4.10 Marmol is nasty postgame thread

[sweetpeteman]

Plenty? I can count on my dicked up hand (missing two fingers) how many guys get on base on this team.

 

Last 3 Years, (2009, 2008, 2007) OBP:

Lee: .393, .361, .400

ARam: .389, .380, .366

Fuku: .375, .359 ~

Theriot: .343, .387, .326

Byrd: .329, .380, .355

Fontenot: .301, .395, .336

Baker: .343, .322, .296 (06 was his first "full" year)

Nady: .357, .330, .337 (08, 07, 06 due to 7 games played in 09)

Soto: .321, .364, .433 (60 PA in 07)

 

 

That's more then three that either can get on base, have been able to in the past, or have improved significantly the past three years.

[Andy]

The WS bullpen was unreal that year. But look at who was giving them the games:

Hermanson: ERA+ of 104 and 96 the years before, out of baseball after 2006.

Vizcaino: Not far from his normal numbers, ERA+ of 67 and 117 the years before.

Politte: 109 and 85, also gone after 2006

Cotts: 84 the year before, we know what he did with the Cubs

Marte: This was actually a down year for him, ERA+ of 293 and 139 the years before

Takatsu: sucks, was cut Aug. 1, never played in the majors after 2005.

(They had a few others that gave them some innings, but only 21.2, and didn't play in the postseason. It should also be noted that Hermanson injured his back in September and only pitched .1 innings in the playoffs).

 

 

Its possible the Cubs could have pitching as good as the WS did that year, but they need the same magic to happen to their bullpen. This also points out why its a waste of money to overpay guys like Grabow.

Didn't have to remind me of the fluky Sox bullpen. Before I gave up trying to argue with Sox fans, I would always point out to them how ridiculous it was that they got the equivalent season of Pedro in his [expletive] prime out of Hermanson, Politte and Cotts.

[cubsfan5150]

Plenty? I can count on my dicked up hand (missing two fingers) how many guys get on base on this team.

 

Last 3 Years, (2009, 2008, 2007) OBP:

Lee: .393, .361, .400

ARam: .389, .380, .366

Fuku: .375, .359 ~

Theriot: .343, .387, .326

Byrd: .329, .380, .355

Fontenot: .301, .395, .336

Baker: .343, .322, .296 (06 was his first "full" year)

Nady: .357, .330, .337 (08, 07, 06 due to 7 games played in 09)

Soto: .321, .364, .433 (60 PA in 07)

 

 

That's more then three that either can get on base, have been able to in the past, or have improved significantly the past three years.

 

Those top two are the only two that we can trust to get on base on a regular basis. Anything under .350 is unimpressive. Theriot MIGHT get back to what he was in 2008, we'll see. I suppose you can trust Fuku to get on base for the most part.

 

It's not like we tore it up last year. We were 18th in the majors with a .332 OBP.

[Guest]

I suppose you can trust Fuku to get on base for the most part, but I'd like to see top of the order guys approaching .400.

Sure, we'd all like to see a lineup stuffed with .400 OBP hitters. But there were only seven hitters in the NL who managed a .400 OBP last year. Only 19 topped .380.

 

I think your standards are a bit unrealistic.

[cubsfan5150]

I suppose you can trust Fuku to get on base for the most part, but I'd like to see top of the order guys approaching .400.

Sure, we'd all like to see a lineup stuffed with .400 OBP hitters. But there were only seven hitters in the NL who managed a .400 OBP last year. Only 19 topped .380.

 

I think your standards are a bit unrealistic.

 

Yeah, that's why I changed my wording right before you posted this.

[Deder]

The 2005 White Sox are an example of a what a mediocre team can do when most of their players(especially the pitchers) all have career years at the same time. Almost any team could be the 2005 White Sox but it is unlikely that any given team will be like them.