When do we start to worry about Aramis?

[17 Seconds]

I'm watching ARam for the first time today. . . .. .is it just me or does have a "don't give a crap" attitude? Maybe he'll turn it on during the regular season.

 

lolol

[TruffleShuffle]

so say that aramis continues to have some shoulder trouble this year, and doesn't opt out of his contract. do you move him to 1B for his last two years and try to find a 3B? (assuming vitters isn't ready yet). The upside to this is that aramis wouldn't have to do much throwing over there and would be much less of an injury risk, but his bat is really a big plus at 3B and only is a marginal plus at 1B. plus it's tougher to fill a hole at 1B than 3B.

[David]

so say that aramis continues to have some shoulder trouble this year, and doesn't opt out of his contract. do you move him to 1B for his last two years and try to find a 3B? (assuming vitters isn't ready yet). The upside to this is that aramis wouldn't have to do much throwing over there and would be much less of an injury risk, but his bat is really a big plus at 3B and only is a marginal plus at 1B. plus it's tougher to fill a hole at 1B than 3B.

 

 

except his injured shoulder was his left so I don't see how the throwing thing matters all that much (yes, his triceps soreness was his right arm but that isn't anything we have much reason to be concerned about long term).

 

i suppose he'd have to do less diving onto his bad arm at 1b.

[CubColtPacer]

so say that aramis continues to have some shoulder trouble this year, and doesn't opt out of his contract. do you move him to 1B for his last two years and try to find a 3B? (assuming vitters isn't ready yet). The upside to this is that aramis wouldn't have to do much throwing over there and would be much less of an injury risk, but his bat is really a big plus at 3B and only is a marginal plus at 1B. plus it's tougher to fill a hole at 1B than 3B.

 

If the Cubs felt his shoulder was bad enough that they had to move him to 1st I doubt they would pick up his option for 2012. That gives you a lot more options only having to deal with that uncertainty for 1 year. As David said though, I'm not sure repeated throwing is going to cause as much of a problem as hitting with it being his non-throwing shoulder.

[biittner77]

so say that aramis continues to have some shoulder trouble this year, and doesn't opt out of his contract. do you move him to 1B for his last two years and try to find a 3B? (assuming vitters isn't ready yet). The upside to this is that aramis wouldn't have to do much throwing over there and would be much less of an injury risk, but his bat is really a big plus at 3B and only is a marginal plus at 1B. plus it's tougher to fill a hole at 1B than 3B.

 

If the Cubs felt his shoulder was bad enough that they had to move him to 1st I doubt they would pick up his option for 2012. That gives you a lot more options only having to deal with that uncertainty for 1 year. As David said though, I'm not sure repeated throwing is going to cause as much of a problem as hitting with it being his non-throwing shoulder.

 

Do the Cubs have an option? I thought it was Ramirez that had an opt out after this year.

[CubColtPacer]

so say that aramis continues to have some shoulder trouble this year, and doesn't opt out of his contract. do you move him to 1B for his last two years and try to find a 3B? (assuming vitters isn't ready yet). The upside to this is that aramis wouldn't have to do much throwing over there and would be much less of an injury risk, but his bat is really a big plus at 3B and only is a marginal plus at 1B. plus it's tougher to fill a hole at 1B than 3B.

 

If the Cubs felt his shoulder was bad enough that they had to move him to 1st I doubt they would pick up his option for 2012. That gives you a lot more options only having to deal with that uncertainty for 1 year. As David said though, I'm not sure repeated throwing is going to cause as much of a problem as hitting with it being his non-throwing shoulder.

 

Do the Cubs have an option? I thought it was Ramirez that had an opt out after this year.

 

Ramirez has the option after this year. The Cubs have the option after 2011.

[jersey cubs fan]

07:$8M, 08:$14M, 09:$15.65M, 10:$15.75M, 11:$14.6M player option, 12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)

 

 

Ramirez option kicks in after this season, and would guarantee him 16.6m for one year of work. (2011 salary plus buyout). Then the Cubs have an option to bring him back for 2012 if they want. There isn't much incentive for Ramirez to choose to stay, unless he's really banged up.

[Maclowery]

I'm pretty interested to see how his contract plays out. If he declines it, just how much would a 900 OPS, highly respected 32 year old third basemen be worth? 4/75? More years, less per? Obviously we have 162 - or more for you optimistic Cubbies, :D - to see if he continues to be awesome, or if his body raises some flags for GMs.

 

If he misses more than a quarter of the season, though, I'd have a hunch that he'd take the 16.6 and go for one more 4 or 5 year deal starting in 2012.

[Garwilly]

I'm pretty interested to see how his contract plays out. If he declines it, just how much would a 900 OPS, highly respected 32 year old third basemen be worth? 4/75? More years, less per? Obviously we have 162 - or more for you optimistic Cubbies, :D - to see if he continues to be awesome, or if his body raises some flags for GMs.

 

If he misses more than a quarter of the season, though, I'd have a hunch that he'd take the 16.6 and go for one more 4 or 5 year deal starting in 2012.

 

There is also the club option for 2012 though, pushing a contract off until 2013 may be too steep of a gamble.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm pretty interested to see how his contract plays out. If he declines it, just how much would a 900 OPS, highly respected 32 year old third basemen be worth? 4/75? More years, less per? Obviously we have 162 - or more for you optimistic Cubbies, :D - to see if he continues to be awesome, or if his body raises some flags for GMs.

 

If he misses more than a quarter of the season, though, I'd have a hunch that he'd take the 16.6 and go for one more 4 or 5 year deal starting in 2012.

