Rich Harden

[NCCubFan]

Two part question.

[NCCubFan]

I hope 10% have this right rather than 90%). :D

 

(And I'm in the 90%.)

[CubbieBum]

I hope 10% have this right rather than 90%). :D

 

(And I'm in the 90%.)

 

Apparently 90% of us are pessimistic at the moment and 10% are optimist. However we are all in agreement that Harden is worth signing.

[NCCubFan]

I hope 10% have this right rather than 90%). :D

 

(And I'm in the 90%.)

 

Apparently 90% of us are pessimistic at the moment and 10% are optimist. However we are all in agreement that Harden is worth signing.

Not quite.

[Derwood]

20 starts from Harden >>>>>>>>>>>> 30 starts from Marshall/Gorz/Shark

[Bote McBoteface]

Should, won't. Dumb.

[NCCubFan]

Dumb.

In other words, Hendry.

[soapy]

Unless the Cubs know something about Harden's health that's not public, the answer seems obvious. The fact that there seems to be some speculation that they won't attempt to bring him back makes me wonder what they know/think about his shoulder.

 

The situation with Lilly would seem to cement the fact that they should bring Harden back.

[jersey cubs fan]

Unless the Cubs know something about Harden's health that's not public, the answer seems obvious. The fact that there seems to be some speculation that they won't attempt to bring him back makes me wonder what they know/think about his shoulder.

 

The situation with Lilly would seem to cement the fact that they should bring Harden back.

 

That is a possibility, however, the Cubs are notoriously short-sighted and schizo with guys. They knew Bradley was a combustible nut job with inconsistent productivity and health concerns. and after one year of him doing almost exactly what many thought he'd do, they are trying to get rid of him. When they acquired Harden they acknowled he need to be treated cautiously, given extra rest between starts, and for the most part they did that in 2008. Then, in 2009, they throw all that out the window and expect him to be an every 5th day pitcher, and seemingly sour on him when that doesn't turn out to be a good idea. They gave up on Pie in a heartbeat, introduced Patterson to the public as a middle of the order hitter then allowed a bad manager to try and turn him into a slappy Otis Nixon wannabe.

 

They change their minds and give up on guys really quickly when they don't fit into whatever flavor of the month "need" they feel they have to fill. It's possible they know Harden's shoulder is worse than it looks, but it's also entirely possible that they just don't want a guy who is guaranteed to not give you 33 starts and 200 innings, even though that's exactly what they knew they were getting when they traded for him.

[A-Cal]

harden is frustrating and i don't want him back

 

he will be in a red sox uni come ST, and then i can make fun of my buddy all season long

[SouthSideRyan]

Unless the Cubs know something about Harden's health that's not public, the answer seems obvious. The fact that there seems to be some speculation that they won't attempt to bring him back makes me wonder what they know/think about his shoulder.

 

The situation with Lilly would seem to cement the fact that they should bring Harden back.

 

That is a possibility, however, the Cubs are notoriously short-sighted and schizo with guys. They knew Bradley was a combustible nut job with inconsistent productivity and health concerns. and after one year of him doing almost exactly what many thought he'd do, they are trying to get rid of him. When they acquired Harden they acknowled he need to be treated cautiously, given extra rest between starts, and for the most part they did that in 2008. Then, in 2009, they throw all that out the window and expect him to be an every 5th day pitcher, and seemingly sour on him when that doesn't turn out to be a good idea. They gave up on Pie in a heartbeat, introduced Patterson to the public as a middle of the order hitter then allowed a bad manager to try and turn him into a slappy Otis Nixon wannabe.

 

 

This is a really good summary of what the Cubs do wrong. Set unrealistic/stupid expectations, get pissed at the player for not doing what nobody but them expected. It's a bunch of square pegs/round holes, and it's why rookies are never given a chance.

[soapy]

Unless the Cubs know something about Harden's health that's not public, the answer seems obvious. The fact that there seems to be some speculation that they won't attempt to bring him back makes me wonder what they know/think about his shoulder.

 

The situation with Lilly would seem to cement the fact that they should bring Harden back.

 

That is a possibility, however, the Cubs are notoriously short-sighted and schizo with guys. They knew Bradley was a combustible nut job with inconsistent productivity and health concerns. and after one year of him doing almost exactly what many thought he'd do, they are trying to get rid of him. When they acquired Harden they acknowled he need to be treated cautiously, given extra rest between starts, and for the most part they did that in 2008. Then, in 2009, they throw all that out the window and expect him to be an every 5th day pitcher, and seemingly sour on him when that doesn't turn out to be a good idea. They gave up on Pie in a heartbeat, introduced Patterson to the public as a middle of the order hitter then allowed a bad manager to try and turn him into a slappy Otis Nixon wannabe.

 

They change their minds and give up on guys really quickly when they don't fit into whatever flavor of the month "need" they feel they have to fill. It's possible they know Harden's shoulder is worse than it looks, but it's also entirely possible that they just don't want a guy who is guaranteed to not give you 33 starts and 200 innings, even though that's exactly what they knew they were getting when they traded for him.

 

oh that's certainly a possibility and i wasn't attempting to dispute that. there is always the possibility (maybe even probability) that they are just handling it poorly.