Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

It's been said before, but they really can't let these guys leave without signing contracts. I'm not assuming anything until the Dave McGinnis situation is no longer a possibility.

[Smack]

A dozen = 12, but close enough, I guess. 2400 yards, 17 touchdowns, 12 picks. Either way, congratulations, the Bears probably just went something like 4-12 or 3-13.

 

Again, this is where we'll have to respectfully disagree. I've seen too many Lovie Smith teams win seven to nine games with ball control.

Read: phenomenal defense and special teams.

 

Funny how much better a defense looks when the other team isn't given the ball in great field position 26 times through picks.

 

haha, a bottom 5 defense is Cutler's fault too now...

[Sammy Sofa]

A dozen = 12, but close enough, I guess. 2400 yards, 17 touchdowns, 12 picks. Either way, congratulations, the Bears probably just went something like 4-12 or 3-13.

 

Again, this is where we'll have to respectfully disagree. I've seen too many Lovie Smith teams win seven to nine games with ball control.

Read: phenomenal defense and special teams.

 

Funny how much better a defense looks when the other team isn't given the ball in great field position 26 times through picks.

 

Actually, Cutler's most obvious problems with his picks is giving them up in the red zone, which is more often than not give the other team horrible field position. But hey, that's the same thing as giving them great field position on all 26 picks, right? Exactly!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Peyton and Favre don't play in the "modern era?" And why is age 26 so ciritcla to the equation?

 

Because I want Cutler to be a lot better than Favre, and Manning threw his his 28 picks as a rookie at age 22. He only broke 20 once after that.

 

Wait, are you saying you want Cutler's career to be better than Favre's career? If that's your expectation than I can see why you'd be disappointed, damn.

 

Or I think the high-INT era of Favre's career was incredibly overrated

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Actually, Cutler's most obvious problems with his picks is giving them up in the red zone, which is more often than not give the other team horrible field position. But hey, that's the same thing as giving them great field position on all 26 picks, right? Exactly!

 

Defenses also play better with leads.

[Butterscup1679666578]

i'm going to throw up. jesus christ.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

haha, a bottom 5 defense is Cutler's fault too now...

 

If you want to reply to things that people didn't write, why not just open a text editing program or something? It seems foolish to spend money on an internet connection if you are going to ignore what your browser presents and just make stuff up.

[jersey cubs fan]

Kyle you are not even close to making any sense, I feel disgusting having agreed with you on a couple other subjects, absolutely disgusting.

 

 

 

How does somebody who is supportive of Cristobal Huet get so over the top negative on Jay Cutler?

[ctcf]

i'm going to throw up. jesus christ.

 

hahaha

[Magnetic Curses]

kyle's never said anything, ever.

[Guest]

Good news on Urlacher

 

Brian Urlacher (wrist) said he expects to be close to 100 percent when the Bears begin their offseason program on March 29.

 

Urlacher has been bench pressing for a month, an activity that undoubtedly puts heavy strain on that surgically repaired wrist. His health and effectiveness will be a key to the Bears' season, regardless if Julius Peppers is on board.

 

And Peppers has offers out there from Chicago, Philly and NE.

I thought Philly and NE were too good to have to "buy" players in free agency.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As for the Cutler trade, if he doesn't ever become an elite QB he probably won't be worth what the Bears traded for him. Returning to Denver numbers won't be good enough IMO to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd (if you assume Orton was traded for the 5th). That's way too much value to give up for a QB who has turned it over too much his whole career. He still has plenty of time though to try to learn how to not make those horrible throws and to label him a bust after one year is premature. I definitely believe it is an uphill battle though because it's really hard to make that leap into the next echelon of QB's.

 

Hmm. CCP making pretty much the exact same point I did (and notice I never once called Cutler a "bust"), yet no hysterical "I can't believe this guy" responses.

[bukie]

A dozen = 12, but close enough, I guess. 2400 yards, 17 touchdowns, 12 picks. Either way, congratulations, the Bears probably just went something like 4-12 or 3-13.

 

Again, this is where we'll have to respectfully disagree. I've seen too many Lovie Smith teams win seven to nine games with ball control.

Read: phenomenal defense and special teams.

 

Funny how much better a defense looks when the other team isn't given the ball in great field position 26 times through picks.

I think the primary difference in philosophy exists because you seem to think the Bears did well because of their "ball control" offense rather than in spite of it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Kyle you are not even close to making any sense, I feel disgusting having agreed with you on a couple other subjects, absolutely disgusting.

 

 

 

How does somebody who is supportive of Cristobal Huet get so over the top negative on Jay Cutler?

 

Saying I don't think 2 first-round picks was worth it and that there's a good chance he's never a "franchise" QB is over-the-top negative?

