Blue Jays contact Cubs about Halladay

[erik316wttn]

We probably only have one year left in our window anyway.

 

I'd probably pull the trigger.

 

I'd do it if we could get Halladay to sign long-term. That would be a dealbreaker.

[Post Count Padder]

This would be nice. I give it a 0 percent chance of happening.

[haubrich91]

We don't need pitching though. I don't think it's worth trading part of the future for him.

[A-Cal]

very tempting

 

1. wouldn't want to give up castro, but i would include vitters

 

2. wouldn't want to hurt or deplete bullpen

 

still leaves much to be desired in the outfield though, but i don't really know how to solve that situation

[17 Seconds]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

[CubsWin]

In a heartbeat. I'd want to keep Castro and Brett Jackson and I'd try to keep Cashner, but anyone else in a 5-for-1 deal with Halladay coming back, absolutely.

 

As far as the money goes, assuming the Ricketts group isn't completely strapped for cash after acquiring the Cubs, I think they'd see it as an investment and a really smart one at that. Players can always be traded in money swallowing deals (where you save some by eating some) if need be. When it comes to Halladay, money-wise, you do what it takes.

 

Halladay

Zambrano

Lilly

Dempster

Whoever

 

If the Ricketts family is serious about winning a World Series (and isn't that why they bought the team?), how can they not explore this possibility, expense and all, to the fullest? Are there some lines I wouldn't be willing to cross to get this guy, yeah. But let's at least find out what lines the Cubs are being asked to cross.

[UMFan83]

As long as we are still able to sign mediocre middle relievers for $4 million a pop.

[Rob]

In a heartbeat. I'd want to keep Castro and Brett Jackson and I'd try to keep Cashner, but anyone else in a 5-for-1 deal with Halladay coming back, absolutely.

 

As far as the money goes, assuming the Ricketts group isn't completely strapped for cash after acquiring the Cubs, I think they'd see it as an investment and a really smart one at that. Players can always be traded in money swallowing deals (where you save some by eating some) if need be. When it comes to Halladay, money-wise, you do what it takes.

 

Halladay

Zambrano

Lilly

Dempster

Whoever

 

If the Ricketts family is serious about winning a World Series (and isn't that why they bought the team?), how can they not explore this possibility, expense and all, to the fullest? Are there some lines I wouldn't be willing to cross to get this guy, yeah. But let's at least find out what lines the Cubs are being asked to cross.

 

By rule, we cannot trade anybody from the most recent draft, which includes Brett Jackson.

[CubsWin]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

Right, but that's Harden. Harden is not Halladay. Take his injury history out of it and there's still no comparison. If I'm Tom Ricketts and this comes across my desk, I'm not dismissing it out of hand just because of the price tag.

 

And as far as the other players, I might be willing to put up with Sam Fuld in CF if it allows me to have Doc Halladay at the top of the rotation. His acquisition alone should lock up the Central Division crown. And if they're in first place come the deadline, players can be gotten for the stretch run. Once you get into the playoffs, other teams are looking at quite the rotation. And, you know, it's been a while since...well, I don't really need to say it, do I?

 

I understand all the arguments against and they're valid, but you've got to at least see this thing through...

[CubsWin]

As long as we are still able to sign mediocre middle relievers for $4 million a pop.

I know, right? Hopefully now that they've filled their Remlinger quota, there won't be any more of that.

[17 Seconds]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

Right, but that's Harden. Harden is not Halladay. Take his injury history out of it and there's still no comparison. If I'm Tom Ricketts and this comes across my desk, I'm not dismissing it out of hand just because of the price tag.

 

And as far as the other players, I might be willing to put up with Sam Fuld in CF if it allows me to have Doc Halladay at the top of the rotation. His acquisition alone should lock up the Central Division crown. And if they're in first place come the deadline, players can be gotten for the stretch run. Once you get into the playoffs, other teams are looking at quite the rotation. And, you know, it's been a while since...well, I don't really need to say it, do I?

 

I understand all the arguments against and they're valid, but you've got to at least see this thing through...

 

The Harden thing was just an example. The point is, all indications so far have been that they have much less than 16 million to spend on next season. I don't really think it matters how good he is or how bad Hendry might want him.

 

BTW, I wouldn't say adding Halladay locks up anything. The offense and bullpen would be highly questionable going into next season.

[CubsWin]

In a heartbeat. I'd want to keep Castro and Brett Jackson and I'd try to keep Cashner, but anyone else in a 5-for-1 deal with Halladay coming back, absolutely.

 

As far as the money goes, assuming the Ricketts group isn't completely strapped for cash after acquiring the Cubs, I think they'd see it as an investment and a really smart one at that. Players can always be traded in money swallowing deals (where you save some by eating some) if need be. When it comes to Halladay, money-wise, you do what it takes.

 

Halladay

Zambrano

Lilly

Dempster

Whoever

 

If the Ricketts family is serious about winning a World Series (and isn't that why they bought the team?), how can they not explore this possibility, expense and all, to the fullest? Are there some lines I wouldn't be willing to cross to get this guy, yeah. But let's at least find out what lines the Cubs are being asked to cross.

 

By rule, we cannot trade anybody from the most recent draft, which includes Brett Jackson.

