Minor League Discussion & Boxes 4-19-10

[Keener98]

seriously terrified of losing some of these guys as hendry's last nutshot before he's gone

 

That seems like an irrational fear.

 

Why? Its completely rational. Hendry is on the hot seat, and the major league club has sucked. Hes going to try saving his ass somehow, and about the only way he can is to trade the "kids" for some experienced veteran ballplayers to help the major league club. I'd say there is a very good chance at Hendry trading at least one of out better prospects for a completely overrated valued veteran bullpen arm.

[17 Seconds]

seriously terrified of losing some of these guys as hendry's last nutshot before he's gone

 

That seems like an irrational fear.

 

why? i could see the cubs being around .500 around the break and hendry doing something stupid like jjax for heath bell

[illiniguy]

How long do we wait until Cashner and Castro are up? I'd hope most of the season, but if they keep this up I doubt it.

[Guest]

Yeah, I'm pretty afraid of Hendry making an ill-advised trade for big league help, especially considering this team might be better off being sellers in June.

[questionmarkgrace]

heres hoping that the new ownership would step to keep the best prospects from being traded ie Cashner, Castro, J.Jackson, B. jackson, Vitters etc. But I agree the big club may be better off as sellers especially with expiring contracts from Lee and if he opts for it Ramirez, and a year more of Fukudome. I would imagine those would be the first guys moved. But still too early to tell what this team is about

[Guest]

Carolina's manager on Cashner:

 

Cashner was just overpowering. He's the best we've seen so far this season and the best I've seen in the past two years here.

 

http://www.indyweek.com/triangleoffense/archives/2010/04/19/mudcats-come-up-short-late-in-a-good-quick-pitchers-duel

[RedFlash]

Yeah, I'm pretty afraid of Hendry making an ill-advised trade for big league help, especially considering this team might be better off being sellers in June.

 

I really believe Ricketts has barred Hendry from making a trade, for now. Otherwise I think Hendry would had already acquired a guy like Gregorson or Frasor, for a deal that most on this site would have been throwing a hissy fit upon learning about

[Guest]

When's the last time Hendry made a trade that overpaid in terms of prospects? Pierre? Is there even one besides Pierre?

[Cubs Fan Dan]

Castro, Cashner, Jackson(s), Vitters, Lee should all be in the untouchable category.

 

IF something is needed use Flaherty, Burke and other B prospects to net a reliever if needed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Castro, Cashner, Jackson(s), Vitters, Lee should all be in the untouchable category.

 

IF something is needed use Flaherty, Burke and other B prospects to net a reliever if needed.

 

I see no reason why Vitters should be considered anything close to untouchable.

[davell]

Castro, Cashner, Jackson(s), Vitters, Lee should all be in the untouchable category.

 

IF something is needed use Flaherty, Burke and other B prospects to net a reliever if needed.

 

I see no reason why Vitters should be considered anything close to untouchable.

 

Maybe not, but he should be in the case of shoring up our bullpen.......

[jersey cubs fan]

Castro, Cashner, Jackson(s), Vitters, Lee should all be in the untouchable category.

 

IF something is needed use Flaherty, Burke and other B prospects to net a reliever if needed.

 

I see no reason why Vitters should be considered anything close to untouchable.

 

Maybe not, but he should be in the case of shoring up our bullpen.......

 

Sure, don't trade him for a reliever, but the guy should be considered tradable.

[RammyFanny]

When's the last time Hendry made a trade that overpaid in terms of prospects? Pierre? Is there even one besides Pierre?

Ceda for a year of Gregg is one off the top of my head (at least in terms of how Ceda was regarded in comparison to Gregg at the time...I haven't really followed him since).

[CubColtPacer]

When's the last time Hendry made a trade that overpaid in terms of prospects? Pierre? Is there even one besides Pierre?

Ceda for a year of Gregg is one off the top of my head (at least in terms of how Ceda was regarded in comparison to Gregg at the time...I haven't really followed him since).

 

Ceda was a guy who nobody knew the trade value of though because he had significant flaws that could derail his career quickly.

 

Since the trade, Ceda accidentally shot someone in the DR and was on house arrest for a short time which he never informed Florida of. He then missed all last year after torn labrum surgery and so far this year only pitched in one Spring Training game. He's apparently slimmed down to 273.

[Guest]

It seems Hendry is getting downright Schuerholzian at dealing pitchers about to go down with arm injuries. Gallagher, Ceda, and Ascanio all in the last two years.

[scarey]

seriously terrified of losing some of these guys as hendry's last nutshot before he's gone

 

That seems like an irrational fear.

 

Why? Its completely rational. Hendry is on the hot seat, and the major league club has sucked. Hes going to try saving his ass somehow, and about the only way he can is to trade the "kids" for some experienced veteran ballplayers to help the major league club. I'd say there is a very good chance at Hendry trading at least one of out better prospects for a completely overrated valued veteran bullpen arm.

