up the minors and bringing in young talent like Sandberg. If you want to go with the Bears, Vanisi would be a much better choice for putting together the truly great Bears teams in the mid-late 80's.

 

I wouldn't say he completely remade the original 3 peat team. I mean he still had Jordan, Pippen, and Jackson. That's 90% of the equation right there.

 

Auerbach going from the Cousy/Russell era to the Cowens/Havlicek era to the Bird/Mchale era would be an example of someone completely remaking a team.

 

the only players to get six rings are jordan and pippen though. i'm not even sure if anyone else has more than 3.

 

If Jud Buechler and Dickey Simpkins were the only 90s Bulls to get 6 rings and Krause found two different sets of superstars to win 3 each then I'd give him his due for completely rebuilding the team.

 

You've got Jordan, Pippen, and Jackson. It shouldn't be that hard to build a contender.

 

On the other hand, it was Krause who brought in Pippen and Jackson in the first place. And they both came from way off the beaten path too.

[imb]

kind of getting off the point. no one is saying he was amazing or the greatest ever or in the top 10 all time or something, just he's the best in chicago's history. the competition isn't real sharp.

[Magnetic Curses]

yeah, didn't krause find jackson coaching the albany patroons of the cba?

 

and the pippen thing was sheer genius. there are no dynasties without great players, so you can't hold the fact that krause had great players against him. he did no wrong until the end, and then he just kind of went mad. if he'd have hung onto brand, miller, and artest, the bulls would have been competitive a lot sooner, and he's the guy that brought all of them in. stupid teenagers and jalen rose.

[SpongeWorthy]

Jerry Vanisi is being overlooked here. The teams he built were so good for a number of years (in an extremely competitive NFC) that it's pretty much considered a disappointment that the Bears only won one Super Bowl.

 

The 84-88 Bears had the best 5 year regular season record in NFL history and that was at a time when the Niners, Giants, and Redskins were at the height of their powers under Walsh, Parcells, and Gibbs.

[UMFan83]

This thread sucks so far.

[SpongeWorthy]

yeah, didn't krause find jackson coaching the albany patroons of the cba?

 

and the pippen thing was sheer genius. there are no dynasties without great players, so you can't hold the fact that krause had great players against him. he did no wrong until the end, and then he just kind of went mad. if he'd have hung onto brand, miller, and artest, the bulls would have been competitive a lot sooner, and he's the guy that brought all of them in. stupid teenagers and jalen rose.

 

He actually coached in the Puerto Rican league after the CBA and before the Bulls.

 

David Halberstam's book on MJ goes into pretty good detail on the history of Krause, Jackson, Pippen, and a bunch of others.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jerry Vanisi is being overlooked here. The teams he built were so good for a number of years (in an extremely competitive NFC) that it's pretty much considered a disappointment that the Bears only won one Super Bowl.

 

The 84-88 Bears had the best 5 year regular season record in NFL history and that was at a time when the Niners, Giants, and Redskins were at the height of their powers under Walsh, Parcells, and Gibbs.

 

yeah, but they broke my little elementary school-heart so many times that i can't do it.

[Guest]

Jerry Vanisi is being overlooked here. The teams he built were so good for a number of years (in an extremely competitive NFC) that it's pretty much considered a disappointment that the Bears only won one Super Bowl.

 

The 84-88 Bears had the best 5 year regular season record in NFL history and that was at a time when the Niners, Giants, and Redskins were at the height of their powers under Walsh, Parcells, and Gibbs.

Did you not get that far in my earlier post that you criticized?

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes, I read that part. Next time I'll footnote all my posts.

 

I was mainly responding to the idea that no one in Chicago history comes close to to Krause.

[WrigleyField 22]

Rofl at the part of criticizing Krause for listening to his scouts.

[SouthSideRyan]

never say PJax again

 

ever

 

It's CPJ

[Guest]

Bulls to fire Del Negro tomorrow.

 

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66329/20100503/bulls_to_fire_del_negro_tuesday/

[Banedon]

Bulls to fire Del Negro tomorrow.