Good. In that case, I'd hang on to Trey McNutt, too. Oh, and Glenn Cook! :wink:

[CubsWin]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

Right, but that's Harden. Harden is not Halladay. Take his injury history out of it and there's still no comparison. If I'm Tom Ricketts and this comes across my desk, I'm not dismissing it out of hand just because of the price tag.

 

And as far as the other players, I might be willing to put up with Sam Fuld in CF if it allows me to have Doc Halladay at the top of the rotation. His acquisition alone should lock up the Central Division crown. And if they're in first place come the deadline, players can be gotten for the stretch run. Once you get into the playoffs, other teams are looking at quite the rotation. And, you know, it's been a while since...well, I don't really need to say it, do I?

 

I understand all the arguments against and they're valid, but you've got to at least see this thing through...

 

The Harden thing was just an example. The point is, all indications so far have been that they have much less than 16 million to spend on next season. I don't really think it matters how good he is or how bad Hendry might want him.

 

BTW, I wouldn't say adding Halladay locks up anything. The offense and bullpen would be highly questionable going into next season.

Look, if the money's not there to spend then discussion over, but if it's a matter of value and spending wisely, the Doc is worth the money. I couldn't think of a better way to introduce yourself as the new owner of the Cubs than by landing Roy Halladay.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We probably only have one year left in our window anyway.

 

I'd probably pull the trigger.

 

The good thing about being a big market team is that once that window closes, it only takes a few years for another one to open, unlike teams like the Brewers or Royals where once they lose their window, anothe can take decades. That is, as long as Ricketts continues to run the team like a big market team.

[chopsx9]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

 

Yeah, that wont even almost get our foot in the door.

[Soul]

guys, he's owed 16 million next year. if hendry can't even afford to offer harden arbitration (and still needs an outfielder and maybe a 2b) there's no way in hell he can afford that.

Right, but that's Harden. Harden is not Halladay. Take his injury history out of it and there's still no comparison. If I'm Tom Ricketts and this comes across my desk, I'm not dismissing it out of hand just because of the price tag.

 

And as far as the other players, I might be willing to put up with Sam Fuld in CF if it allows me to have Doc Halladay at the top of the rotation. His acquisition alone should lock up the Central Division crown. And if they're in first place come the deadline, players can be gotten for the stretch run. Once you get into the playoffs, other teams are looking at quite the rotation. And, you know, it's been a while since...well, I don't really need to say it, do I?

 

I understand all the arguments against and they're valid, but you've got to at least see this thing through...

 

The Harden thing was just an example. The point is, all indications so far have been that they have much less than 16 million to spend on next season. I don't really think it matters how good he is or how bad Hendry might want him.

 

BTW, I wouldn't say adding Halladay locks up anything. The offense and bullpen would be highly questionable going into next season.

Look, if the money's not there to spend then discussion over, but if it's a matter of value and spending wisely, the Doc is worth the money. I couldn't think of a better way to introduce yourself as the new owner of the Cubs than by landing Roy Halladay.

 

Maybe I shouldn't bring this up, but he is 32 and has a ton of innings on that arm. I'd rather look at some of the bigger weaknesses on the team than starting pitching, but obviously I would love to see a player of Halladay's caliber in Cubbie Blue. I do agree it would be a huge splash that would signal the new Ricketts era (certainly more than re-signing Mark DeRosa).

[hardcorecubfan]

Didn't take long to find our new Brian Roberts.

 

 

Nah, this one will die really quickly. The Cubs aren't in a position to take on the money, don't want to give up the prospects for what is probably going to be a one year rental, and starting pitching is low on the list of needs. Granderson will probably be this year's Roberts.

 

It all depends on how the Ricketts feel about deferring the 15mill and Halladay wanting to come to Chicago.

[chopsx9]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

 

Yeah, that wont even almost get our foot in the door.

 

That's 2 young cheap guys, that have had some success in the majors, that they can plug into their line up now. Colvin probably soon too - ultimately it may be as a 4th outfielder but I think that's a safe bet to be his floor - so he's a safe bet is really what I'm getting at .

 

I think the Jays are looking for cheap talent, (that'll stay cheap for awhile) that can help them out. Vitters is a high risk high reward guy - if he's a deal breaker...toss him in if they can talk extension with Halladay. I think the Jays need safer bets. They are in deep if the trade Halladay for 5 guys that flame out in the minors.

[Soul]

Yeah, I think this will will likely die quickly too.

[Tyrant]

I love message board trade offers.

[Neuby]

The Phillies will jump back into the mix as with Red Sox, Yankees, not a chance Cubs buy low without having to include at least Vitters or Castro. I'm in favor of selling high on Flaherty/Wells/Theriot. Hoping to avoid dealing Castro.

[illiniguy]

The Phillies will jump back into the mix as with Red Sox, Yankees, not a chance Cubs buy low without having to include at least Vitters or Castro. I'm in favor of selling high on Flaherty/Wells/Theriot. Hoping to avoid dealing Castro.

Yeah the Phillies will be in this. But, unless they will agree to move Drabek they won't get him either.

[haubrich91]

Randy Wells, Jake Fox, Tyler Colvin, Carpenter and a lower level prospect if you have to.

 

In any talks with an AL team you need to include Fox - he has to have some value after last season. The Jays offense has been lacking so their might be some interest.

 

The Jays are morans. If they were going to trade Halladay they should have done it at the deadline.

 

I'm pretty darn sure that isn't enough to get Roy Halladay.

[17 Seconds]

yeah thats a terrible package