The 2009 Winter Meetings Thread

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signing pineiro would be classic

[Clem Fandango]

Rotoworld says Cubs are among the teams interested in signing Joel Pineiro. Thoughts? He had a good WHIP last year and just over 60% the balls put into play against him were on the ground

 

Well it seems Dave Duncan fixed him, sort of, but I wouldn't touch him. He's probably going to command a lot. This was a contract year and it also happened to be his best performance since 2002. He'd cost too much... plus we really don't need him that much. I'd have no qualms about putting Gorzelanny in the 5th spot, he'd probably put up comparable numbers

[Wheelimus]

Seeing as Rich Harden apparently is looking for a one year incentive laden deal to re-build his worth I'd just rather re-sign him.

[XZero771679666304]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

[UMFan83]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

[dew1679666265]

Pirates about to sign Bobby Crosby for 1-year, $1.5 mil.

 

Boof Bonser will also be DFAd. Any interest on a cheap contract?

[Shilzzz]

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By Tim Dierkes [December 9 at 1:38pm CST]

1:38pm: The two sides have a tentative agreement, reports Zrebiec. He says the deal could be completed as early as tonight.

 

1:20pm: The Orioles and Rangers are close to swapping pitchers Kevin Millwood and Chris Ray, reports Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports agrees. The Rangers would of course send cash in the deal. Ray hasn't heard anything yet, according to MASN's Steve Melewski.

[XZero771679666304]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

And in 2011. 2yr/7.5 million.

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Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

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Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

And in 2011. 2yr/7.5 million.

 

what's better than overpaying for one pitcher? overpaying for 2 pitchers!

[dew1679666265]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

Hawkins is a pretty decent reliever.

[XZero771679666304]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

Hawkins is a pretty decent reliever.

 

He's decent, but last season looks somewhat anomalous, as it was clearly his best since 2003. He certainly isn't worth 2/7.5.

 

This is a Grabow-esque signing.

[cubsfan26]

Rotoworld says Cubs are among the teams interested in signing Joel Pineiro. Thoughts? He had a good WHIP last year and just over 60% the balls put into play against him were on the ground

 

No thanks on Pineiro last season numbers seem kinda like a fluke. Compared to what he was doing in previous seasons before. Thankfully I don't have to worry about the Cubs signing Pineiro. Because some teams probably gonna give him 7-8m per season for at least two or three years. The Cubs won't have the money for that type of contract(reason why they couldn't risk Harden coming back). Plus right now adding a starting pitcher doesn't seem at the top of there list of things to do. Of course if they get rid of enough of Bradley salary they could be looking for a cheap 5th starter option or a bargin rehab type guy. But there's no way they will be bidding on any top free agent pitchers.

[Cubswin11]

Rotoworld says Cubs are among the teams interested in signing Joel Pineiro. Thoughts? He had a good WHIP last year and just over 60% the balls put into play against him were on the ground

 

No thanks on Pineiro last season numbers seem kinda like a fluke. Compared to what he was doing in previous seasons before. Thankfully I don't have to worry about the Cubs signing Pineiro. Because some teams probably gonna give him 7-8m per season for at least two or three years. The Cubs won't have the money for that type of contract(reason why they couldn't risk Harden coming back). Plus right now adding a starting pitcher doesn't seem on there top things to do. Of course if they get rid of enough of Bradley salary they could be looking for a cheap 5th starter option or a bargin rehab type guy. But there's no way they will be bidding on any top free agent pitchers.

He's going to demand too much money and years for him to be a good signing for us IMO. I'd rather take a flier on 1-2 year deals on Bedard, Duschere, Sheets, or you know actually be a smart organization and bring back [expletive] Harden.

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Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

Hawkins is a pretty decent reliever.

 

Until you make him close.

[XZero771679666304]

The only marked difference between Pineiro last year and pre-2009 is that his ground ball rate really spiked. He also walked fewer batters, and while his k rate was down, his k/bb rate was up.

 

I don't know if this was Duncan teaching him something, or it was a fluke. I wouldn't mind giving him a shot at the back of the rotation, but he'll probably want multiple years, which I wouldn't do.

[dew1679666265]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

Hawkins is a pretty decent reliever.

 

He's decent, but last season looks somewhat anomalous, as it was clearly his best since 2003. He certainly isn't worth 2/7.5.

 

This is a Grabow-esque signing.

