Re: 2009 Chicago Blackhawks

[UMFan83]

"A goalie like Thomas should be able to fetch a top-six forward, top-four blueliner and a solid backup goalie,"

 

Versteeg, Barker, Niemi. Done.

 

Upgrade to Sharp if they insist.

 

If we did that trade, would we need to do anything in the offseason to get under the cap? If so I'd be interested in that trade.

[RedFlash]

"A goalie like Thomas should be able to fetch a top-six forward, top-four blueliner and a solid backup goalie,"

 

Versteeg, Barker, Niemi. Done.

 

Upgrade to Sharp if they insist.

 

:rotfl:

 

Kyle, stop being silly. Same contract/same player this year. Thomas IS NOT WORTH your prosposal. Niemi is the Hawks future at goalie, imo. I rather trade Corey Crawford or Joe Fallon instead of Niemi. Barker and Versteeg are expandable and for that contract, I want draft pick or two, otherwise acquiring a guy like Thomas who is not an upgrade isn't worth it.

 

And to include Sharp makes your ideal very laughable. Stats wise, Huet=Thomas.

[NewUserName]

"A goalie like Thomas should be able to fetch a top-six forward, top-four blueliner and a solid backup goalie,"

 

Versteeg, Barker, Niemi. Done.

 

Upgrade to Sharp if they insist.

 

If we did that trade, would we need to do anything in the offseason to get under the cap? If so I'd be interested in that trade.

 

I think a lot of it depends on how much Hjalmarsson gets. I think it will be more then Hawks fans hope. I wouldnt make this trade if I was the Hawks.

[kujay]

^I agree on 4. It's easier to just say 4. He's gotten too good, too fast.

 

Per the Trib, Niemi is getting another shot tonight. Q is BEGGING him to string together some solid games so he can bench Puet.

 

[17 Seconds]

Stats wise, Huet=Thomas.

 

 

i don't think you have the right to call someone else's post laughable when you post something like that

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm really not sold on Niemi as our goalie of the future just yet. And as an RFA, we may not be able to afford him either way.

[RedFlash]

Stats wise, Huet=Thomas.

 

 

i don't think you have the right to call someone else's post laughable when you post something like that

 

42 24 11 4 2.29 93 957 864 .903 4 38 25 .658

 

35 13 15 7 2.52 85 999 914 .915 4 28 19 .679

 

Sorry if I don't think Tim ThomaI s is enough of an upgrade to sacrifice three pretty good young players for. I might understand one of the three plus a prospect but anything higher then that and you are wasting assets.

[RedFlash]

I'm really not sold on Niemi as our goalie of the future just yet. And as an RFA, we may not be able to afford him either way.

 

And acquiring Tim Thomas would end an chance of re-sign Niemi, and leave the Hawks with a stupid obstacle of having to trade either one bad contract (Huet) or the other (Thomas) with no goalie (no Fallon is not the answer, at least not right now)for the future. I much rather ta ke your proposal for Tim Thomas (Barker/Versteeg and add a decent prospect) and see if Anaheim would take a similar package for Scott Niedermeyer. At least Neidermeyer would be worth the package, and the Hawks could then trade Niedermeyer in the offseason to ease the cap situation, plus add a couple of prospects in the system.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm really not worried about prospects. The Hawks are stacked and ridiculously deep in both the big club and the minors. Prospects at this point would just be adding to the logjam and don't really have any marginal utility to us.

 

A brief burst this season is worth much more to them than prospects at this point.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't consider it a sacrifice when we're going to be losing them to the cap anyway. Especially since I don't think prospects have any value to the Hawks right now, so they might as well get something that goes for it this season.

 

I hate statistics in hockey. Neither goalie is playing in the same system behind the same defense. I like the Blackhawks' team defense better than anyone in the league's. We have fantastic defensemen and a ton of defensively-responsible forwards. Plus they consistently have leads and don't have to take chances. Any goalie should look good in that system.

[17 Seconds]

Stats wise, Huet=Thomas.

 

 

i don't think you have the right to call someone else's post laughable when you post something like that

 

42 24 11 4 2.29 93 957 864 .903 4 38 25 .658

 

35 13 15 7 2.52 85 999 914 .915 4 28 19 .679

 

Sorry if I don't think Tim ThomaI s is enough of an upgrade to sacrifice three pretty good young players for. I might understand one of the three plus a prospect but anything higher then that and you are wasting assets.

 

i don't think you understand how to look at stats. there aren't many stats you can look at for goalies that actually tell you something, and the ones that DO tell you something tell you that thomas has been better than huet.

 

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

[17 Seconds]

I'm really not worried about prospects. The Hawks are stacked and ridiculously deep in both the big club and the minors. Prospects at this point would just be adding to the logjam and don't really have any marginal utility to us.

 

A brief burst this season is worth much more to them than prospects at this point.

 

where have you been? i haven't seen you post on nsbb in months

[Hairyducked Idiot]

where have you been? i haven't seen you post on nsbb in months

 

 

Had a baby, got busy, had other places to play. Continued my quest to purge myself of all affection for the Cubs.

