Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Agreed. I'm not saying it absolutely won't work. I'm just more cautiously optimistic than deliriously happy. Been burned too many times before. (Nomar, Wallace, Soriano, Campbell, Cutler).

[Butterscup1679666578]

You're calling Cutler a bust already?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You're calling Cutler a bust already?

 

We traded two first-round picks for a guy who threw 26 interceptions.

[soapy]

You're calling Cutler a bust already?

 

We traded two first-round picks for a guy who threw 26 interceptions.

 

And he definitely won't have several more years of playing time from which we might be able to more accurately analyze him.

 

Nope, 26 INTs in year one. Loser.

[sweetpeteman]

You're calling Cutler a bust already?

 

We traded two first-round picks for a guy who threw 26 interceptions.

 

And he definitely won't have several more years of playing time from which we might be able to more accurately analyze him.

 

Nope, 26 INTs in year one. Loser.

 

It can also be said like this:

 

The Bears traded two first round picks for a 26 yr old probowler who threw 27 TD's and for 3600+ yds.

Edited March 5, 2010 by sweetpeteman

[David]

I think 1 year is way too soon to call a 26 year old player who has shown the ability to be a good player in this league a bust of an acquisition, but what do I know.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears have to be one of the more profitable teams in the NFL so the money has always been there. It's just the McCaskey's are usually pissy about spending it. Not this year with Angelo and Lovie's jobs on the line.

 

Actually the Bears are ridiculed by many for not squeezing every dollar they can out of the franchise. They aren't as profitable as they could be if they treated their team like Snyder and Jones treat theirs. And the Bears always spend money. It's ridiculous to suggest they are a penny pinching team. They've gone after several high priced free agents this past decade, overpaying for most of them and getting burned by it. They had one of the highest paid head coaches in the league last season as well. They never lose their own players to free agency, having spent an insane amount to keep the 2006 team around, even as several of those guys started to decline. They spent huge on Harris, Urlacher, Briggs, Ogunleye, Tillman, Vasher, and just last year invested heavily in a quarterback who they are going to have to give a $100+ million contract in a couple years.

[Butterscup1679666578]

You're calling Cutler a bust already?

 

We traded two first-round picks for a guy who threw 26 interceptions.

 

I mean, I know he was surrounded by 10 Pro Bowlers on offense, but come on.

[Wilson A2000]

The Bears should be the most profitable NFL teams in that they have the second biggest market all too themselves, but I remember that they were at the bottom end of the top 10 in profits. The Bears have money even though they should have more, but just as with the Cubs, they don't spend it well (giving in to Urlacher, Tommie, and Hester.) Go ahead and get Peppers, but that money better not keep them from pursuing a great player in his prime. Edited March 5, 2010 by Wilson A2000

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks.

 

Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.

[jersey cubs fan]

Holy Crap! Where did all this money come from? Julius Peppers? The Bears never get a free agent like that.

 

I guess that's what happens when everyone on the team except the owners might lose their jobs after 1 year?

 

It's an uncapped year. The money has always been there.

 

Well, some of the money came from getting guys off the books, including Ogunleye. Plus, they don't have to set aside a huge chunk of change for a first round draft pick. I don't really think they are going to blow by what would be the likely cap number, they can't do that if they return to a capped season in 2011, assuming they return at all.

[soapy]

He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks.

 

Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.

 

And to pretend that the 26 INTs he threw last year isn't out of line with his history is insane. Meanwhile, he's gone 20, 25 and 27 TDs the last three years and had almost no weapons surrounding him last year along with a horrible offensive line.

 

You can't be serious, Kyle.

[jersey cubs fan]

He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks.

 

Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.

 

It's well beyond theoretically possible that he'll make it worth it. There's work to be done, but it's hardly an uphill battle.

 

Of the 7 1st round picks they've had since Urlacher, only 1 has proven to be worth it, and his value plumetted after just a couple years - Harris. Williams might be worth it, but that's far from a sure thing. Cutler is more valuable to the team already than every single one of those 1st round picks combined.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks.

 

Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.

 

And to pretend that the 26 INTs he threw last year isn't out of line with his history is insane. Meanwhile, he's gone 20, 25 and 27 TDs the last three years and had almost no weapons surrounding him last year along with a horrible offensive line.

 

You can't be serious, Kyle.

 

You can't be serious.

 

Before the season, if Bears fans had been asked if a 26-INT season would be okay, there's no way they would have said yes. But now that it happened, it's too painful to just admit how awful Cutler was, so it's got to be rationalized.

