Just Asking

[Backtobanks]

Since the Cubs have been looking at Frasor, would you expand the deal (if both players agreed because of NTCs) to include Wells for Soriano.

 

Something along the lines of:

Wells, Frasor, plus $4.5 million for Soriano plus Caridad/Berg/etc. plus another prospect (not Vitters, Castro, Casner, etc.)

 

The $4.5 million is about half the difference between the money owed on the two contracts.

 

Pros for Cubs: Wells would be a upgrade defensively in LF. Frasor would help the bullpen. Cubs would save money this year ($5.5 million).

 

Cons for Cubs: Adding the worst contract in baseball for 4 more years after this season.

 

Pros for the Jays: Saving some money and adding prospects.

 

Cons for the Jays: Picking up a bad contract (but better than Wells'). Trading a valuable trade chip before the deadline.

 

Obviously, the deal would have to wait until Wells and the Blue Jays cool off. I guess this kind of deal would hinge on which prospects to be included and whether the players would waive their NTC.

[Pushfrog98]

I'd be for it, but this should probably be in Transactions. Soriano is HORRIBLE in the outfield.

 

I could probably leave "in the outfield" off and it would still be an accurate statement.

[erik316wttn]

I'd be for it, but this should probably be in Transactions. Soriano is HORRIBLE in the outfield.

 

I could probably leave "in the outfield" off and it would still be an accurate statement.

 

At least if he went to the AL he could be DH'ed.

[biittner77]

don't the Jays already have a DH that is good and that they just extended for 6 years?

 

Would Soriano agree to a trade to a team that wanted him to DH? I don't know the answer to that question but there are players that don't like DHing.

[dew1679666265]

Pros for Cubs: Wells would be a upgrade defensively in LF. Frasor would help the bullpen. Cubs would save money this year ($5.5 million).

 

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

[UMFan83]

Wells is signed for a year less than Soriano I think. That alone would make it worthwhile.

[dew1679666265]

Wells is signed for a year less than Soriano I think. That alone would make it worthwhile.

 

Both are signed through 2014. Wells has an opt-out clause in his contract after 2011, though.

[Backtobanks]

Wells is signed for a year less than Soriano I think. That alone would make it worthwhile.

 

They're both signed through 2014 or eternity whichever lasts longer. :-))

 

Pros for Cubs: Wells would be a upgrade defensively in LF. Frasor would help the bullpen. Cubs would save money this year ($5.5 million).

 

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

 

If Wells couldn't play LF, we could put Byrd in LF and Wells in CF. Lots of options in the OF with Byrd able to play all 3 positions, Colvin (3), Fukudome (2), Wells (2), and Nady (2).

[dew1679666265]

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

 

If Wells couldn't play LF, we could put Byrd in LF and Wells in CF. Lots of options in the OF with Byrd able to play all 3 positions, Colvin (3), Fukudome (2), Wells (2), and Nady (2).

 

We still only marginally (at best) get better after the trade and yet are paying more money. I don't see the value in it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we trade Soriano now, who will be our official scapegoat this offseason? Think ahead people!!!!

[NeifiIsMyHomeBoy]

If we trade Soriano now, who will be our official scapegoat this offseason? Think ahead people!!!!

 

I thought Theriot and Fontenot were supposed to be our scapegoats coming into the season. Or maybe they just suck.

[tfarks]

Just scapegoat the bullpen people. They really suck.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If we trade Soriano now, who will be our official scapegoat this offseason? Think ahead people!!!!

We don't need an escape goat. That said, I wouldn't mind adding a guy named Vern even if he did worse and had a worse contract. Vern. I like it.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just scapegoat the bullpen people. They really suck.

 

I'd rather scapegoat the offense.

[dew1679666265]

If we trade Soriano now, who will be our official scapegoat this offseason? Think ahead people!!!!

We don't need an escape goat. That said, I wouldn't mind adding a guy named Vern even if he did worse and had a worse contract. Vern. I like it.

 

Verne Lundquist might not hold up for an entire season, but he's a pretty good Vern.

[Backtobanks]

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

 

If Wells couldn't play LF, we could put Byrd in LF and Wells in CF. Lots of options in the OF with Byrd able to play all 3 positions, Colvin (3), Fukudome (2), Wells (2), and Nady (2).

 

We still only marginally (at best) get better after the trade and yet are paying more money. I don't see the value in it.

 

You know what you have in Soriano, but Wells is the unknown (after wrist surgery). I'm not saying it would be a great trade, but at least Wells will get within 10 feet of the wall. Obviously putting "Soriano" and "great trade" in the same sentence is ridiculous.

[dew1679666265]

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

 

If Wells couldn't play LF, we could put Byrd in LF and Wells in CF. Lots of options in the OF with Byrd able to play all 3 positions, Colvin (3), Fukudome (2), Wells (2), and Nady (2).

 

We still only marginally (at best) get better after the trade and yet are paying more money. I don't see the value in it.

 

You know what you have in Soriano, but Wells is the unknown (after wrist surgery). I'm not saying it would be a great trade, but at least Wells will get within 10 feet of the wall. Obviously putting "Soriano" and "great trade" in the same sentence is ridiculous.

 

Has the wrist been bothering him his entire career? Because, if I recall correctly, he's only really had one really good season. If you're convinced Soriano will be awful for the duration of the contract, this trade could make sense for us. But I'm not convinced of that.

