Re: March Madness: The Thread

[Exile on Waveland]

As much as I will be rooting for Wisconsin: I believe I've already seen the Wisconsin-Cornell game, except it was called Wisconsin-Davidson.

[bukie]

Well, Ohio State's run to the Fina Four looks a bit more manageable than it did 3 days ago.

[Old Style]

There is some Illini talk happening here.

 

http://northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=56931

[Derwood]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn233/OHCubsFan/bracket.jpg

 

my bracket is just brutal

[Guest]

There's a reasonable chance that none of the big east teams could make the sweet sixteen, which would be awesome. Of their eight teams, they have three remaining in the tourney. Syracuse plays Gonzaga, which could be an outstanding game with Gonzaga potentially having an edge on the inside with Onuaku being out for the game. Third seeded Pitt plays a tough Xavier team and West Virginia will run up and down the court with Missouri.

 

If those three teams all lose, it would be a stunning exit for the Big East after being seeded 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6 & 9. It isn't just that they got eight teams in the tourney. It's the number of high seeds the teams were given that makes this so remarkable.

 

Of course, if all three teams still alive win today, only four of the teams (that's half of them) will have underperformed their seeding to date. :)

[illiniguy]

I am going to enjoy watching Illinois in the NIT as well.

Hopefully next year Iowa can be the fourth best program in the state. Right now I got it at UNI, Indian Hills, Southeastern Community College, Drake, Iowa State, and Iowa. That about right?

[Guest]

I am going to enjoy watching Illinois in the NIT as well.

Hopefully next year Iowa can be the fourth best program in the state. Right now I got it at UNI, Indian Hills, Southeastern Community College, Drake, Iowa State, and Iowa. That about right?

There's probably a few rec leagues out there, too.

[illiniguy]

I am going to enjoy watching Illinois in the NIT as well.

Hopefully next year Iowa can be the fourth best program in the state. Right now I got it at UNI, Indian Hills, Southeastern Community College, Drake, Iowa State, and Iowa. That about right?

There's probably a few rec leagues out there, too.

True, I played in the North Liberty rec league where the Prime Time league was held and I know there were some teams there that would beat Iowa. But, a lot of that depends on if Rob Griffin is in or out of jail this week.

[Garwilly]

Gus is feeling it today.

[Outshined_One]

Gus is feeling it today.

 

He sounds like he has an extra skip in his step after calling some lackluster first round games in Buffalo.

[Andy]

There's a reasonable chance that none of the big east teams could make the sweet sixteen, which would be awesome. Of their eight teams, they have three remaining in the tourney. Syracuse plays Gonzaga, which could be an outstanding game with Gonzaga potentially having an edge on the inside with Onuaku being out for the game. Third seeded Pitt plays a tough Xavier team and West Virginia will run up and down the court with Missouri.

 

If those three teams all lose, it would be a stunning exit for the Big East after being seeded 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6 & 9. It isn't just that they got eight teams in the tourney. It's the number of high seeds the teams were given that makes this so remarkable.

 

Of course, if all three teams still alive win today, only four of the teams (that's half of them) will have underperformed their seeding to date. :)

Big East = 8 out of 16 teams in = 50 percent

Big 12 = 7 out of 12 teams in = 58 percent

ACC = 6 out of 12 teams in = 50 percent

 

BTW, the ACC could easily also be done by the Sweet 16 (certainly more likely than the Big East).

 

The Big East has the same fraction of teams in the dance as the ACC does, and LESS than the Big 12. Not saying any of those teams were undeserving, but apparently you think the Big East wasn't deserving of 8. If the Big East didn't deserve 8, then kick Georgia Tech and Florida State out too because they were less deserving than the 8th Big East team.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Andy

[Guest]

There's a reasonable chance that none of the big east teams could make the sweet sixteen, which would be awesome. Of their eight teams, they have three remaining in the tourney. Syracuse plays Gonzaga, which could be an outstanding game with Gonzaga potentially having an edge on the inside with Onuaku being out for the game. Third seeded Pitt plays a tough Xavier team and West Virginia will run up and down the court with Missouri.

 

If those three teams all lose, it would be a stunning exit for the Big East after being seeded 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6 & 9. It isn't just that they got eight teams in the tourney. It's the number of high seeds the teams were given that makes this so remarkable.

 

Of course, if all three teams still alive win today, only four of the teams (that's half of them) will have underperformed their seeding to date. :)

Big East = 8 out of 16 teams in = 50 percent

Big 12 = 7 out of 12 teams in = 58 percent

ACC = 6 out of 12 teams in = 50 percent

 

BTW, the ACC could easily also be done by the Sweet 16 (certainly more likely than the Big East).

