College Football - Week of Sept. 19th

[dew1679666265]

If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

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If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

 

He struggled for a wide variety of reasons, including absolute lack of team talent his first year. The injury to Floyd might hurt his numbers as much or more than it hurts the team overall. But his numbers the last 4 games have been ridiculous. I don't think he'll stay another year under Weis unless he doesn't like his projected draft status. And with Crist a junior next year, I don't think Weis has any reason to pressure Clausen the way Carroll did Sanchez, for example.

[SouthSideRyan]

Really? Is that just your opinion, or are you basing it off of something? I'd be pretty surprised to see Clausen leave early.

[Guest]

If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

 

He struggled for a wide variety of reasons, including absolute lack of team talent his first year. The injury to Floyd might hurt his numbers as much or more than it hurts the team overall. But his numbers the last 4 games have been ridiculous. I don't think he'll stay another year under Weis unless he doesn't like his projected draft status. And with Crist a junior next year, I don't think Weis has any reason to pressure Clausen the way Carroll did Sanchez, for example.

 

Admittedly Carroll had three 5-star QBs behind Sanchez (if he had stayed) this season including a RS junior in Mustain and a RS sophomore in Corp.

[dew1679666265]

If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

 

He struggled for a wide variety of reasons, including absolute lack of team talent his first year. The injury to Floyd might hurt his numbers as much or more than it hurts the team overall. But his numbers the last 4 games have been ridiculous. I don't think he'll stay another year under Weis unless he doesn't like his projected draft status. And with Crist a junior next year, I don't think Weis has any reason to pressure Clausen the way Carroll did Sanchez, for example.

 

Yeah, there were definitely numerous reasons Clausen struggled. But, I don't know if his physical tools are significantly better than Bradford's and Bradford has been much more productive in college. That may make it difficult for Clausen to pass Bradford on many boards. And I like Clausen as an NFL prospect.

 

And my thinking about Weis was that he is still highly regarded in NFL circles (I believe) and the feedback may be from NFL evaluators that they want one more year of development under Weis because of the struggles of the past couple years. If Weis is fired, however, Clausen may not bother with a new system. Of course, if he ends up with a monster year, that may well become irrelevant.

[dew1679666265]

Really? Is that just your opinion, or are you basing it off of something? I'd be pretty surprised to see Clausen leave early.

 

I wouldn't be too surprised if he leaves early, especially if he has a really big year. I think it'll take a really big year for him to leave, though.

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Really? Is that just your opinion, or are you basing it off of something? I'd be pretty surprised to see Clausen leave early.

 

I don't know anyone with direct inside information. But I know some people close to the program who think it's a definite possibility. I think the loss of Floyd could hurt greatly unless Goodman or Evans steps up significantly. In addition to his stats, the team's record might take a hit without Floyd. His absence on the last series of the UM game was obvious as with the MSU game (Floyd catches both the outs that weren't caught by Evans and Goodman, respectively).

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If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

 

He struggled for a wide variety of reasons, including absolute lack of team talent his first year. The injury to Floyd might hurt his numbers as much or more than it hurts the team overall. But his numbers the last 4 games have been ridiculous. I don't think he'll stay another year under Weis unless he doesn't like his projected draft status. And with Crist a junior next year, I don't think Weis has any reason to pressure Clausen the way Carroll did Sanchez, for example.

 

Admittedly Carroll had three 5-star QBs behind Sanchez (if he had stayed) this season including a RS junior in Mustain and a RS sophomore in Corp.

 

You could see the hatred on Carroll's face at the Sanchez presser and you can see why now. Mustain clearly isn't a college QB or he would have been more than an afterthought. Neither Barkley nor Corp look all that ready either. One more year from Sanchez gets you to Corp as a RS junior and Barkley either 1 or 2 years later. USC hasn't had an underclassman QB in Petey's tenure and I'm sure he didn't want to have one now.

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If Snead stays, though, he and Mallet will be a nice duo at the top of the 2011 draft.

 

I know he plays for ND, so he has to suck, but Clausen's going to be right there. Of course, if he keeps playing at the level he's played at thus far, he might go this year.

 

Yeah, Clausen will be a highly regarded NFL prospect, I think. After struggling the past couple of years, though, (for whatever reasons) I tend to think he'll stay one more year under Weis. If Weis is fired, though, Clausen may just go.

 

He struggled for a wide variety of reasons, including absolute lack of team talent his first year. The injury to Floyd might hurt his numbers as much or more than it hurts the team overall. But his numbers the last 4 games have been ridiculous. I don't think he'll stay another year under Weis unless he doesn't like his projected draft status. And with Crist a junior next year, I don't think Weis has any reason to pressure Clausen the way Carroll did Sanchez, for example.

