Aroldis Chapman to Reds

[Bruno7481]

5 yrs/30 Million.

 

How many picked the Reds to sign this guy?

[Cubswin11]

Didn't see the Reds at all in this, it's a good move for them IMO.

[BCVM22]

What are Dusty's thoughts on the signing?

[JeffH]

What are Dusty's thoughts on the signing?

 

"Fresh meat, Dude."

[UMFan83]

What are Dusty's thoughts on the signing?

 

 

He probably promised him that he could pitch 8 innings every other game.

[Sammys Boombox]

I don't really care, but why wasn't this thread locked and the other one given an updated title? Isn't that usually how it works?

[chasinf5s]

Wasted talent going to a manager who will destory his arm

[Outshined_One]

I don't really care, but why wasn't this thread locked and the other one given an updated title? Isn't that usually how it works?

 

This was the first thread posted to Transactions, where the topic belongs.

[17 Seconds]

reds are gonna be really good soon

 

the reds are sleepers this season

 

the reds have some amazing young offensive talent, so if they get pitching then look out

 

etc etc

[Sammys Boombox]

I don't really care, but why wasn't this thread locked and the other one given an updated title? Isn't that usually how it works?

 

This was the first thread posted to Transactions, where the topic belongs.

 

Gotcha.

[RedFlash]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

[JeffH]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

Yes, to the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

It will be hard to trade him after Dusty toasts his arm after a year and a half.

[TruffleShuffle]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

[RedFlash]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

 

The only thing that the Reds got going for them is they didn't have to spend nearly as the Red Sox did for Dice-K. Otherwise, I'm just not impressed with another overhyped Cuban.

[Clem Fandango]

Dusty won't be around long enough to get his hands on him

[17 Seconds]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

 

The only thing that the Reds got going for them is they didn't have to spend nearly as the Red Sox did for Dice-K. Otherwise, I'm just not impressed with another overhyped Cuban.

 

can you tell us what you don't like about him?

[KingCubsFan]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

 

The only thing that the Reds got going for them is they didn't have to spend nearly as the Red Sox did for Dice-K. Otherwise, I'm just not impressed with another overhyped Cuban.

 

can you tell us what you don't like about him?

He doesn't appear to have a reliable secondary pitch and he hasn't faced much high-level competition. It's not a terrible signing for the money (he certainly has a ton of potential) and it's better that the Reds are spending their money on young players with promise as opposed to spending it on players like Francisco Cordero. But it's hard to overlook the fact that Cuban free agents have, by and large, failed to live up to expectations in the US and say this was a great signing when the Reds could have taken the money and spread it amongst other international free agents or draft picks. Outside of Alexei Ramirez and a half-season of Jose Contreras, they've all been busts so far.

[Guest]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

 

The only thing that the Reds got going for them is they didn't have to spend nearly as the Red Sox did for Dice-K. Otherwise, I'm just not impressed with another overhyped Cuban.

 

can you tell us what you don't like about him?

I can tell you you're likely to get a heck of a lot more value out of signing 30 $1M players out of latin america than spending $30M on Chapman.

[Outshined_One]

I can tell you you're likely to get a heck of a lot more value out of signing 30 $1M players out of latin america than spending $30M on Chapman.

 

In fairness, how many of those $1m players are likely to become as good as Chapman currently is? How many of them would have a ceiling comparable to Chapman?

[17 Seconds]

Color me unimpress. Felix Sanchez could throw the ball with hisleft hand and in the upper 90s, too. 3 years Reds will be trading this guy after his disappoints.

 

and some other guys throw lefthanded and in the mid 90s and are really good.

 

The only thing that the Reds got going for them is they didn't have to spend nearly as the Red Sox did for Dice-K. Otherwise, I'm just not impressed with another overhyped Cuban.

 

can you tell us what you don't like about him?

He doesn't appear to have a reliable secondary pitch and he hasn't faced much high-level competition. It's not a terrible signing for the money (he certainly has a ton of potential) and it's better that the Reds are spending their money on young players with promise as opposed to spending it on players like Francisco Cordero. But it's hard to overlook the fact that Cuban free agents have, by and large, failed to live up to expectations in the US and say this was a great signing when the Reds could have taken the money and spread it amongst other international free agents or draft picks. Outside of Alexei Ramirez and a half-season of Jose Contreras, they've all been busts so far.

