Theriot on Castro

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

From Muskat

 

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"For me, it's exciting to know there's somebody coming like that who can help this team win," Theriot said. "If [Castro] does what he's supposed to do, and does what everyone says he can do, I think everyone in this clubhouse is excited and happy for that. And I enjoy second base. Second base is fun."

[Clem Fandango]

Second base is fun.

 

You're right about that, Ryan

[A-Cal]

Aw, Theriot is beaten and humble.

 

:lol:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Aw, Theriot is beaten and humble.

 

:lol:

 

 

Well, that was his response to if he would help Castro.

 

He also said....

 

"As it is now, I am the shortstop and I have been for three years," Theriot said Saturday. I feel I've done a good job and he's going to have to come get it."

[Sammy Sofa]

A good second baseman is even more fun.

[17 Seconds]

fontenot's quote regarding theriot's quote on a potential move to 2b:

 

[expletive] you, ryan.

[KaiserCesar]

fontenot's quote regarding theriot's quote on a potential move to 2b:

 

[expletive] you, ryan.

 

the new 'cajun connection' could be one of the fist the mouth variety

[biittner77]

fontenot's quote regarding theriot's quote on a potential move to 2b:

 

[expletive] you, ryan.

 

Baker is the one that should be mad. Fontenot's LH bat will find more time at 2nd than Baker if Castro is starting at SS.

[Splendid Splinter]

fontenot's quote regarding theriot's quote on a potential move to 2b:

 

[expletive] you, ryan.

 

Baker is the one that should be mad. Fontenot's LH bat will find more time at 2nd than Baker if Castro is starting at SS.

 

 

BUUUTTT... BUTTT.... Baker will go into his "Mark DeRosa SUPER UTIL role" when that happens.... either that or we trade one of the MIs when Castro is called up so we don't have like 6 MIs on the team.

[biittner77]

That's better than seeing Theriot in the super utility role, getting starts in CF and 3rd.

[Ryne Ween]

"You must be lucky my Starlin

'Cause you make the darkness seem so far

And when I'm lost you'll be my guide

I just turn around and you're by my side

 

Starlin, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlin, [starbright] make everything all right

Starlin, starbright first star I see tonight

Starlin, [starbright]

 

Come on shine your heavenly body tonight

'Cause I know you're gonna make everything all right"

 

- Ryan Theriot

[Four and Twenty]

And here I thought this was a thread about a Theriot sighting at the Castro Street Fair.

 

And no, I'm not. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Four and Twenty

[Southpaw191679666239]

Theriot hit on wrist by Fastball in BP!

 

Get your Castro gear now!*

 

 

 

 

*He seemed to be okay. :(

[erik316wttn]

Ryan's throwing deficiencies won't be as great at 2B. He's probably better off there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ryan's throwing deficiencies won't be as great at 2B. He's probably better off there.

 

Except for it being harder to justify such mediocrity with the bat out of a 2B. Those guys need to be essentially as productive as 3B in today's game.

[Roast]

Ryan's throwing deficiencies won't be as great at 2B. He's probably better off there.

 

Except for it being harder to justify such mediocrity with the bat out of a 2B. Those guys need to be essentially as productive as 3B in today's game.

I thought you were crazy when I first read that, but after looking it up:

 

                                                                            
Split      R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB   SO   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS BAbip tOPS+
as 2B   2678 5101 1057 117 477 2220 389 2977 .271 .336 .416 .752  .298   100
as 3B   2515 4899  966  85 588 2483 407 3763 .265 .335 .421 .757  .301   101
as SS   2485 5020  934 148 348 2043 345 2935 .271 .328 .393 .721  .303    92

 

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table

Generated 2/25/2010.

 

 

Also, for anyone who wondered, the baseball-reference "share" table tool is [expletive] incredible.

[indycub]

Castro should be starting SS on opening day! He couldn't do any worse than the riot, and his potential is endless.

[indycub]

Castro should be starting SS on opening day! He couldn't do any worse than the riot, and his potential is endless.

[Roast]

Castro should be starting SS on opening day! He couldn't do any worse than the riot, and his potential is endless.

Right now? Yes he could. Much worse, possibly. There's no need to rush his development.

[indycub]

Castro should be starting SS on opening day! He couldn't do any worse than the riot, and his potential is endless.

Right now? Yes he could. Much worse, possibly. There's no need to rush his development.