 

Yeah, there were definitely numerous reasons Clausen struggled. But, I don't know if his physical tools are significantly better than Bradford's and Bradford has been much more productive in college. That may make it difficult for Clausen to pass Bradford on many boards. And I like Clausen as an NFL prospect.

 

And my thinking about Weis was that he is still highly regarded in NFL circles (I believe) and the feedback may be from NFL evaluators that they want one more year of development under Weis because of the struggles of the past couple years. If Weis is fired, however, Clausen may not bother with a new system. Of course, if he ends up with a monster year, that may well become irrelevant.

 

I don't disagree and I'm not suggesting Clausen will be the consensus #1 pick next year. I just think when you're talking top QBs in 2011, Clausen's in the mix if he doesn't go this year.

 

Weis is only fired if he loses big. I think he'd have to lose more than 4 games to get fired, honestly, and I just don't see that happening. Even without Floyd, the offense is too good to lose to many of these teams. With the schedule, it's just not likely that's going to happen unless Clausen craps the bed in a big game. And if he does, he's not going to be able to go to the draft early. So Weis and Clausen are tied pretty closely, imo. If Weis gets 10 wins and gets back to a BCS game, Clausen has probably played well enough to make the jump. If ND loses 5 games, Clausen was either hurt or sucked in enough games that he'd have to come back next year.

[dew1679666265]

I don't disagree and I'm not suggesting Clausen will be the consensus #1 pick next year. I just think when you're talking top QBs in 2011, Clausen's in the mix if he doesn't go this year.

 

Clausen is definitely in the top QB mix in 2011 and that's why I think he should (and might) return to ND in 2010. After this year, it'll be tough for Clausen to work his way ahead of Bradford to be the #1 QB taken in the draft. However, in 2011, he'll likely be battling less proven QBs - Mallet and Snead (if he doesn't leave this year). He could very realistically be the top QB taken next year and maybe the #1 pick in the draft - that's unlikely if he makes himself eligible for the 2010 draft.

 

Weis is only fired if he loses big. I think he'd have to lose more than 4 games to get fired, honestly, and I just don't see that happening. Even without Floyd, the offense is too good to lose to many of these teams. With the schedule, it's just not likely that's going to happen unless Clausen craps the bed in a big game. And if he does, he's not going to be able to go to the draft early. So Weis and Clausen are tied pretty closely, imo. If Weis gets 10 wins and gets back to a BCS game, Clausen has probably played well enough to make the jump. If ND loses 5 games, Clausen was either hurt or sucked in enough games that he'd have to come back next year.

 

I don't think Weis will be fired, but it was a popular idea for a while so I included it in my potential scenarios.

[TruffleShuffle]

i wouldn't call snead less proven. some people think snead could be better than bradford.

[dew1679666265]

i wouldn't call snead less proven. some people think snead could be better than bradford.

 

Less proven as far as collegiate numbers and heisman hype. Though I will say Bradford's injury could allow Snead to catch up to him on a purely statistical basis.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think Clausen's a better prospect than Snead whenever he comes out. He throws a much better ball than him, IMO.

[Guest]

You could see the hatred on Carroll's face at the Sanchez presser and you can see why now. Mustain clearly isn't a college QB or he would have been more than an afterthought. Neither Barkley nor Corp look all that ready either. One more year from Sanchez gets you to Corp as a RS junior and Barkley either 1 or 2 years later. USC hasn't had an underclassman QB in Petey's tenure and I'm sure he didn't want to have one now.

 

You don't consider Leinart an underclassman in 2003 when he started as a sophomore?

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A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

[Guest]

So what is an underclassman? Only a freshman or redshirt freshman? What about a true sophomore? Just curious.

[dew1679666265]

So what is an underclassman? Only a freshman or redshirt freshman? What about a true sophomore? Just curious.

 

Generally, I think, the first two years are considered underclassmen. Thus, true freshman, RS freshman and true sophomore would be underclassmen. That's my opinion, at least.

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So what is an underclassman? Only a freshman or redshirt freshman? What about a true sophomore? Just curious.

 

Generally, I think, the first two years are considered underclassmen. Thus, true freshman, RS freshman and true sophomore would be underclassmen. That's my opinion, at least.

 

right. I think that's the generally accepted definition. It's just hard b/c most schools identify class by years of eligibility rather than years on campus.