[Backtobanks]

For what it's worth:

 

Soriano LF UZR/150: 5.7

Wells RF UZR/150: 6.8 (-5.7 in CF, he's never played left)

 

I'd rather keep Soriano. No since in adding a player who's unlikely to be an improvement and take on extra money.

 

If Wells couldn't play LF, we could put Byrd in LF and Wells in CF. Lots of options in the OF with Byrd able to play all 3 positions, Colvin (3), Fukudome (2), Wells (2), and Nady (2).

 

We still only marginally (at best) get better after the trade and yet are paying more money. I don't see the value in it.

 

You know what you have in Soriano, but Wells is the unknown (after wrist surgery). I'm not saying it would be a great trade, but at least Wells will get within 10 feet of the wall. Obviously putting "Soriano" and "great trade" in the same sentence is ridiculous.

 

Has the wrist been bothering him his entire career? Because, if I recall correctly, he's only really had one really good season. If you're convinced Soriano will be awful for the duration of the contract, this trade could make sense for us. But I'm not convinced of that.

 

 

Wells has had good numbers when compared to the other CFs. Again I'm not saying he's the second coming of Willie Mays, but he's had a decent career.

 

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

[SouthSideRyan]

Those #s are worse than all those guys, and they're all superior defenders.

[Backtobanks]

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

 

 

 

 

Those #s are worse than all those guys, and they're all superior defenders.

 

I'm not sure what numbers you are looking at, but Wells' numbers matched Hunter's and are better than Cameron and Damon. That puts him in the middle of those 6 players. BTW, Wells did win 3 Gold Gloves which would certainly put him ahead of Damon. Again I'm not defending Wells, I'm just pointing out that he's had a decent career.

[dew1679666265]

Wells has had good numbers when compared to the other CFs. Again I'm not saying he's the second coming of Willie Mays, but he's had a decent career.

 

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

 

Even with the awful year last year, Soriano's 2009 was better than 2 of the past 3 years for Wells. Soriano has posted OPS' of .726, .876 and .897 the past three years. Wells has posted OPS' of .711, .840 and .706.

 

Wells has had two really good seasons (.909 OPS in 2003 and .899 OPS in 2006) that have really helped his career numbers. Besides those two years, he's been a .760-.800 OPS guy. I'd rather take the chance that Soriano – the significantly better hitter throughout his career – rebounds from one bad year than that Wells rebounds from 2 out of 3 bad years.

[Backtobanks]

Wells has had good numbers when compared to the other CFs. Again I'm not saying he's the second coming of Willie Mays, but he's had a decent career.

 

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

 

Even with the awful year last year, Soriano's 2009 was better than 2 of the past 3 years for Wells. Soriano has posted OPS' of .726, .876 and .897 the past three years. Wells has posted OPS' of .711, .840 and .706.

 

Wells has had two really good seasons (.909 OPS in 2003 and .899 OPS in 2006) that have really helped his career numbers. Besides those two years, he's been a .760-.800 OPS guy. I'd rather take the chance that Soriano – the significantly better hitter throughout his career – rebounds from one bad year than that Wells rebounds from 2 out of 3 bad years.

 

Went to today's game and watched Soriano really butcher plays out in LF. He may rebound offensively, but his defense is just brutal.

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Wells has had good numbers when compared to the other CFs. Again I'm not saying he's the second coming of Willie Mays, but he's had a decent career.

 

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

 

Even with the awful year last year, Soriano's 2009 was better than 2 of the past 3 years for Wells. Soriano has posted OPS' of .726, .876 and .897 the past three years. Wells has posted OPS' of .711, .840 and .706.

 

Wells has had two really good seasons (.909 OPS in 2003 and .899 OPS in 2006) that have really helped his career numbers. Besides those two years, he's been a .760-.800 OPS guy. I'd rather take the chance that Soriano – the significantly better hitter throughout his career – rebounds from one bad year than that Wells rebounds from 2 out of 3 bad years.

 

Went to today's game and watched Soriano really butcher plays out in LF. He may rebound offensively, but his defense is just brutal.

 

i really need to get to a game so i can confirm this defense of his

[BigbadB1679666149]

Wells has had good numbers when compared to the other CFs. Again I'm not saying he's the second coming of Willie Mays, but he's had a decent career.

 

Wells- .281/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Cameron-.250/.340/.448/.788 - 23 HR - 82 RBI

Hunter- .274/.330/.472/.802 - 26 HR - 95 RBI

Damon- .288/.355/.438/.793 - 16HR - 76 RBI

Edmonds- .284/.377/.527/.904 - 32 HR - 99 RBI

Beltran- .283/.360/.496/.856 - 28 HR - 107 RBI

 

Even with the awful year last year, Soriano's 2009 was better than 2 of the past 3 years for Wells. Soriano has posted OPS' of .726, .876 and .897 the past three years. Wells has posted OPS' of .711, .840 and .706.

 

Wells has had two really good seasons (.909 OPS in 2003 and .899 OPS in 2006) that have really helped his career numbers. Besides those two years, he's been a .760-.800 OPS guy. I'd rather take the chance that Soriano – the significantly better hitter throughout his career – rebounds from one bad year than that Wells rebounds from 2 out of 3 bad years.

 

Went to today's game and watched Soriano really butcher plays out in LF. He may rebound offensively, but his defense is just brutal.

 

i really need to get to a game so i can confirm this defense of his

 

Maybe he was referring to all the stuff you don't get to see on tv.

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