[RedFlash]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward---I know he's injured---was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

Edited February 10, 2010 by RedFlash

[RedFlash]

I'm really not worried about prospects. The Hawks are stacked and ridiculously deep in both the big club and the minors. Prospects at this point would just be adding to the logjam and don't really have any marginal utility to us.

 

A brief burst this season is worth much more to them than prospects at this point.

 

I wish I had your confidence in the farm system, but I don't. They have about five legitimate prospect who will be NHL players (Beach, Aliu, Olsen, LaLonde, and Kruger) and the rest are, IMO, hit or miss prospects. So I wouldn't necessarily call that a "stacked and ridiculously deep" farm system. So I am of the opinion you can't have enough prospects.

 

Agree on the second point, but I like Niemi's potential moreso then Thomas, and prefer to land a guy like Niedermeyer over a guy like Thomas. Now if you suggest the Hawks to acquire a guy like Roloson, even tho he is older, then I would be interested in that deal. He would be cheaper to acquire via players, and he only has one more year left on his deal. Make Niemi the #1, should he earned it, acquire Roloson to be backup, and send Huet to the minors, and I am happy.

[nilodnayr]

"A goalie like Thomas should be able to fetch a top-six forward, top-four blueliner and a solid backup goalie,"

 

Versteeg, Barker, Niemi. Done.

 

Upgrade to Sharp if they insist.

 

If we did that trade, would we need to do anything in the offseason to get under the cap? If so I'd be interested in that trade.

 

We'd still need to clear out about 20% of our salary.

[17 Seconds]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

 

cam ward? eww. thomas is better than ward and ward has an enormous cotnract. he's younger and that's about it

 

cam ward is pretty overrated from his cup run. that contract is terrible.

[nilodnayr]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward---I know he's injured---was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

 

However, you can't count on ward to be healthy

[17 Seconds]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward---I know he's injured---was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

 

However, you can't count on ward to be healthy

 

or good

 

i think ward's contract is worse than huet's

[RedFlash]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward---I know he's injured---was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

 

However, you can't count on ward to be healthy

 

or good

 

i think ward's contract is worse than huet's

 

Cam Ward is good and is worthy of his contract. His problem is healthy, not ability. Still, I doubt the Hawks will trade for a goalie, seeing as Boston has officially pulled Thomas off the market. So this back and fourth is kinda moot, now.

[UMFan83]

Stats wise, Huet=Thomas.

 

 

i don't think you have the right to call someone else's post laughable when you post something like that

 

42 24 11 4 2.29 93 957 864 .903 4 38 25 .658

 

35 13 15 7 2.52 85 999 914 .915 4 28 19 .679

 

Sorry if I don't think Tim ThomaI s is enough of an upgrade to sacrifice three pretty good young players for. I might understand one of the three plus a prospect but anything higher then that and you are wasting assets.

 

Look at last year's numbers. Was last year a fluke, is his defense not as solid as it was last year? He might be capable of putting up next years numbers with Seabrook and Keith in front of him.

 

It's a fair opinion to worry about how much of an upgrade he is, and whether that's worth giving up prospects for the upgrade. The way I look at it is we need to make a move this offseason anyways, plus he's not just a short term upgrade, as he's signed beyond this year. If this could count as our move we need to make to get under the cap for next year, I'm for it. If not, then I'm probably not for it.

[17 Seconds]

and all i was arguing was your "huet=thomas" thing. you can argue that thomas isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant what it will cost, but you can't argue that he isn't a clear upgrade over huet. it's a big upgrade.

 

If Thomas was a FA then I would be at least open to the possibility, but his contract is a no-go for me unless Boston took Huet back, which they won't. Now if Cam Ward---I know he's injured---was available that's a different story, but Thomas......thx but not thx.

 

However, you can't count on ward to be healthy

 

or good

 

i think ward's contract is worse than huet's

 

Cam Ward is good and is worthy of his contract. His problem is healthy, not ability. Still, I doubt the Hawks will trade for a goalie, seeing as Boston has officially pulled Thomas off the market. So this back and fourth is kinda moot, now.

 

i don't see how you can be afraid of thomas' cotnract and not ward's, even considering age. ward's career save percentage is .905 and he's never had a season above .916.

 

combine that with the fact that after this season he'll average 6.3 mil over the following 6 years, and noooo thanks.

[kujay]

What a terrible penalty call.

[RedFlash]

 

i don't see how you can be afraid of thomas' cotnract and not ward's, even considering age. ward's career save percentage is .905 and he's never had a season above .916.

 

combine that with the fact that after this season he'll average 6.3 mil over the following 6 years, and noooo thanks.

 

None of this matters as I believe the Hawks are extremely high on Niemi and they really want him to be the #1.

 

And the Hawks are extremely high on Niemi and they want him to be the #1. So all this talk for a goalie, I really doubt the Hawks will acquire one. If anything, they officially make Niemi the #1 with Huet backing him up.

[kujay]

WTF are these refs doing tonight? Two absolutely terrible calls now, not to mention missing the obvious high stick on Madden.