College Football - Week of Oct. 17th

[Derwood]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

[Guest]

Colt McCoy hasn't been all that great this season. He's not even in the top 20 of QBs in efficiency this year. He's behind the likes of VT's Tyrod Taylor, FSU's Christian Ponder, and OU's Landry Jones, of course. Jimmy Clausen has 100 more yards passing, two more TDs and four fewer interceptions despite 40 fewer attempts.

 

Maybe, just maybe a non QB can win the award this year?

 

Eric Berry. :beg:

Not happening. Tebow, Jimmy and McCoy are pretty much locked in as the top 3 right now in some order.

 

I'm sure it won't. It's awful that he's not even really being considered, though. If Charles Woodson could win it over Peyton, Berry ought to have a chance.

 

Woodson won it on an undefeated team while being a quasi two-way player. And Peyton ought to have won it that year.

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

Does this change your mind?

 

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a5/JorgeS4041/claussen.jpg

[SouthSideRyan]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

other than kirk herbstreit and cbs sports?

 

Classic Derwood

[SouthSideRyan]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/heisman/2009/watch/

[Derwood]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

other than kirk herbstreit and cbs sports?

 

Classic Derwood

 

no, that answered my question. I haven't followed the Heisman race at all.

[Andy]

 

Clausen and McCoy could fall back pretty far if they don't play well this weekend. Not exactly locks for anything right now.

 

If Berry was on a Top 10 team he would have a shot. If they finish 7-5 its going to be way to tough for a defensive player to make it. It would be nice if he was invited to the Heisman awards though as he deserves the recognition.

Yeah, I know - hence my 'right now' qualifier.

 

I haven't seen a lot of Berry, but if he's half as good as he's made out to be he must be a hell of a player.

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

Only 1 of their 15 experts didn't rank Clausen. I'll bet a significant amount of money that it was Forde.

[SouthSideRyan]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/specials/heisman/2009/watch/

 

http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1014&CID=650796

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

[Andy]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

Tebow isn't playing another team likely to be ranked at the end of the year until the SEC title game, and neither is McCoy until the Big 12 title game (after this week) - assuming they both make it. ND's schedule, meanwhile, is quietly not as bad as it appeared to be at the beginning of the year. Pitt appears to be the Big East favorite (inasmuch as that means a whole lot), while UConn and Stanford have shots at being 8-win teams. Navy is solid as usual.

 

ETA: I'm a moron and forgot about Cincinnati in the Big East. I knew I was forgetting someone.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Andy

[SouthSideRyan]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

 

Agreed. Pitt's probably the only other team on the schedule that could be ranked when they play them, and even if they are it'll pale in comparison to the 2nd best opponent McCoy or Tebow have left.

[shnsajax]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

Tebow isn't playing another team likely to be ranked at the end of the year until the SEC title game, and neither is McCoy until the Big 12 title game (after this week) - assuming they both make it. ND's schedule, meanwhile, is quietly not as bad as it appeared to be at the beginning of the year. Pitt appears to be the Big East favorite (inasmuch as that means a whole lot), while UConn and Stanford have shots at being 8-win teams. Navy is solid as usual.

 

Again but as far as making a statement with Heisman voters none of them are going to be looking as much at him especially if ND lose this week. While it shouldn't work this way, this year's Heisman is going to come down more to career performance than anything that happens throughout the season. His numbers will back it up and he is a really good QB, but he is going to have too much ground to make up with no one to do it against.

[Andy]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

Tebow isn't playing another team likely to be ranked at the end of the year until the SEC title game, and neither is McCoy until the Big 12 title game (after this week) - assuming they both make it. ND's schedule, meanwhile, is quietly not as bad as it appeared to be at the beginning of the year. Pitt appears to be the Big East favorite (inasmuch as that means a whole lot), while UConn and Stanford have shots at being 8-win teams. Navy is solid as usual.

 

Again but as far as making a statement with Heisman voters none of them are going to be looking as much at him especially if ND lose this week. While it shouldn't work this way, this year's Heisman is going to come down more to career performance than anything that happens throughout the season. His numbers will back it up and he is a really good QB, but he is going to have too much ground to make up with no one to do it against.