 

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/66329/20100503/bulls_to_fire_del_negro_tuesday/

 

Tribune this morning said Tuesday was likely as well.

[Derwood]

firing VDN is half the battle.....actually hiring a good coach is the important part

[Banedon]

you don't give him credit for trading Will Purdue for Dennis Rodman?

 

No, I don't. Everybody and their mama's would had made the move on behalf of the Bulls. So it's not as if Krause "found" Rodman, SA gave him to the Bulls. So what credit is there to be had when another team essentially hands you a player?

 

I'm late the conversation, and I might regret bringing this back up, but how about the move that made Purdue expendable? Stacey King for Luc Longley?

[Flames24Rulz]

I can't believe I'm saying this considering my position on VDN a couple of months ago. But if we hire a guy like Dwayne Casey or some other trash, this move completely sucks.

 

Please hire somebody like Avery Johnson, JVG, Byron Scott, or of course Phil (if he becomes available). Better yet, wait until July to make a hire so the max FA can have the final say as to who we should hire.

[17 Seconds]

vdn gone

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgHijKqQSJkKexYkwsxURCM5nYcB?slug=aw-delnegrofired050310

[SpongeWorthy]

JVG and Byron Scott play slow. I wouldn't mind them if we had some assurance they weren't going to play at some crawling pace.

 

You'd think Scott would be all about the up tempo game considering he played on the Showtime Lakers.

[davell]

I think we have to wait Phil out and see if he's a possibility. It'd give us a much better shot at landing a bigtime FA, if you ask me. I don't know if I see another possible hire out there that you can say that about either.(Calipari possibly? I can't stand him, but he has the WWW connections for sure) The key here is whether or not Reinsdorf wants to part with the money to get him.

[Flames24Rulz]

I think we have to wait Phil out and see if he's a possibility. It'd give us a much better shot at landing a bigtime FA, if you ask me. I don't know if I see another possible hire out there that you can say that about either.(Calipari possibly? I can't stand him, but he has the WWW connections for sure) The key here is whether or not Reinsdorf wants to part with the money to get him.

 

I think we have to wait until July 1st no matter what.

[Keener98]

Man, I really really hate John Calipari, but there are quite a few very good reasons to try and get him to leave Kentucky for the Bulls. Lebron being the number 1 reason. Lebron is telling kids to go there, so you have to think if Calipari comes here, the Bulls shoot to the top of Lebrons list. Also the fact that Calipari is tied to World Wide Wes, who every star player seems to love, is another reason. Those 2 reasons alone may be enough to validate hiring Calipari, and thats without even mentioning his ties to DRose.

 

Ugh I hate that slimeball, but he definitely would be intriguing as hell for the Bulls. With that said, I only see him leaving Kentucky if Lebron guarantees him he will sign with the Bulls if he does, so who knows how realistic it is.

[Soul]

Man, I really really hate John Calipari, but there are quite a few very good reasons to try and get him to leave Kentucky for the Bulls. Lebron being the number 1 reason. Lebron is telling kids to go there, so you have to think if Calipari comes here, the Bulls shoot to the top of Lebrons list. Also the fact that Calipari is tied to World Wide Wes, who every star player seems to love, is another reason. Those 2 reasons alone may be enough to validate hiring Calipari, and thats without even mentioning his ties to DRose.

 

Ugh I hate that slimeball, but he definitely would be intriguing as hell for the Bulls. With that said, I only see him leaving Kentucky if Lebron guarantees him he will sign with the Bulls if he does, so who knows how realistic it is.

 

Yeah, I know nothing about how Calipari would work out as Bulls coach, but I can tell you whether or not I personally like him means very little.

[Magnetic Curses]

my problem with cal stems from him being a scumbag at the college level. i would never want his like coaching the illini, but i have no problem with him as the bulls coach. especially if he scores a player like lebron.

[Soul]

I welcome the scumbag who lands Lebron. We aren't looking to win any good samaritan contests :)