 

Yes, the rest of the offense was bad. But there's no amount of awful surrounding a quarterback that makes the kind of season Cutler had to be okay.

 

And it's not as if this were an uncontroversial move. A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler. Then he went out and was even worse than expected.

[da bears]

there's really no point in arguing with people who hate jay cutler. it all comes back to 26 interceptions blah blah blah. and while nobody is saying he had a good year, most people believe he can turn it around. except those who either liked kyle orton, think the bears would have better off with the first round picks (history shows otherwise), or feel burned by cutler because they thought the bears would do better.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

there's really no point in arguing with people who hate jay cutler. it all comes back to 26 interceptions blah blah blah. and while nobody is saying he had a good year, most people believe he can turn it around. except those who either liked kyle orton, think the bears would have better off with the first round picks (history shows otherwise), or feel burned by cutler because they thought the bears would do better.

 

Yes. People who dislike quarterbacks who lead the league in interceptions are just having agendas, whereas fans of a team who insist that everything is okay are the objective ones.

[Sammy Sofa]

Step aside, folks: there's a new footballknowitall.com a-brewin'! When one bizarrely-coiffed manimal goes down another is there to valiantly take his place! Edited March 5, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[jersey cubs fan]

A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler.

 

That's not even close to true.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So because the Bears turned into a bad team from poor drafting, they should just stop trying to draft good players, despite the fact that drafting good players in the first round has been pretty much the only way anyone ever built a championship-caliber team in the last two or three decades?

[Smack]

So, dumb question time. I'm assuming because next year is going to be 'uncapped' we want to frontload the hell out of any contracts we give to guys this offseason? As opposed to giving the players a bonus that will be prorated against the future cap over the length of the contract?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler.

 

That's not even close to true.

 

So when Cutler first went on the market, lots of teams thought two first-round picks was good value?

[da bears]

there's really no point in arguing with people who hate jay cutler. it all comes back to 26 interceptions blah blah blah. and while nobody is saying he had a good year, most people believe he can turn it around. except those who either liked kyle orton, think the bears would have better off with the first round picks (history shows otherwise), or feel burned by cutler because they thought the bears would do better.

 

Yes. People who dislike quarterbacks who lead the league in interceptions are just having agendas, whereas fans of a team who insist that everything is okay are the objective ones.

who said that everything is okay? the bears sucked last year and cutler had a bad year. but most people on here can see that it was one year and still believe a guy who made the pro bowl the year before can turn it around.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Step aside, folks: there's a new footballknowitall.com a-brewin'! When one bizarrely-coiffed manimal goes down another is there to valiantly take his place!

 

Translation: I have no real argument here, but I secretly hope the other posters laugh when I post mean things because it makes me feel like one of the cool kids.

[soapy]

He set the franchise record for interceptions. And we gave up two first-round picks.

 

Sure, it's theoretically possible that he'll become so awesome so as to make it worth it. But to pretend it's not an uphill battle from here is to be sticking your head in the sand.

 

And to pretend that the 26 INTs he threw last year isn't out of line with his history is insane. Meanwhile, he's gone 20, 25 and 27 TDs the last three years and had almost no weapons surrounding him last year along with a horrible offensive line.

 

You can't be serious, Kyle.

 

You can't be serious.

 

Before the season, if Bears fans had been asked if a 26-INT season would be okay, there's no way they would have said yes. But now that it happened, it's too painful to just admit how awful Cutler was, so it's got to be rationalized.

 

Yes, the rest of the offense was bad. But there's no amount of awful surrounding a quarterback that makes the kind of season Cutler had to be okay.

 

And it's not as if this were an uncontroversial move. A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler. Then he went out and was even worse than expected.

 

Jesus, of course 26 ints is awful and not acceptable. I don't understand why you are acting like he doesn't have a history of performance to look at prior to 2009 in which he was quite good. He had a horrible amount of turnovers last year. I'm not disputing that. I'm saying it doesn't mean that's going to happen going forward. His history doesn't suggest that at all.

 

If he continues to struggle it may end up that the trade was bad for the Bears. I don't think one can accurately come to that conclusion because he had one bad season, turnover-wise, in which he also threw 27 TD to a pretty shoddy receiving group.

[jersey cubs fan]

A lot of people, including most of the rest of the NFL, thought the Bears paid way too much for Cutler.

 

That's not even close to true.

 

So when Cutler first went on the market, lots of teams thought two first-round picks was good value?

 

It was the biggest reason why most people thought the Bears would never make the move, becuase for an established franchise QB, that was the bare minimum cost.