Oh, I agree that Jimmy has virtually no chance if we don't beat USC. I was just pointing out that if he did, his remaining schedule after that really isn't any worse than Tebow's or McCoy's - at least until December.

[dew1679666265]

Woodson won it on an undefeated team while being a quasi two-way player. And Peyton ought to have won it that year.

 

Oh yeah, I know why Woodson won it and why Berry won't be considered. I'm just saying if it was purely a "best player in the game" award, then Berry would at least be invited. But, Tennessee's 7-5 record (at best) coupled with Lane not playing him two ways (even though Woodson's two-way status was overrated in 97) will keep him from getting the invite.

 

If Tennessee can pull off the upset of Bama (largely due to big plays by Berry) and then wins out, maybe he gets some consideration. And yes, Peyton should have won it that year.

[Andy]

Woodson won it on an undefeated team while being a quasi two-way player. And Peyton ought to have won it that year.

 

Oh yeah, I know why Woodson won it and why Berry won't be considered. I'm just saying if it was purely a "best player in the game" award, then Berry would at least be invited. But, Tennessee's 7-5 record (at best) coupled with Lane not playing him two ways (even though Woodson's two-way status was overrated in 97) will keep him from getting the invite.

 

If Tennessee can pull off the upset of Bama (largely due to big plays by Berry) and then wins out, maybe he gets some consideration. And yes, Peyton should have won it that year.

I remember reading a Sports Illustrated article in 1999 showing how wildly better Champ Bailey's stats at UGA were than Woodson's 1997 numbers and becoming bewildered how Woodson could win it but Bailey didn't even place top 10 in the voting.

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

 

Agreed. Pitt's probably the only other team on the schedule that could be ranked when they play them, and even if they are it'll pale in comparison to the 2nd best opponent McCoy or Tebow have left.

 

No doubt. But it's possible that all but 2 (Purdue and WSU) of ND's opponents could go to bowls this year. Other than USC, there aren't any really good teams on the schedule. But there isn't a Florida International or Charleston Southern either.

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do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

Tebow isn't playing another team likely to be ranked at the end of the year until the SEC title game, and neither is McCoy until the Big 12 title game (after this week) - assuming they both make it. ND's schedule, meanwhile, is quietly not as bad as it appeared to be at the beginning of the year. Pitt appears to be the Big East favorite (inasmuch as that means a whole lot), while UConn and Stanford have shots at being 8-win teams. Navy is solid as usual.

 

Again but as far as making a statement with Heisman voters none of them are going to be looking as much at him especially if ND lose this week. While it shouldn't work this way, this year's Heisman is going to come down more to career performance than anything that happens throughout the season. His numbers will back it up and he is a really good QB, but he is going to have too much ground to make up with no one to do it against.

 

why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

[dew1679666265]

I haven't seen a lot of Berry, but if he's half as good as he's made out to be he must be a hell of a player.

 

He's a lot of fun to watch. Peyton's all but a legend here in Tennessee, but I'm convinced if Berry did the unthinkable and returned for his senior year, he'd come close to garnering the love that Peyton gets.

 

And just for a random stat, Berry has 13 career interceptions and 487 return yards off of those picks. That's 37 yards per INT return. He's also well on his way to 100 tackles this year.

[shnsajax]

do anyone but ND fans consider Clausen a "top 3" Heisman guy right now?

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index

 

He's definatly a candidate, and will probably be asked to attend NY assuming he doesn't get hurt. I don't think he is going to have a chance to win unless he really lights up USC. This is pretty much his only statement game that he has left on his schedule to win over voters, where others will have bigger games on schedule come the end of the regular season.

Tebow isn't playing another team likely to be ranked at the end of the year until the SEC title game, and neither is McCoy until the Big 12 title game (after this week) - assuming they both make it. ND's schedule, meanwhile, is quietly not as bad as it appeared to be at the beginning of the year. Pitt appears to be the Big East favorite (inasmuch as that means a whole lot), while UConn and Stanford have shots at being 8-win teams. Navy is solid as usual.

 

Again but as far as making a statement with Heisman voters none of them are going to be looking as much at him especially if ND lose this week. While it shouldn't work this way, this year's Heisman is going to come down more to career performance than anything that happens throughout the season. His numbers will back it up and he is a really good QB, but he is going to have too much ground to make up with no one to do it against.