 

It's too much money, but I think Hawkins could be better than Grabow. Hawkins was very good in 2004 for the Cubs (2.63 ERA, 69:14 K:BB, 1.02 WHIP), struggled in 2005-2006, but was pretty good again in 2007. Then he struggled again in 2008, but was very good last year. He's very inconsistent, but generally has had better peripherals than Grabow.

 

Again, I wouldn't have given him that much money, but I'd take him over Grabow.

[dew1679666265]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

Hawkins is a pretty decent reliever.

 

Until you make him close.

 

This is true.

[UMFan83]

Brewers just signed LaTroy Hawkins.

 

Cubs projected win total in 2010 just went up by 2.

 

hawkins has been pretty badass over the past 85 or so innings.

 

He seems to have a lot of trouble holding leads against the Cubs ever since he left.

[XZero771679666304]

 

It's too much money, but I think Hawkins could be better than Grabow. Hawkins was very good in 2004 for the Cubs (2.63 ERA, 69:14 K:BB, 1.02 WHIP), struggled in 2005-2006, but was pretty good again in 2007. Then he struggled again in 2008, but was very good last year. He's very inconsistent, but generally has had better peripherals than Grabow.

 

Again, I wouldn't have given him that much money, but I'd take him over Grabow.

 

I'm not convinced that after a string of decidedly average-mediocre seasons Hawkins has regained his dominance at age 36.

 

I'm not high on Grabow at all, but I don't think the Hawkins signing is any better than his.

[dew1679666265]

 

It's too much money, but I think Hawkins could be better than Grabow. Hawkins was very good in 2004 for the Cubs (2.63 ERA, 69:14 K:BB, 1.02 WHIP), struggled in 2005-2006, but was pretty good again in 2007. Then he struggled again in 2008, but was very good last year. He's very inconsistent, but generally has had better peripherals than Grabow.

 

Again, I wouldn't have given him that much money, but I'd take him over Grabow.

 

I'm not convinced that after a string of decidedly average-mediocre seasons Hawkins has regained his dominance at age 36.

 

I'm not high on Grabow at all, but I don't think the Hawkins signing is any better than his.

 

That's the thing, there's been no string of average-mediocre seasons. He's been very inconsistent, but was above average to good in 2004, 2007 and 2009. He was average or worse in 2005, 2006 and 2008. Evaluating with that, he's as likely to be dominant this year as he is to be mediocre. Being 36 doesn't help, though.

 

Grabow has pretty consistently had poor peripherals.

Edited December 9, 2009 by dew

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It's too much money, but I think Hawkins could be better than Grabow. Hawkins was very good in 2004 for the Cubs (2.63 ERA, 69:14 K:BB, 1.02 WHIP), struggled in 2005-2006, but was pretty good again in 2007. Then he struggled again in 2008, but was very good last year. He's very inconsistent, but generally has had better peripherals than Grabow.

 

Again, I wouldn't have given him that much money, but I'd take him over Grabow.

 

I'm not convinced that after a string of decidedly average-mediocre seasons Hawkins has regained his dominance at age 36.

 

I'm not high on Grabow at all, but I don't think the Hawkins signing is any better than his.

 

it isn't, really.

[dew1679666265]

 

It's too much money, but I think Hawkins could be better than Grabow. Hawkins was very good in 2004 for the Cubs (2.63 ERA, 69:14 K:BB, 1.02 WHIP), struggled in 2005-2006, but was pretty good again in 2007. Then he struggled again in 2008, but was very good last year. He's very inconsistent, but generally has had better peripherals than Grabow.

 

Again, I wouldn't have given him that much money, but I'd take him over Grabow.

 

I'm not convinced that after a string of decidedly average-mediocre seasons Hawkins has regained his dominance at age 36.

 

I'm not high on Grabow at all, but I don't think the Hawkins signing is any better than his.

 

it isn't, really.

 

I think it's better, but not significantly so. I think Hawkins is better, but Grabow is younger and less likely to decline.

[XZero771679666304]

And surprisingly, aside from walks, many of Grabow's peripherals look slightly better. Higher k/9, better BAA.

[dew1679666265]

And surprisingly, aside from walks, many of Grabow's peripherals look slightly better. Higher k/9, better BAA.

 

In Hawkins' bad years, his WHIP has been similar to Grabow's, but his BB/9 has been better. Grabow's K/9 is consistently better, though. Grabow has been consistently better in his K:BB, though again, he walks more than Hawkins.

 

I can see the reasoning behind the comparison to Grabow.