[Guest]

As for the Cutler trade, if he doesn't ever become an elite QB he probably won't be worth what the Bears traded for him. Returning to Denver numbers won't be good enough IMO to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd (if you assume Orton was traded for the 5th). That's way too much value to give up for a QB who has turned it over too much his whole career. He still has plenty of time though to try to learn how to not make those horrible throws and to label him a bust after one year is premature. I definitely believe it is an uphill battle though because it's really hard to make that leap into the next echelon of QB's.

 

Hmm. CCP making pretty much the exact same point I did (and notice I never once called Cutler a "bust"), yet no hysterical "I can't believe this guy" responses.

You're not saying anything close to the exact same thing.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think the primary difference in philosophy exists because you seem to think the Bears did well because of their "ball control" offense rather than in spite of it.

 

Agreed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

As for the Cutler trade, if he doesn't ever become an elite QB he probably won't be worth what the Bears traded for him. Returning to Denver numbers won't be good enough IMO to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd (if you assume Orton was traded for the 5th). That's way too much value to give up for a QB who has turned it over too much his whole career. He still has plenty of time though to try to learn how to not make those horrible throws and to label him a bust after one year is premature. I definitely believe it is an uphill battle though because it's really hard to make that leap into the next echelon of QB's.

 

Hmm. CCP making pretty much the exact same point I did (and notice I never once called Cutler a "bust"), yet no hysterical "I can't believe this guy" responses.

You're not saying anything close to the exact same thing.

 

So what have I said that's different from what he said?

[Smack]

haha, a bottom 5 defense is Cutler's fault too now...

 

If you want to reply to things that people didn't write, why not just open a text editing program or something? It seems foolish to spend money on an internet connection if you are going to ignore what your browser presents and just make stuff up.

 

I'm sorry, didn't mean to offend. Please keep going on the Cutler topic, I needed a good laugh this morning.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm still trying to figure out why you want a situation where the Bears can win 7-9 games.

 

 

They just freaking did that.

[Sammy Sofa]

Kyle you are not even close to making any sense, I feel disgusting having agreed with you on a couple other subjects, absolutely disgusting.

 

 

 

How does somebody who is supportive of Cristobal Huet get so over the top negative on Jay Cutler?

 

Saying I don't think 2 first-round picks was worth it and that there's a good chance he's never a "franchise" QB is over-the-top negative?

 

Because of the nature of your argument. Your entire case hinges on the picks. You're ignoring everything else and making ridiculous declarations (look at the horrible hypothetical seasons you said you'd welcome) to stick to your point. You're well beyond simply saying "they overpaid."

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm still trying to figure out why you want a situation where the Bears can win 7-9 games.

 

 

They just freaking did that.

 

I'm saying Cutler didn't improve our situation, and since he didn't, I'd rather just have the two first-round draft picks back.

[Guest]

As for the Cutler trade, if he doesn't ever become an elite QB he probably won't be worth what the Bears traded for him. Returning to Denver numbers won't be good enough IMO to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd (if you assume Orton was traded for the 5th). That's way too much value to give up for a QB who has turned it over too much his whole career. He still has plenty of time though to try to learn how to not make those horrible throws and to label him a bust after one year is premature. I definitely believe it is an uphill battle though because it's really hard to make that leap into the next echelon of QB's.

 

Hmm. CCP making pretty much the exact same point I did (and notice I never once called Cutler a "bust"), yet no hysterical "I can't believe this guy" responses.

You're not saying anything close to the exact same thing.

 

So what have I said that's different from what he said?

Because everything in your world is black and white and revolves purely around the 26 picks.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Because of the nature of your argument. Your entire case hinges on the picks. You're ignoring everything else and making ridiculous declarations (look at the horrible hypothetical seasons you said you'd welcome) to stick to your point. You're well beyond simply saying "they overpaid."

 

Forgive me for thinking that when a quarterback leads the league in interceptions, that should be the defining portion of his season.

[Sammy Sofa]

As for the Cutler trade, if he doesn't ever become an elite QB he probably won't be worth what the Bears traded for him. Returning to Denver numbers won't be good enough IMO to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd (if you assume Orton was traded for the 5th). That's way too much value to give up for a QB who has turned it over too much his whole career. He still has plenty of time though to try to learn how to not make those horrible throws and to label him a bust after one year is premature. I definitely believe it is an uphill battle though because it's really hard to make that leap into the next echelon of QB's.

 

Hmm. CCP making pretty much the exact same point I did (and notice I never once called Cutler a "bust"), yet no hysterical "I can't believe this guy" responses.

You're not saying anything close to the exact same thing.

 

So what have I said that's different from what he said?

 

You specifically said you'd rather have 2400-yard, 15-TD, 10-pick seasons.

[bukie]

I'm still trying to figure out why you want a situation where the Bears can win 7-9 games.

 

 

They just freaking did that.

 

I'm saying Cutler didn't improve our situation, and since he didn't, I'd rather just have the two first-round draft picks back.

If Cutler were the only difference between the 2008 and 2009 team, you might have a more valid argument.