 

He could probably get a 3/48-54 after this season, unless he bombs. I think that's better than 1/16.6 guarantee or 2/30.6 potential if he doesn't opt out. The success of the team probably matters to him as well. If they struggle and he's not crippled, he's opting out.

[Guest]

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

 

If he returns to 2007/2008 form, you think it would be hard for him to get $16m this offseason?

[UMFan83]

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

 

If he returns to 2007/2008 form, you think it would be hard for him to get $16m this offseason?

 

In this economy? It's possible he does, but I don't think it's a lock like it would have been a few years ago.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

 

If he returns to 2007/2008 form, you think it would be hard for him to get $16m this offseason?

 

In this economy? It's possible he does, but I don't think it's a lock like it would have been a few years ago.

 

But we're talking 7 months from now, and the economy is likely past the worst stage, and teams have been very cautious for two years now. It's quite likely things will be looking up by this November, and teams that have been sitting and waiting will want to make a splash. Aramis is a very productive player, and if he bounces back this season, his resume would be terrific for a free agency.

[Cubswin11]

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

 

If he returns to 2007/2008 form, you think it would be hard for him to get $16m this offseason?

 

In this economy? It's possible he does, but I don't think it's a lock like it would have been a few years ago.

 

But we're talking 7 months from now, and the economy is likely past the worst stage, and teams have been very cautious for two years now. It's quite likely things will be looking up by this November, and teams that have been sitting and waiting will want to make a splash. Aramis is a very productive player, and if he bounces back this season, his resume would be terrific for a free agency.

Yeah if he has a big year this year I could see the Dodgers or Angels being big players for him and he could land a 4-5 year deal in the $60-80m range.

[Sammy Sofa]

I really hope the Cubs trade him.

 

Having Hendry this year is arguably a good thing if they end up trying to move what they can by the deadline if they're out of it. Hendry's been pretty good with trades, and they deflect the fan wrath over moving guys like Lilly, Aramis and (hopefully) Lee when they then fire Hendry after the season's done.

[David]

I really hope the Cubs trade him.

 

Having Hendry this year is arguably a good thing if they end up trying to move what they can by the deadline if they're out of it. Hendry's been pretty good with trades, and they deflect the fan wrath over moving guys like Lilly, Aramis and (hopefully) Lee when they then fire Hendry after the season's done.

 

 

I really don't think it's all that likely that they'll be sellers at the deadline.

[Sammy Sofa]

I agree, unfortunately...but I can dream.

[biittner77]

I really hope the Cubs trade him.

 

Having Hendry this year is arguably a good thing if they end up trying to move what they can by the deadline if they're out of it. Hendry's been pretty good with trades, and they deflect the fan wrath over moving guys like Lilly, Aramis and (hopefully) Lee when they then fire Hendry after the season's done.

 

Teams don't seem as willing as they once were to "mortgage the farm" for rental players like Lee.

 

But we're talking 7 months from now, and the economy is likely past the worst stage, and teams have been very cautious for two years now. It's quite likely things will be looking up by this November, and teams that have been sitting and waiting will want to make a splash. Aramis is a very productive player, and if he bounces back this season, his resume would be terrific for a free agency.

I don't think it's likely Ramirez gets 16 million annually in free agency, so I think it's a pretty decent bet he takes the option.

 

If he returns to 2007/2008 form, you think it would be hard for him to get $16m this offseason?

 

In this economy? It's possible he does, but I don't think it's a lock like it would have been a few years ago.

 

But we're talking 7 months from now, and the economy is likely past the worst stage, and teams have been very cautious for two years now. It's quite likely things will be looking up by this November, and teams that have been sitting and waiting will want to make a splash. Aramis is a very productive player, and if he bounces back this season, his resume would be terrific for a free agency.

 

The economy will have had to recover toward the beginning of this season to affect next offseason. Teams are more likely to base what they can spend on what they made this year rather than what they might hope to make next year.

 

The economy can just as easily regress over the summer too.

[jersey cubs fan]

Teams are more likely to base what they can spend on what they made this year rather than what they might hope to make next year.

 

That's not very likely.

[Sammy Sofa]

I really hope the Cubs trade him.

 

Having Hendry this year is arguably a good thing if they end up trying to move what they can by the deadline if they're out of it. Hendry's been pretty good with trades, and they deflect the fan wrath over moving guys like Lilly, Aramis and (hopefully) Lee when they then fire Hendry after the season's done.

 

Teams don't seem as willing as they once were to "mortgage the farm" for rental players like Lee.

 

They don't have to to make convincing him to wave his NTC a plus for the Cubs.

[SouthSideRyan]

I agree, unfortunately...but I can dream.

 

I don't think we'll be out of it at the deadline.

[UMFan83]

I agree, unfortunately...but I can dream.

 

I don't think we'll be out of it at the deadline.

 

Well it's not just that. Hendry is not going to trade Aramis if he thinks that he's gonna get fired if the team tanks. There is 0% chance the Cubs are sellers in July unless Hendry gets fired mid-season and the team really stinks.

[Sammy Sofa]

I still stand by that if they're at least 5 games out of it at the deadline that it should be the motivation to start selling. 5 games+ back in a division this bad while spending this much money on a team this relatively old would just be inexcusable. The window is all but closed. Break up the band and move on.

[biittner77]

Teams are more likely to base what they can spend on what they made this year rather than what they might hope to make next year.

 

That's not very likely.

 

So if a team has a bad year financially this year, they are likely to spend a lot of money in the offseason?