Re: 04.15.10 - That's so Mark

[Guest]

OK, from now on only good pitchers can be in the farm system. MAKE IT SO.

 

I'd like to think that being a good pitcher in your most recent amateur stop should be a basic prerequisite of being a professional pitcher.

 

You have higher standards than you think.

[Sammy Sofa]

OK, from now on only good pitchers can be in the farm system. MAKE IT SO.

 

I'd like to think that being a good pitcher in your most recent amateur stop should be a basic prerequisite of being a professional pitcher.

 

You have higher standards than you think.

 

Indeed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You have higher standards than you think.

 

 

Mostly I just hate Jeff Samardzija.

[Little Slide Rooter]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

[DSMCubsFan]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

[imb]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

marshall

[CubbieBum]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

marshall

 

So what has Russell done to not be included?

[DSMCubsFan]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

marshall

 

 

 

As soon as I hit submit, I kinda assumed it was marshall

[Little Slide Rooter]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

marshall

 

So what has Russell done to not be included?

 

I dont really mind Russell, or even Berg or Caridad for that matter, but in a 1 run or tie game, I wouldnt go with them.

[CubbieBum]

DAMMIT, I saw the thread title and thought we were rid of him. Anytime Lou puts Samardzjia in a winnable game, he deserverves to lose though. The again, same goes with 5/7 of our bullpen.

 

 

I'm assuming Marmol is 1 of your 2 remaining. Just curious who your 2nd guy is?

marshall

 

So what has Russell done to not be included?

 

I dont really mind Russell, or even Berg or Caridad for that matter, but in a 1 run or tie game, I wouldnt go with them.

 

Then who the [expletive] do you go with when you starter throws 120 pitches in 5 innings? You have 4 innings to eat. Lou used Marshall first. I think if Marshall had done well he probably would have been left in but Marshall clearly didn't have it today. You can't throw your closer for three innings so who else gets the ball?

 

Russell is the only other one to have done well so far this season. I personally would have stuck with Marshall in hopes he could be better in the next inning even though that meant he had to hit. I then have Russell warming. He either takes the 8th or comes in earlier if Marshall struggles. That leaves Marmol for the 9th, unless we are out of it and then you can throw Berg.

[CUBZ99]

Suntimes predicts that Cashner will be with the Cubs by the start of the Mets series. Not sure how I feel about that.

[Outshined_One]

Suntimes predicts that Cashner will be with the Cubs by the start of the Mets series. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

It's pretty much been expected since the start of the season. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the Cubs are going to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks when it comes to this bullpen, especially given Lou's short leash for anyone in there.

[17 Seconds]

Suntimes predicts that Cashner will be with the Cubs by the start of the Mets series. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

this organization is so fuckin predictable. now that he's dominating as a starter, of course they'll eff with him

[Little Slide Rooter]

Suntimes predicts that Cashner will be with the Cubs by the start of the Mets series. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

Im good with it. Right now, what we need is a guy to domintate big leaguers for 1 inning more than a guy dominating minor leaguers for 4 or 5. If he can help us with our biggest need right now, Im all for it. And Im sure he can go back to starting in the future. Worked for Wainwright.

[Guest]

Suntimes predicts that Cashner will be with the Cubs by the start of the Mets series. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

Im good with it. Right now, what we need is a guy to domintate big leaguers for 1 inning more than a guy dominating minor leaguers for 4 or 5. If he can help us with our biggest need right now, Im all for it. And Im sure he can go back to starting in the future. Worked for Wainwright.

 

Adam Wainwright had 793 IP as a starter in the minor leagues, and recurrent injury concerns. They are not comparable.

[Rob]

Samardzija last year = Cashner this year

 

Let the raw guys get their reps, dammit.

[jersey cubs fan]

Samardzija last year = Cashner this year

 

Let the raw guys get their reps, dammit.