 

The Big East has the same fraction of teams in the dance as the ACC does, and LESS than the Big 12.

Way to completely ignore the overseeding point.

[Andy]

There's a reasonable chance that none of the big east teams could make the sweet sixteen, which would be awesome. Of their eight teams, they have three remaining in the tourney. Syracuse plays Gonzaga, which could be an outstanding game with Gonzaga potentially having an edge on the inside with Onuaku being out for the game. Third seeded Pitt plays a tough Xavier team and West Virginia will run up and down the court with Missouri.

 

If those three teams all lose, it would be a stunning exit for the Big East after being seeded 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6 & 9. It isn't just that they got eight teams in the tourney. It's the number of high seeds the teams were given that makes this so remarkable.

 

Of course, if all three teams still alive win today, only four of the teams (that's half of them) will have underperformed their seeding to date. :)

Big East = 8 out of 16 teams in = 50 percent

Big 12 = 7 out of 12 teams in = 58 percent

ACC = 6 out of 12 teams in = 50 percent

 

BTW, the ACC could easily also be done by the Sweet 16 (certainly more likely than the Big East).

 

The Big East has the same fraction of teams in the dance as the ACC does, and LESS than the Big 12.

Way to completely ignore the overseeding point.

If you guys would [expletive] pay attention to me, I've been among the first to tell you that ND and Marquette were overseeded (I'm the one who bracketed those two teams into our selection committee bracket as 7 seeds). But you're all so excited to jump all over the Big East for losing a couple of games that you're willfully ignoring that.

 

Also, in my OWN S-curve for that bracket, I had ND slotted as a 10 seed. If you're trying to beat down someone who thought the Big East was a freaking superconference, you've got the wrong person.

[Outshined_One]

Actually, I would take more pleasure in no ACC team making it to the Sweet 16 instead of no BE team making it to the Sweet 16 since it would mean another embarrassing loss for Duke. I'm good with that.

[Garwilly]

Actually, I would take more pleasure in no ACC team making it to the Sweet 16 instead of no BE team making it to the Sweet 16 since it would mean another embarrassing loss for Duke. I'm good with that.

 

I would've agreed with this three days ago. Andy's complete inability to take this like a man has turned me. Every time I look, its Andy and some BS defense about the BE.

[Outshined_One]

Every time I think about cheering for Gonzaga, this comes to mind:

 

http://trueball.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/morrisoncryer.jpg

[Andy]

Good God. If BS means pointing out facts, then go [expletive] right ahead and keep calling it BS.

 

I [expletive] told you all that the Big East was overseeded. You saw me in the college hoops thread practically beating it down your throats that ND and Marquette were spectacularly overseeded.

 

You are all trying to tell me things I already know and act like it's new information. It's not. That's why I keep correcting you. You'll notice that not once have I played the stupid "the league beats you down" card, because that would be a stupid argument. The Big 12 was a better league and as I see it now, 2 teams from that league are in the Sweet 16 already, with 2 more having a chance to get into it today, so obviously playing in a good league isn't going to hurt you come tournament time.

 

I say this every single damn year, that evaluating an entire conference - and ignoring a season's worth of data - is stupid based on the tiny sample size the NCAA tournament provides. And every single damn year, that point is blatantly ignored.

Edited March 21, 2010 by Andy

[Garwilly]

Good God. If BS means pointing out facts, then go [expletive] right ahead and keep calling it BS.

 

I [expletive] told you all that the Big East was overseeded. You saw me in the college hoops thread practically beating it down your throats that ND and Marquette were spectacularly overseeded.

 

You are all trying to tell me things I already know and act like it's new information. It's not. That's why I keep correcting you. You'll notice that not once have I played the stupid "the league beats you down" card, because that would be a stupid argument. The Big 12 was a better league and as I see it now, 2 teams from that league are in the Sweet 16 already, with 2 more having a chance to get into it now.

 

I say this every single damn year, that evaluating an entire conference - and ignoring a season's worth of data - is stupid based on the tiny sample size the NCAA tournament provides. And every single damn year, that point is blatantly ignored.

 

So shut up about it then.

[Andy]

Good God. If BS means pointing out facts, then go [expletive] right ahead and keep calling it BS.

 

I [expletive] told you all that the Big East was overseeded. You saw me in the college hoops thread practically beating it down your throats that ND and Marquette were spectacularly overseeded.

