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Cutler obviously has his flaws, but I think him throwing more TD's last year than any other year of his career given the circumstances was pretty damn impressive.

 

I don't think Cutler is elite, but he's still a franchise guy. He's always going to throw more picks than you'd ideally want; it's going to be a matter of coaching and constructing a team to minimize that while capitalizing on his obvious talent...somewhat similar to Favre.

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Well I don't want to nitpick a fluff piece interview but Bruce was already damn good when Martz got there and Holt is a hall of famer. I did forget Az Hakim though...they did some nifty things with him in that offense.

 

I wonder what he thinks of Forte.

 

 

It's in there.

On running back Matt Forte:

"There's so many thing you can do with him. He has the same kind of multi-abilities as (former Rams star) Marshall (Faulk). Soft hands. Change of direction. Good route runner. He's a very unselfish pass-blocker, so he's willing to stick his nose in there. He's the complete package. And the formation to get him matched up inside on linebackers and, on occasion, safeties will be a good part of what we do."

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Cutler did amazingly well? Come on man. You're letting the last two weeks of solid play cloud your judgment. He consistently made horrible decisions for most of the season.

 

you have to include the last 2 weeks when you talk about the season.

 

Rodgers is a guy who did amazingly well with porous protection. He was sacked 50 times! Cutler is a guy who had his flaws exposed because of porous protection.

 

like i said, rodgers has the deepest corps of wrs in the nfl. i'm not saying he's not an elite qb, he definitely is, but he's blessed with some players. he's also a guy who hangs onto the ball a long time.

 

And it's not like Cutler didn't make his fair share of crappy decisions in Denver. He was still the league leader in red zone INTs when he had an amazing offensive line and good weapons. It was one of the concerns coming into this season.

 

no one is questioning the idea that cutler is a risk-taker, just the idea that he's not a good enough decision-maker to be an elite qb.

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Well im pretty excited about Martz. I forgot about Az Hakim, he has really turned some guys into some playmakers out of his slot position. Knox or Hester are going to kick ass in that role. Martz makes these receivers better but he wont make the line better. This is the job of JA and they need to get a bad ass FA signing. Williams at LT is more than solid. Get a bad ass Guard and try to shore up the interior of this line. Overpay for a guard if you have to.
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http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/martz-on-his-fit-with-bears-its-about-winning-games.html

 

Interview with Martz from the Tribune.

 

Some tidbits...

 

On his meeting with Jay Cutler on Saturday in Nashville, Tenn.:

"It was even better than I anticipated. There was an instant connection. You know, that happened to me and (former Lions quarterback) Jon Kitna the first time I met him.

 

"This was really interesting because we just were on the same page in so many things. In fact, I really got excited. We were in a little classroom down there at Vanderbilt, and we were just kind of talking football. And he asked about special plays. I put a play up that was designed specifically for the Tampa Cover-2. I told him this is how we put it in, ran it through, hit a touchdown on it. He asked a question about that play, a wide-receiver split, that kind of just stopped me dead in my tracks. It just showed that he's so far ahead and on top of this type of thing, that veteran quarterbacks generally don't even asked that.

 

"We had a real good dinner. Enjoyed each other's company. It was a good chance just to kind of get acquainted."

 

On how long it will take to get everything installed:

"We will be hitting on all cylinders on opening day, I can promise you that. There is character in this group; I know the kind of people that Lovie brings in. With the coaches that are in place already with Darryl (Drake), Tim (Spencer) and Mike (Tice), the challenges ahead are just getting them the information they need to do to really get all the little details coached on a regular basis and we'll be ready to go. They'll want to learn it, and that's the biggest part of all that, is the willingness to accept it to learn what you need and this is certainly that kind of group."

 

On how he might use the Bears' receivers:

"Well, they've got some speed. And that really is kind of a diamond to me. When you look at that group, it could be a real strength of this football team. With (Devin) Aromashodu -- I hope I pronounced it right. (Johnny) Knox is really a diamond to me. And Hester, with what he can do whether he's outside or in the slot. The matchups on these guys are extreme.

 

"When I went to St. Louis from Washington, Isaac Bruce was too skinny. They weren't too happy with him. He was always hurt. Had this little guy, Az Hakim, and they didn't know what they were going to do with him. Rick Proehl, slow white guy. This is three-quarters of the Greatest Show on Turf.

 

"And really, what we'll do with these guys, I think there's plenty of talent there. I'm really excited about their speed and the potential. And what we'll do is give them every opportunity to explore that and not make a definition on what any one of those guys can do, but let them prove to us and put no limits on them."

 

Holy [expletive], now I've seen it all. A coach who was just hired is speaking positively about the players he'll be coaching.

 

Seriously though the WR stuff is such exaggeration. Bruce was the 33rd overall pick who had a 119 reception season with 1,781 yards and 13 TD's. He followed that up with another 1,300 yard season before Martz arrived and was already a Pro Bowler. But yeah he was just too skinny and I'm sure they were pissed about what he did in his first 3 years. He was a fricking stud already.