 

fair enough.

[Clem Fandango]

Outside of Alexei Ramirez and a half-season of Jose Contreras, they've all been busts so far.

 

Kendry Morales and Yunel Escobar are going to throw a pity party together

[Guest]

I can tell you you're likely to get a heck of a lot more value out of signing 30 $1M players out of latin america than spending $30M on Chapman.

 

In fairness, how many of those $1m players are likely to become as good as Chapman currently is? How many of them would have a ceiling comparable to Chapman?

which would you take...Chapman at $30M or the top 15 or so dominican signees this year (I'm guessing all those guys together would add up to around a $30M investment)? This is a huge no-brainer for me. First, you spread the injury risk. Second, in a year from now, you could very well believe that a couple of those guys could have the same ceiling as Chapman.

 

To me, if you're going to invest that kind of coin in a single prospect, he'd better be unbelievably, unquestionably the best-est, super-est, can't miss prospect there ever was. I don't see Chapman being in that stratosphere or even remotely close to it.

[Clem Fandango]

I can tell you you're likely to get a heck of a lot more value out of signing 30 $1M players out of latin america than spending $30M on Chapman.

 

In fairness, how many of those $1m players are likely to become as good as Chapman currently is? How many of them would have a ceiling comparable to Chapman?

which would you take...Chapman at $30M or the top 15 or so dominican signees this year (I'm guessing all those guys together would add up to around a $30M investment)? This is a huge no-brainer for me. First, you spread the injury risk. Second, in a year from now, you could very well believe that a couple of those guys could have the same ceiling as Chapman.

 

To me, if you're going to invest that kind of coin in a single prospect, he'd better be unbelievably, unquestionably the best-est, super-est, can't miss prospect there ever was. I don't see Chapman being in that stratosphere or even remotely close to it.

 

Also to give it some perspective Stephen Strasburg who is one of the most, if not THE most, highly touted can't miss prospect of the last decade or so signed for less than Aroldis Chapman, signing bonus included. I like Chapman but him getting paid more than Strasburg is ridiculous. Strasburg is younger than Chapman, can throw as fast if not faster than Chapman, and has shown that he has more than one great pitch. Chapman is a lefty who can throw 100mph but, from what I've read IIRC, can't spot it consistently and also doesn't have a good 2nd pitch and needs to develop one in the minors. Meanwhile Strasburg could slide right into the #1 slot in Washington's rotation this season.

 

I like Chapman, don't get me wrong, but I'm shocked that so many teams were willing to go so high for him, and that he actually got as much as he got

[davearm2]

I can tell you you're likely to get a heck of a lot more value out of signing 30 $1M players out of latin america than spending $30M on Chapman.

 

In fairness, how many of those $1m players are likely to become as good as Chapman currently is? How many of them would have a ceiling comparable to Chapman?

which would you take...Chapman at $30M or the top 15 or so dominican signees this year (I'm guessing all those guys together would add up to around a $30M investment)? This is a huge no-brainer for me. First, you spread the injury risk. Second, in a year from now, you could very well believe that a couple of those guys could have the same ceiling as Chapman.

 

To me, if you're going to invest that kind of coin in a single prospect, he'd better be unbelievably, unquestionably the best-est, super-est, can't miss prospect there ever was. I don't see Chapman being in that stratosphere or even remotely close to it.

 

Also to give it some perspective Stephen Strasburg who is one of the most, if not THE most, highly touted can't miss prospect of the last decade or so signed for less than Aroldis Chapman, signing bonus included. I like Chapman but him getting paid more than Strasburg is ridiculous. Strasburg is younger than Chapman, can throw as fast if not faster than Chapman, and has shown that he has more than one great pitch. Chapman is a lefty who can throw 100mph but, from what I've read IIRC, can't spot it consistently and also doesn't have a good 2nd pitch and needs to develop one in the minors. Meanwhile Strasburg could slide right into the #1 slot in Washington's rotation this season.

 

I like Chapman, don't get me wrong, but I'm shocked that so many teams were willing to go so high for him, and that he actually got as much as he got

Totally different situations. Had Chapman been selected in the amateur draft, and had his rights controlled by one club, he wouldn't have gotten nearly as much as Strasburg.