4.10 Marmol is nasty postgame thread

[inari]

Let's talk about positive things!

 

-The Carlos's

-Derrek Lee's confidence in his baserunning abilities

-John Grabow didn't do anything that bad!

[CubbieBum]

Let's talk about positive things!

 

-The Carlos's

-Derrek Lee's confidence in his baserunning abilities

-John Grabow didn't do anything that bad!

 

-Yes

-NOOOOO

-Yes

[Schwarber Fan]

-John Grabow didn't do anything that bad!

 

Giving up 2 rockets to lefties is kinda bad.

[NewUserName]

I am concerned that Lou thinks Grabow is good against lefties

[Cubswin11]

I am concerned that for no apparent reason Lou replaced Soto with Hill. Soto isn't a liability defensively, maybe Soto got a minor injury or wasn't feeling well but if not it appears Lou has no faith or confidence in him anymore.

[MWV]

Grabow reminds me of Remlinger. And I don't mean the facial hair.

[Tim M]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

[Guest]

Marmol was throwing nasty stuff up there in the 9th. But the hitters were taking crazy hacks at it, too, which made it look even better.

[NewUserName]

Marmol was throwing nasty stuff up there in the 9th. But the hitters were taking crazy hacks at it, too, which made it look even better.

 

I think a Dusty managed team would probably have all kinds of issues with Marmol.

[MWV]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

[nick23]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

[imb]

marmol makes me really sad, because by the time this team is good again, he's going to be expensive and/or burned out

[TruffleShuffle]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

it would be helpful if more people would get on base so that these home runs yield 3 or 4 runs. too many solo shots.

[Soul]

Whoever turned Marmol's slider back on gets the early season gold star award. I love watching hitters fail against that pitch

[erik316wttn]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

Home runs can be all or nothing. If you rely solely on the home run for your offensive output, you can have long stretches of offensive futility. I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

[Sammy Sofa]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

Home runs can be all or nothing. If you rely solely on the home run for your offensive output, you can have long stretches of offensive futility. I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

 

Though they could just be the '05 White Sox.

[erik316wttn]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

Home runs can be all or nothing. If you rely solely on the home run for your offensive output, you can have long stretches of offensive futility. I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

 

Though they could just be the '05 White Sox.

 

Our pitching isn't anywhere near that good.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's still real to me.

[erik316wttn]

It's still real to me.

 

dammit!

[Guest]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

Home runs can be all or nothing. If you rely solely on the home run for your offensive output, you can have long stretches of offensive futility. I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

Stringing together lots of hits isn't an ability.

 

The team has plenty of people that hit for average and get on base. Since that's the case, they'll get their share of non-hr runs as the year goes along.

[Garwilly]

I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

Stringing together lots of hits isn't an ability.

 

Gremlins don't exist either, but I would like to see one of those.

[erik316wttn]

I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

Stringing together lots of hits isn't an ability.

 

Gremlins don't exist either, but I would like to see one of those.

 

I've always wanted to see a minotaur.

[sweetpeteman]

 

Our pitching isn't anywhere near that good.

 

Don't overstate the WS pitching. The Cubs could have pitching as good, but probably won't:

 

2005 WS Rotation:

		        ERA	ERA+	WHIP	 H/9  	HR/9 SO/BB
Mark Buehrle 		3.12 	144 	1.183 9.1 	0.8 	3.73
Freddy Garcia 		3.87 	116 	1.250 8.9 	1.0 	2.43
Jon Garland 		3.50 	128 	1.172 8.6 	1.1 	2.45
Jose Contreras 		3.61 	125 	1.231 7.8 	1.0 	2.05
O Hernandez 		5.12 	 88 	1.457 9.6 	1.3 	1.82

2010 Cubs Possible Members of Rotation (last year):

		         ERA	ERA+	WHIP	H/9  	HR/9   SO/BB
Carlos Zambrano		3.77  	119  	1.376  8.2  	0.5  	1.95 
Ted Lilly		        3.10  	145  	1.056  7.7  	1.1  	4.19
Ryan Dempster		3.64  	123  	1.305  8.8  	1.0  	2.65
Randy Wells		3.05  	148  	1.276  9.0  	0.8  	2.26
Carlos Silva		   6.46  	66  	1.598  12.5  1.2  	2.16  (2008 Numbers)	 
Sean Marshall		4.32  	104  	1.441  9.6  	1.1  	2.13  	
Tom Gorzelanny		5.55  	81  	1.319  8.6  	1.1  	2.76 