Ricky Proehl was an established veteran who had his best seasons before Martz arrived. Oh and adding the #6 overall pick in Holt his first year didn't hurt things either.

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The thing that excites me most about Martz, besides the fact that he's is not Ron Turner, is that his receivers have traditionally gotten yards after the catch. The Bears have some guys that are pretty damn fast and elusive that could be pretty exciting if put in an offense where they caught the ball on the run.

 

I was so sick of seeing our 4.3-40 guys catching jump balls in traffic.

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Seems like you're pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

 

Let us enjoy our fluff piece in peace, damnit.

 

The Pace/Faulk lines really aren't much worse than his assessment of Bruce. And Proehl already had 6 years with 55+ receptions averaging 786 yards. He wasn't just a slow white guy. His ego is just ridiculous.

 

I already posted that the Martz hire is worth a shot given the Bears situation. But in STL he inherited Hall of Famers at WR, LT and RB which kind of helps. What he'll have with the Bears is closer to what he inherited with the 49ers or Lions.

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Seems like you're pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

 

Let us enjoy our fluff piece in peace, damnit.

 

The Pace/Faulk lines really aren't much worse than his assessment of Bruce. And Proehl already had 6 years with 55+ receptions averaging 786 yards. He wasn't just a slow white guy. His ego is just ridiculous.

 

I already posted that the Martz hire is worth a shot given the Bears situation. But in STL he inherited Hall of Famers at WR, LT and RB which kind of helps. What he'll have with the Bears is closer to what he inherited with the 49ers or Lions.

 

...so a 4k yrd season from the likes of kitna? ok, yea. thats horrible.

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Seems like you're pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

 

Let us enjoy our fluff piece in peace, damnit.

 

The Pace/Faulk lines really aren't much worse than his assessment of Bruce. And Proehl already had 6 years with 55+ receptions averaging 786 yards. He wasn't just a slow white guy. His ego is just ridiculous.

 

I already posted that the Martz hire is worth a shot given the Bears situation. But in STL he inherited Hall of Famers at WR, LT and RB which kind of helps. What he'll have with the Bears is closer to what he inherited with the 49ers or Lions.

 

...so a 4k yrd season from the likes of kitna? ok, yea. thats horrible.

 

He put up big yardage because they threw the ball 600 times. He also got sacked 114 times in 2 years leading to 28 fumbles and had more INT's than TD's in both years. He didn't have good seasons under Martz. You guys watched those Lions teams.

Cutler is obviously a hell of a lot more talented than Kitna. But he might not make it through the year alive if their o-line isn't better. His 49er QB's were sacked 55 times and they didn't even have 500 passes.

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Seems like you're pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

 

Let us enjoy our fluff piece in peace, damnit.

 

The Pace/Faulk lines really aren't much worse than his assessment of Bruce. And Proehl already had 6 years with 55+ receptions averaging 786 yards. He wasn't just a slow white guy. His ego is just ridiculous.

 

I already posted that the Martz hire is worth a shot given the Bears situation. But in STL he inherited Hall of Famers at WR, LT and RB which kind of helps. What he'll have with the Bears is closer to what he inherited with the 49ers or Lions.

 

...so a 4k yrd season from the likes of kitna? ok, yea. thats horrible.

 

He put up big yardage because they threw the ball 600 times. He also got sacked 114 times in 2 years leading to 28 fumbles and had more INT's than TD's in both years. He didn't have good seasons under Martz. You guys watched those Lions teams.

Cutler is obviously a hell of a lot more talented than Kitna. But he might not make it through the year alive if their o-line isn't better.

 

 

well, one things for sure, he'll fumble a whole lot less then AP

 

ouch

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Seems like you're pretty much just trolling at this point.

 

 

Let us enjoy our fluff piece in peace, damnit.

 

The Pace/Faulk lines really aren't much worse than his assessment of Bruce. And Proehl already had 6 years with 55+ receptions averaging 786 yards. He wasn't just a slow white guy. His ego is just ridiculous.

 

I already posted that the Martz hire is worth a shot given the Bears situation. But in STL he inherited Hall of Famers at WR, LT and RB which kind of helps. What he'll have with the Bears is closer to what he inherited with the 49ers or Lions.

 

...so a 4k yrd season from the likes of kitna? ok, yea. thats horrible.

 

He put up big yardage because they threw the ball 600 times. He also got sacked 114 times in 2 years leading to 28 fumbles and had more INT's than TD's in both years. He didn't have good seasons under Martz. You guys watched those Lions teams.

Cutler is obviously a hell of a lot more talented than Kitna. But he might not make it through the year alive if their o-line isn't better.

 

 

well, one things for sure, he'll fumble a whole lot less then AP

 

ouch

 

Not bad.

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Listening to BB yesterday, why do I waste my time? They are so over the top negative about the Martz hiring, yes, one of the success factors of his offense is the WR being in the right place at the right time. Given this, they make it sound as if the Bears WR are invalids incapable of learning or improving hence, Martz shouldn't even bother showing up. Yes, BB, every WR who isn't a Bear was born as superior route runner, etc. and there isn't even the remotest chance the Bears' WR will improve.

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