 

He is already playing on the MLB level. Why hold him back? I don't see how major league experience would rush his development. That experience would be priceless. In my opinion, he is developed, and should be the opening day starter. If the riot should be starting anywhere, it should be 2B. If I were Lou my opening day starting infield would be Ramirez-Castro-Theriot-Lee. And there is no possible way he would do any worse than Theriot at SS.

[dew1679666265]

Castro should be starting SS on opening day! He couldn't do any worse than the riot, and his potential is endless.

Right now? Yes he could. Much worse, possibly. There's no need to rush his development.

 

He is already playing on the MLB level. Why hold him back? I don't see how major league experience would rush his development. That experience would be priceless. In my opinion, he is developed, and should be the opening day starter. If the riot should be starting anywhere, it should be 2B. If I were Lou my opening day starting infield would be Ramirez-Castro-Theriot-Lee. And there is no possible way he would do any worse than Theriot at SS.

 

Elvis Andrus couldn't break a .700 OPS offensively last year and he was considered to have a good rookie year. It's entire possible Castro could OPS in the .675 or so range, while Theriot should OPS at least .720 or better.

 

Defense might propel Castro over Theriot in that scenario, but I don't know that it's a guarantee.

[jersey cubs fan]

Elvis Andrus couldn't break a .700 OPS offensively last year and he was considered to have a good rookie year. It's entire possible Castro could OPS in the .675 or so range, while Theriot should OPS at least .720 or better.

 

Defense might propel Castro over Theriot in that scenario, but I don't know that it's a guarantee.

 

Theriot's production is no guarantee either, and it remains to be seen if he has an OPS over 720. He's just 2 seasons removed from a 672 OPS, last year was 712, and is now 30. We've seen his peak, and it's highly likely he won't be back there again.

[dew1679666265]

Elvis Andrus couldn't break a .700 OPS offensively last year and he was considered to have a good rookie year. It's entire possible Castro could OPS in the .675 or so range, while Theriot should OPS at least .720 or better.

 

Defense might propel Castro over Theriot in that scenario, but I don't know that it's a guarantee.

 

Theriot's production is no guarantee either, and it remains to be seen if he has an OPS over 720. He's just 2 seasons removed from a 672 OPS, last year was 712, and is now 30. We've seen his peak, and it's highly likely he won't be back there again.

 

He likely won't be a .745 OPS guy, but I don't know that he's likely to regress that much. A .710-.720 OPS is probably a solid bet for him. I'd love it if Castro could match that, but it's not likely.

[jersey cubs fan]

Elvis Andrus couldn't break a .700 OPS offensively last year and he was considered to have a good rookie year. It's entire possible Castro could OPS in the .675 or so range, while Theriot should OPS at least .720 or better.

 

Defense might propel Castro over Theriot in that scenario, but I don't know that it's a guarantee.

 

Theriot's production is no guarantee either, and it remains to be seen if he has an OPS over 720. He's just 2 seasons removed from a 672 OPS, last year was 712, and is now 30. We've seen his peak, and it's highly likely he won't be back there again.

 

He likely won't be a .745 OPS guy, but I don't know that he's likely to regress that much. A .710-.720 OPS is probably a solid bet for him. I'd love it if Castro could match that, but it's not likely.

 

When you're talking about guy coming off 712, with a goal to be 710-720, then sub 700 is hardly a stretch.

[dew1679666265]

Elvis Andrus couldn't break a .700 OPS offensively last year and he was considered to have a good rookie year. It's entire possible Castro could OPS in the .675 or so range, while Theriot should OPS at least .720 or better.

 

Defense might propel Castro over Theriot in that scenario, but I don't know that it's a guarantee.

 

Theriot's production is no guarantee either, and it remains to be seen if he has an OPS over 720. He's just 2 seasons removed from a 672 OPS, last year was 712, and is now 30. We've seen his peak, and it's highly likely he won't be back there again.

 

He likely won't be a .745 OPS guy, but I don't know that he's likely to regress that much. A .710-.720 OPS is probably a solid bet for him. I'd love it if Castro could match that, but it's not likely.

 

When you're talking about guy coming off 712, with a goal to be 710-720, then sub 700 is hardly a stretch.

 

Well sure, but on the flip side, a .730+ OPS is possible as well. I'm not saying Theriot will definitely be better than Castro, I'm saying that Castro being as good as Theriot is far from a guarantee. In fact, the likelihood is that Theriot will be the superior offensive player.

 

Is that a certainty? Of course not. But my post is in response to the idea that Castro is guaranteed to be as good or better than Theriot and that's not accurate.