[Guest]

A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

 

A healthy Corp already beat a healthy Barkely for the starting job earlier this year.

 

But since then, it appears Carroll has fallen in love with Barkely and wants to dick around Corp.

 

LA Daily News[/url]"]Carroll was also asked if he had a "crush" on Barkley, as some believe he received preferential treatment.

 

"I really do like the guy," he said. "I'm not sure I would call it a `crush.' I don't know what that means."

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A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

 

A healthy Corp already beat a healthy Barkely for the starting job earlier this year.

 

But since then, it appears Carroll has fallen in love with Barkely and wants to dick around Corp.

 

LA Daily News[/url]"]Carroll was also asked if he had a "crush" on Barkley, as some believe he received preferential treatment.

 

"I really do like the guy," he said. "I'm not sure I would call it a `crush.' I don't know what that means."

 

He's probably still pissed that Sanchez left since he is not ready for the NFL :-).

[Keener98]

Still been no sign of "Voice of Reason" since Saturdays game, hmm I wonder why.....

[SpongeWorthy]

A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

 

A healthy Corp already beat a healthy Barkely for the starting job earlier this year.

 

But since then, it appears Carroll has fallen in love with Barkely and wants to dick around Corp.

 

LA Daily News[/url]"]Carroll was also asked if he had a "crush" on Barkley, as some believe he received preferential treatment.

 

"I really do like the guy," he said. "I'm not sure I would call it a `crush.' I don't know what that means."

 

That's a stretch.

 

There isn't a USC fan on the planet who wants Corp to start over Barkley now.

 

Is Neuheisel dicking around Craft because he started Prince over him? Or is it that Craft really, really blows and no sane person would start him if they had other options?

[Guest]

A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

 

A healthy Corp already beat a healthy Barkely for the starting job earlier this year.

 

But since then, it appears Carroll has fallen in love with Barkely and wants to dick around Corp.

 

LA Daily News[/url]"]Carroll was also asked if he had a "crush" on Barkley, as some believe he received preferential treatment.

 

"I really do like the guy," he said. "I'm not sure I would call it a `crush.' I don't know what that means."

 

That's a stretch.

 

There isn't a USC fan on the planet who wants Corp to start over Barkley now.

 

Is Neuheisel dicking around Craft because he started Prince over him? Or is it that Craft really, really blows and no sane person would start him if they had other options?

 

Craft knew he was starting over Brehaut by Thursday (and Craft lost the starting job to Prince in competition). Corp didn't know he was starting when he took the field on Saturday even though Barkely couldn't throw warm ups.

 

Whether Carroll is "dicking" around Corp, he certainly was showing favoritism to Barkley even before Saturday's game which doesn't seem prudent.

[SpongeWorthy]

A RS sophomore? No. Corp isn't an underclassman, but I'm not sure if he'll win the battle with Barkley when both are healthy. The fact that it's a battle (given the limitations Barkley showed) says a lot about Corp's ability to run that offense.

 

A healthy Corp already beat a healthy Barkely for the starting job earlier this year.

 

But since then, it appears Carroll has fallen in love with Barkely and wants to dick around Corp.

 

LA Daily News[/url]"]Carroll was also asked if he had a "crush" on Barkley, as some believe he received preferential treatment.

 

"I really do like the guy," he said. "I'm not sure I would call it a `crush.' I don't know what that means."

 

That's a stretch.

 

There isn't a USC fan on the planet who wants Corp to start over Barkley now.

 

Is Neuheisel dicking around Craft because he started Prince over him? Or is it that Craft really, really blows and no sane person would start him if they had other options?

 

Craft knew he was starting over Brehaut by Thursday (and Craft lost the starting job to Prince in competition). Corp didn't know he was starting when he took the field on Saturday even though Barkely couldn't throw warm ups.

 

I agree that was a dumb move on the coaching staff's part (among many other problems I had with the way that game was handled).

 

But Corp is not being dicked around if he's no longer the starter moving forward. He probably should've been yanked sometime in the 2nd half. I'm not going to place all the blame on him, even though he's basically persona non grata on campus, because the game plan and playcalling was pretty awful but now is the time to roll the dice with Barkley and see where you are heading into Cal, ND, Oregon, etc. I wish Carroll had done the same thing with Sanchez and Booty when it became apparent Booty wasn't going to live up to the hype.

[Guest]

I don't know that you're getting a good grasp of Corp's future ability based on that game, though. I do understand starting Barkley over Corp going forward if you consider Barkley to be just as good currently (though I still think it says something that Corp beat out Barkely when both were healthy).