 

 

The rotations aren't that dissimilar. Lilly is pretty close to Buehrle, Z to Garcia, Demp to Garland, and Wells over Contreras. The fifth starter is pretty moot, especially in the playoffs. The BIG issue is going to be the bullpens:

 

2005 WS Bullpen:

		        ERA	ERA+	WHIP	H/9  	HR/9  SO/BB			
Dustin Hermanson 	2.04 	221 	1.099 7.2 	0.6 	1.94
Luis Vizcaino 		3.73 	121 	1.471 9.5 	1.0 	1.48
Cliff Politte 	 	        2.00 	225 	0.936 5.6 	0.9 	2.71
Neal Cotts 		        1.94 	233 	1.110 5.7 	0.1 	2.00
Damaso Marte 		3.77 	120 	1.721 8.9 	1.0 	1.64
Bobby Jenks 	 	2.75 	165 	1.246 7.8 	0.7 	3.33
Shingo Takatsu  	        5.97  	76  	1.605  9.4  	2.8  	2.00 

Bullpen:

2010 Cubs Possible Members BP (last year):

		        ERA	ERA+	WHIP	H/9  	HR/9  SO/BB
Carlos Marmol		3.41  	132  	1.459  5.2  	0.2  	1.43  	 	
John Grabow		3.36  	128  	1.410  7.7  	0.6  	1.43
Jeff Gray		        3.76  	118  	1.291  10.3  1.0  	4.75  	
David Patton		6.83  	67  	1.807  10.1  1.3  	1.21
Esmailin Caridad	        4.17  		1.405  9.5  	1.2  	2.48 (Minor League numbers from here down)
Justin Berg 	 	        2.43  	  	1.257  6.6  	0.3  	1.21
James Russell 		3.43  	 	1.371  9.7  	0.8  	2.42
Jeff Samardzija 	        4.35  		1.404  9.9  	1.2  	2.63 
John Gaub		        2.25  		1.150  5.4  	0.6  	2.42 
Jeff Stevens		2.03  	  	1.040  5.5  	0.2  	2.44
Scott Maine		3.68  	 	1.364  8.0  	0.0  	2.14
J.R. Mathes		        3.62  	  	1.268  10.4  0.8  	3.64
Blake Parker		3.00  		1.235  6.4  	0.5  	2.15

 

 

The WS bullpen was unreal that year. But look at who was giving them the games:

Hermanson: ERA+ of 104 and 96 the years before, out of baseball after 2006.

Vizcaino: Not far from his normal numbers, ERA+ of 67 and 117 the years before.

Politte: 109 and 85, also gone after 2006

Cotts: 84 the year before, we know what he did with the Cubs

Marte: This was actually a down year for him, ERA+ of 293 and 139 the years before

Takatsu: sucks, was cut Aug. 1, never played in the majors after 2005.

(They had a few others that gave them some innings, but only 21.2, and didn't play in the postseason. It should also be noted that Hermanson injured his back in September and only pitched .1 innings in the playoffs).

 

 

Its possible the Cubs could have pitching as good as the WS did that year, but they need the same magic to happen to their bullpen. This also points out why its a waste of money to overpay guys like Grabow.

[cubsfan5150]

Good comeback win. Really pleased with the way the starters are throwing. Aramis is swinging way too hard. He's missing good pitches to hit because he's trying to hit it 500 feet.

 

The team in general is playing longball thus far. 70% of our runs have come via homers. It would be nice to see an inning or two of sustained offensive output.

Damn rally killing home runs.

 

Home runs can be all or nothing. If you rely solely on the home run for your offensive output, you can have long stretches of offensive futility. I would like to see an ability to string a bunch of hits together and score runs that way, although I'll never say no to the longball.

Stringing together lots of hits isn't an ability.

 

The team has plenty of people that hit for average and get on base. Since that's the case, they'll get their share of non-hr runs as the year goes along.

 

Plenty? I can count on my dicked up hand (missing two fingers) how many guys get on base on this team.

[CubbieBum]

 

Plenty? I can count on my dicked up hand (missing two fingers) how many guys get on base on this team.

 

Is it that toothpicky?