 

I don't see that as a particularly good comparison. Samardiza's struggles are about the fact that he sucks, not that he's raw. Cashner was considered a close to major league ready reliever by many when he was drafted. He's been dominant in short stints and all the issues have been of the 5th/6th inning variety. If he's used properly in the big leagues he could easily be a 2-3 inning per outing guy who gets plenty of work this season. It doesn't have to be a "lost season" if he goes to the bullpen. Now, if he only throws once a week and gets banished for a couple walks here and there that would be a problem. But if he's used there's nothing wrong with him being on the roster.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, but Lou is managing the bullpen, so of course he'll be used wrong. His first appearance will no doubt be high leverage, it probably won't go well, he'll end up in the stupid "doghouse" for a week or so and not get another appearance until another high leverage situation.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, but Lou is managing the bullpen, so of course he'll be used wrong. His first appearance will no doubt be high leverage, it probably won't go well, he'll end up in the stupid "doghouse" for a week or so and not get another appearance until another high leverage situation.

 

Yeah, well that's always a possibility. In which case I would hope Hendry would step in to bring him back to the minors. If he's any good, history shows Lou is going to lean heavily on him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, therein lies the problem. He basically HAS to be perfect his first outing.

[Guest]

I don't recall what channels I was watching at the time, but it seems like whatever channel it has been (each time) likes to zoom in on Lou's reaction when the bullpen arm he just brought in walked someone. I can especially recall Caridad's first appearance of the season where he walked the first two guys, IIRC.

 

Lou is now famous for offering up some sort of overreaction at the first moment one of the bullpen arms appears to be in trouble. Thus, he brings a lot of this on himself. Even the camera guys know to look for it at this point.

 

In the Caridad instance, Lou threw up his arms angrily and then waved at Larry overdramatically to get off his bum and go out and talk to the kid.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, therein lies the problem. He basically HAS to be perfect his first outing.

 

Not necessarily perfect, just don't walk anybody. Then again, Lou hasn't exactly been consistent with his first impressions. I'm pretty sure Grabow walked the first guy he saw as a Cub yet he maintained a relatively safe position ever since (at least until now). You can give up hits and he won't kill you, see Howry. And for some reason Samardzija keeps getting chance after chance despite sucking hard (although I don't believe he walked the first guy he saw).

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, therein lies the problem. He basically HAS to be perfect his first outing.

 

Not necessarily perfect, just don't walk anybody. Then again, Lou hasn't exactly been consistent with his first impressions. I'm pretty sure Grabow walked the first guy he saw as a Cub yet he maintained a relatively safe position ever since (at least until now). You can give up hits and he won't kill you, see Howry. And for some reason Samardzija keeps getting chance after chance despite sucking hard (although I don't believe he walked the first guy he saw).

 

The common line between Grabow and Howry is that Lou always seems to have some veteran he inexplicably trusts too much in the bullpen regardless of how bad they stink. Their "veteran-ness" wins out with him. I have little doubt that Hendry has at least implied very strongly that Shark needs to get innings, and Lou's response seems to be as petulant about it as possible to the point of putting him out there at the wrong times and leaving him out there too long.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, therein lies the problem. He basically HAS to be perfect his first outing.

 

Not necessarily perfect, just don't walk anybody. Then again, Lou hasn't exactly been consistent with his first impressions. I'm pretty sure Grabow walked the first guy he saw as a Cub yet he maintained a relatively safe position ever since (at least until now). You can give up hits and he won't kill you, see Howry. And for some reason Samardzija keeps getting chance after chance despite sucking hard (although I don't believe he walked the first guy he saw).

 

The common line between Grabow and Howry is that Lou always seems to have some veteran he inexplicably trusts too much in the bullpen regardless of how bad they stink. Their "veteran-ness" wins out with him. I have little doubt that Hendry has at least implied very strongly that Shark needs to get innings, and Lou's response seems to be as petulant about it as possible to the point of putting him out there at the wrong times and leaving him out there too long.

 

I think Howry's faith was about a lack of walks. While Grabow's was about sticking with the guy they went through the effort of acquiring. Samardzija's situation is complicated, but Hendry could always demote him, and he could do the same with Cashner if he got called up and not used. The concerns about usage are legit, but the solution is really easy if it comes to that. Bottom line is I would not have a problem with Cashner being called up to the bullpen, if he gets work. Samardzija needed work just to figure out how to get people out to begin with, at any level. Cashner is just about getting innings logged.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh, I completely agree. I want the two of them switched ASAP.