 

Hendry has shown in the past that he does not overpay in trades and is extremely stingy with top prospects (some seem to feel he's stingy to a flaw). Names like Pie, Castro, Vitters, Marmol, Soto, and others have been thrown around in trade talks and he has refused to bite. I don't think he's going to change his philosophy for two reasons.

 

1. While he is on the hot seat, a poor choice could tip him in the wrong direction with Ricketts who has commented on how much he values a farm system. Everyone wants to assume that Hendry is already on the chopping block and he has to save himself from it. He may have to make a mistake to lose his job for all we know.

 

2. If Hendry does lose his job, I'm sure he's going to be looking for a new one. I don't think he's going to start pulling desperate moves to save his job and give potential employers another reason to not consider him.

 

 

As for why Vitters should be valued by the Cubs: If there's one thing the Cubs system lacks it's power. Vitters is one of the few prospects that project for power if he hits his ceiling.

[jersey cubs fan]

As for why Vitters should be valued by the Cubs: If there's one thing the Cubs system lacks it's power. Vitters is one of the few prospects that project for power if he hits his ceiling.

 

Any prospect should be valued. That doesn't make them untouchable.

[Sever82]

heres hoping that the new ownership would step to keep the best prospects from being traded ie Cashner, Castro, J.Jackson, B. jackson, Vitters etc. But I agree the big club may be better off as sellers especially with expiring contracts from Lee and if he opts for it Ramirez, and a year more of Fukudome. I would imagine those would be the first guys moved. But still too early to tell what this team is about

 

I have faith in the Ricketts. Any time Tom Ricketts was approached this summer he kept saying how our farm system is looking good and how he wants to build from within. It would be a different story if our GM was Ken Williams, who's pretty quick on trading prospects for Vets. I dont know about yall but i'm more excited about 2 years from now than this year. Hopefully these young guys pan out and we have an infield of Vitters, Castro and HJlee. And also B. Jack and Colvin in the outfield.

[YearofDaCubs]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cashner called up to help out the pen in the near future. Considering that the majority of the youngsters pitching ou tof the pen for us have sucked, I can see Hendry make the move soon.

[Keener98]

seriously terrified of losing some of these guys as hendry's last nutshot before he's gone

 

That seems like an irrational fear.

 

Why? Its completely rational. Hendry is on the hot seat, and the major league club has sucked. Hes going to try saving his ass somehow, and about the only way he can is to trade the "kids" for some experienced veteran ballplayers to help the major league club. I'd say there is a very good chance at Hendry trading at least one of out better prospects for a completely overrated valued veteran bullpen arm.

 

Hendry has shown in the past that he does not overpay in trades and is extremely stingy with top prospects (some seem to feel he's stingy to a flaw). Names like Pie, Castro, Vitters, Marmol, Soto, and others have been thrown around in trade talks and he has refused to bite. I don't think he's going to change his philosophy for two reasons.

 

1. While he is on the hot seat, a poor choice could tip him in the wrong direction with Ricketts who has commented on how much he values a farm system. Everyone wants to assume that Hendry is already on the chopping block and he has to save himself from it. He may have to make a mistake to lose his job for all we know.

 

2. If Hendry does lose his job, I'm sure he's going to be looking for a new one. I don't think he's going to start pulling desperate moves to save his job and give potential employers another reason to not consider him.

 

 

As for why Vitters should be valued by the Cubs: If there's one thing the Cubs system lacks it's power. Vitters is one of the few prospects that project for power if he hits his ceiling.

 

In my opinion what Hendry has done in the past in trades is pretty irrelevant right now. Hes never been in "save my ass or Im gone" mode. Hes been in pretty good standing with the ownership until this off season and now. Desperation can make people do a lot of things, and usually a lot of dumb things. If the Cubs keep losing, Hendry is going to get desperate quick.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

If a lock down closer is Cashners future then I would have no problem with it, but if they want him to start then leave him be.

[17 Seconds]

When's the last time Hendry made a trade that overpaid in terms of prospects? Pierre? Is there even one besides Pierre?

 

but until now, hendry's job hasn't really been on the line

 

also, he hasn't had a lot of good prospects to trade in the past.

[davell]

When's the last time Hendry made a trade that overpaid in terms of prospects? Pierre? Is there even one besides Pierre?

 

but until now, hendry's job hasn't really been on the line

 

also, he hasn't had a lot of good prospects to trade in the past.

 

I actually wonder if Hendry will be around by the time other teams are willing to start making trades.......If the Ricketts are smart, they could easily put a kabosh on ADDING players at the expense of the farm system, which they say is very important to them, especially in a year where the amount of help this team needs is fairly astronomical.