 

why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

 

Other guys have too much ground to make up and play on teams that won't get as much media attention. I don't really see McCoy or Tebow having that defining game based on the schedule ahead. But even if they do, its going to be hard to argue that if one of them wins it their career didn't have a huge impact on winning it this season.

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why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

 

Other guys have too much ground to make up and play on teams that won't get as much media attention. I don't really see McCoy or Tebow having that defining game based on the schedule ahead. But even if they do, its going to be hard to argue that if one of them wins it their career didn't have a huge impact on winning it this season.

 

I may be dense, but I just don't get it. Who are these "other guys" that have too much ground to make up and don't get media attention? I mean, if Clausen wins, it's not going to be based on his performance in 2007 as a true freshman on a terrible team a few months after elbow surgery. It's going to be b/c he led a decent/good team to an 11-win season (I can't see him winning it unless ND wins out) including several 4th quarter come-from-behind Ws and a big game against USC.

[dew1679666265]

why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

 

Other guys have too much ground to make up and play on teams that won't get as much media attention. I don't really see McCoy or Tebow having that defining game based on the schedule ahead. But even if they do, its going to be hard to argue that if one of them wins it their career didn't have a huge impact on winning it this season.

 

I may be dense, but I just don't get it. Who are these "other guys" that have too much ground to make up and don't get media attention? I mean, if Clausen wins, it's not going to be based on his performance in 2007 as a true freshman on a terrible team a few months after elbow surgery. It's going to be b/c he led a decent/good team to an 11-win season (I can't see him winning it unless ND wins out) including several 4th quarter come-from-behind Ws and a big game against USC.

 

Guys who have too much ground to make up or don't get enough media attention would probably include Eric Berry, A.J. Green, Jonathan Dwyer, Tony Pike and Jahvid Best.

[Andy]

why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

 

Other guys have too much ground to make up and play on teams that won't get as much media attention. I don't really see McCoy or Tebow having that defining game based on the schedule ahead. But even if they do, its going to be hard to argue that if one of them wins it their career didn't have a huge impact on winning it this season.

 

I may be dense, but I just don't get it. Who are these "other guys" that have too much ground to make up and don't get media attention? I mean, if Clausen wins, it's not going to be based on his performance in 2007 as a true freshman on a terrible team a few months after elbow surgery. It's going to be b/c he led a decent/good team to an 11-win season (I can't see him winning it unless ND wins out) including several 4th quarter come-from-behind Ws and a big game against USC.

 

Guys who have too much ground to make up or don't get enough media attention would probably include Eric Berry, A.J. Green, Jonathan Dwyer, Tony Pike and Jahvid Best.

Best was getting all sorts of Heisman attention until Cal laid back to back eggs against Oregon and USC. Tony Pike is currently 3rd in CBS Sports's Heisman poll, so he's getting a look, and will continue to if Cincy keeps winning.

[dew1679666265]

why do you say this year's heisman comes down to career performance more than this season's performance?

 

Other guys have too much ground to make up and play on teams that won't get as much media attention. I don't really see McCoy or Tebow having that defining game based on the schedule ahead. But even if they do, its going to be hard to argue that if one of them wins it their career didn't have a huge impact on winning it this season.

 

I may be dense, but I just don't get it. Who are these "other guys" that have too much ground to make up and don't get media attention? I mean, if Clausen wins, it's not going to be based on his performance in 2007 as a true freshman on a terrible team a few months after elbow surgery. It's going to be b/c he led a decent/good team to an 11-win season (I can't see him winning it unless ND wins out) including several 4th quarter come-from-behind Ws and a big game against USC.

 

Guys who have too much ground to make up or don't get enough media attention would probably include Eric Berry, A.J. Green, Jonathan Dwyer, Tony Pike and Jahvid Best.

Best was getting all sorts of Heisman attention until Cal laid back to back eggs against Oregon and USC. Tony Pike is currently 3rd in CBS Sports's Heisman poll, so he's getting a look, and will continue to if Cincy keeps winning.

 

I hadn't really heard Pike's name mentioned, so that's good to hear about him. Best really should not have quit getting media attention after the loss and should still be a top candidate.