 

You are all trying to tell me things I already know and act like it's new information. It's not. That's why I keep correcting you. You'll notice that not once have I played the stupid "the league beats you down" card, because that would be a stupid argument. The Big 12 was a better league and as I see it now, 2 teams from that league are in the Sweet 16 already, with 2 more having a chance to get into it now.

 

I say this every single damn year, that evaluating an entire conference - and ignoring a season's worth of data - is stupid based on the tiny sample size the NCAA tournament provides. And every single damn year, that point is blatantly ignored.

 

So shut up about it then.

Feel free to follow your own advice.

[Garwilly]

Good God. If BS means pointing out facts, then go [expletive] right ahead and keep calling it BS.

 

I [expletive] told you all that the Big East was overseeded. You saw me in the college hoops thread practically beating it down your throats that ND and Marquette were spectacularly overseeded.

 

You are all trying to tell me things I already know and act like it's new information. It's not. That's why I keep correcting you. You'll notice that not once have I played the stupid "the league beats you down" card, because that would be a stupid argument. The Big 12 was a better league and as I see it now, 2 teams from that league are in the Sweet 16 already, with 2 more having a chance to get into it now.

 

I say this every single damn year, that evaluating an entire conference - and ignoring a season's worth of data - is stupid based on the tiny sample size the NCAA tournament provides. And every single damn year, that point is blatantly ignored.

 

So shut up about it then.

Feel free to follow your own advice.

 

Big Least.

[bukie]

Conference performance relative to seed, thus far (using simple higher seed wins expectations):

 

Pac 10 (8, 11); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 3 (+2)

WCC (8, 10); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 3 (+2)

MVC (9); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 2 (+2)

ACC (1, 4, 7, 9, 9, 10); Expected wins: 3; actual wins: 4 (+1)

Horizon (5); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 2 (+1)

Ivy League (12); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

OVC (13); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

CAA (11); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

MAC (14); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

Big Ten (2, 4, 4, 5, 11); Expected wins: 4; actual wins: 4 (0)

SEC (1, 4, 6, 10); Expected wins: 5; actual wins: 4 (-1)

Big 12 (1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10); Expected wins: 9; actual wins: 7 (-2)

Mountain West (3, 7, 8, 11); Expected wins: 4; actual wins: 2 (-2)

Atlantic 10 (5, 6, 7); Expected wins: 3; actual wins: 1 (-2)

Big East (1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6, 9); Expected wins: 8; actual wins: 3 (-5)

[Andy]

Conference performance relative to seed, thus far (using simple higher seed wins expectations):

 

Pac 10 (8, 11); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 3 (+2)

WCC (8, 10); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 3 (+2)

MVC (9); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 2 (+2)

ACC (1, 4, 7, 9, 9, 10); Expected wins: 3; actual wins: 4 (+1)

Horizon (5); Expected wins: 1; actual wins: 2 (+1)

Ivy League (12); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

OVC (13); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

CAA (11); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

MAC (14); Expected wins: 0; actual wins: 1 (+1)

Big Ten (2, 4, 4, 5, 11); Expected wins: 4; actual wins: 4 (0)

SEC (1, 4, 6, 10); Expected wins: 5; actual wins: 4 (-1)

Big 12 (1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10); Expected wins: 9; actual wins: 7 (-2)

Mountain West (3, 7, 8, 11); Expected wins: 4; actual wins: 2 (-2)

Atlantic 10 (5, 6, 7); Expected wins: 3; actual wins: 1 (-2)

Big East (1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 6, 6, 9); Expected wins: 8; actual wins: 3 (-5)

More information I already knew.

 

Look, this performance blows. I've said it before, I'll say it again even if Cuse, Pitt and WVU all make the Elite Eight and even if Cuse and WVU make the title game.

 

That doesn't invalidate an entire season's worth of data that made pretty clear that the top 3 leagues in America were the Big 12 first, and then the ACC and Big East 2nd and 3rd in some order. Unless you're a moron.

[Andy]

Anyway, with that, I give. Pound away. Whatever. I would've thought if anyone understood how annoying it is to see your league dismissed because of a tiny sample size of postseason performance, it'd be Big Ten football fans. Apparently I was way off.

[Outshined_One]

Meanwhile, Gonzaga isn't doing so hot.

[Guest]

Anyway, with that, I give. Pound away. Whatever. I would've thought if anyone understood how annoying it is to see your league dismissed because of a tiny sample size of postseason performance, it'd be Big Ten football fans. Apparently I was way off.

 

You take these things very seriously.