Bronson Arroyo Good Job!

[A-Cal]

Bronson Arroyo-S-Reds Jul. 31 - 10:23 am et

 

Bronson Arroyo told the Boston Herald Thursday that he used androstenedione and amphetamines back in the early 2000s.

Both substances were fair game at the time he was taking them, but have since been banned by Major League Baseball. "Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," said the Reds starter. "Andro made me feel great, I felt like a monster. I felt like I could jump and hit my head on the basketball rim." It's also the substance that was found in Mark McGwire's locker during the summer of 1998. More admissions like this would be truly refreshing.

Source: Boston Herald

 

 

Now, if everyone who was doing this stuff would just come forward, baseball would be able to heal collectively!

 

=D>

[Clem Fandango]

Good of him to step up like that. I applaud his honesty. Hopefully other players follow suit. Better to admit your past mistakes rather than eventually be outed and look like you were trying to hide something from everyone, IMO

[BeerHere]

I'm not sure we should be patting him on the back. He likely knows that he was doing roids at the time of testing and has seen other named be released. All he is doing is revealing his name before it gets leaked which he feels is probably inevitable at this point. Give him credit for being "honest" if you want, but the fact remains, he cheated the game I love - for money.

 

"Good Job!"? I don't think so.

[Clem Fandango]

We're not patting him on the back for using andro and amphetamines, we're patting him on the back for being a man about it and admitting his wrongdoing even though there was no proof against him. How many other players still playing have done that?

 

If you want to condemn him in your own mind for what he did in the past, understandable, he used some form of performance enhancers to set himself apart from the rest of the competition. But he didn't have to admit anything, it takes a big man to admit something that could tarnish your reputation while no one suspected you of anything

[BeerHere]

We're not patting him on the back for using andro and amphetamines, we're patting him on the back for being a man about it and admitting his wrongdoing even though there was no proof against him. How many other players still playing have done that?

 

If you want to condemn him in your own mind for what he did in the past, understandable, he used some form of performance enhancers to set himself apart from the rest of the competition. But he didn't have to admit anything, it takes a big man to admit something that could tarnish your reputation while no one suspected you of anything

But like I said, he is seeing the names of the other cheaters being slowly released and probably saw the writing on the wall. There is no honor is admitting to something right before you're caught.

[SouthSideRyan]

We're not patting him on the back for using andro and amphetamines, we're patting him on the back for being a man about it and admitting his wrongdoing even though there was no proof against him. How many other players still playing have done that?

 

If you want to condemn him in your own mind for what he did in the past, understandable, he used some form of performance enhancers to set himself apart from the rest of the competition. But he didn't have to admit anything, it takes a big man to admit something that could tarnish your reputation while no one suspected you of anything

But like I said, he is seeing the names of the other cheaters being slowly released and probably saw the writing on the wall. There is no honor is admitting to something right before you're caught.

 

You're assuming a lot here.

 

Personally, I applaud Bronson's will to win.

[BeerHere]

We're not patting him on the back for using andro and amphetamines, we're patting him on the back for being a man about it and admitting his wrongdoing even though there was no proof against him. How many other players still playing have done that?

 

If you want to condemn him in your own mind for what he did in the past, understandable, he used some form of performance enhancers to set himself apart from the rest of the competition. But he didn't have to admit anything, it takes a big man to admit something that could tarnish your reputation while no one suspected you of anything

But like I said, he is seeing the names of the other cheaters being slowly released and probably saw the writing on the wall. There is no honor is admitting to something right before you're caught.

 

You're assuming a lot here.

 

Personally, I applaud Bronson's will to win.

I am, but I don't think it is a stretch at all. For the record, I would do the exact same thing if I were him.

[jersey cubs fan]

What's the wrongdoing?

[Sammy Sofa]

"Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," said the Reds starter.

 

I don't think this sentiment can be emphasized enough for the spazzes still in denial out there thinking that only a relative few players used PED's over the last 40 years.

[wade]

No wonder these guys keep quiet. Despite many saying that coming out with the truth will make them better than the persistant deniers, someone will always be there to rip them a new one regardless. Even if what they've admitted to wasn't even illegal at the time (in the case of andro). It depends on what he means by amphetamines- gnc grade or pharmaceutical- as to their legality, I guess, but that's still a mighty big grey area there too.

 

Anyway, Arroyo is skinny and a pitcher and would have likely never popped up on anyone's andro radar, but he talked about it anyway. The guys on the list supposedly know they're on the list and I guess if you buy the theory that he's trying to get out in front and spin this because he's afraid he'll be named, then he's still doing what tons of people are demanding in that he's admitting it before he's caught by the public.

[wade]

"Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," said the Reds starter.

 

I don't think this sentiment can be emphasized enough for the spazzes still in denial out there thinking that only a relative few players used PED's over the last 40 years.

 

Agree. Tons used something or other.

 

Baseball was slow to pick up the benefits of strength training. Once they did, and saw the physical rewards, the PEDs used in gyms all over the country were there for them to see you could add even more benefit by using those.

 

I was thinking about Ortiz earlier- I wonder if there's anything to the number of south of the border guys using. I.E., I've read that buying stuff like synthetic testosterone is relatively easy in the Dominican. Why, then, wouldn't these guys say they were taking whatever without much thought? Guys like Ortiz (who I assume has lived in the Dominican in the winter) could have bought this stuff just about anywhere, and until 2003, what did it really matter?

[jersey cubs fan]

"Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," said the Reds starter.

 

I don't think this sentiment can be emphasized enough for the spazzes still in denial out there thinking that only a relative few players used PED's over the last 40 years.

 

Agree. Tons used something or other.

 

Baseball was slow to pick up the benefits of strength training. Once they did, and saw the physical rewards, the PEDs used in gyms all over the country were there for them to see you could add even more benefit by using those.

 

I was thinking about Ortiz earlier- I wonder if there's anything to the number of south of the border guys using. I.E., I've read that buying stuff like synthetic testosterone is relatively easy in the Dominican. Why, then, wouldn't these guys say they were taking whatever without much thought? Guys like Ortiz (who I assume has lived in the Dominican in the winter) could have bought this stuff just about anywhere, and until 2003, what did it really matter?

 

A) Public perception.

B) They could have bought there and brought here, illegally.

[DanzaSlap]

What's the wrongdoing?

 

Exactly. The headline I just saw was "Arroyo admits to using PEDs." Well, maybe, but everything he took was legal (and if you want to include amphetamines on that list, then I'd wager 90% of all players who ever played were on the "juice").

[fromthestretch]

I'm not sure we should be patting him on the back. He likely knows that he was doing roids at the time of testing and has seen other named be released. All he is doing is revealing his name before it gets leaked which he feels is probably inevitable at this point. Give him credit for being "honest" if you want, but the fact remains, he cheated the game I love - for money.

 

"Good Job!"? I don't think so.

 

 

Bronson Arroyo told the Boston Herald Thursday that he used androstenedione and amphetamines back in the early 2000s.

Both substances were fair game at the time he was taking them, but have since been banned by Major League Baseball.

[BeerHere]

I'm not sure we should be patting him on the back. He likely knows that he was doing roids at the time of testing and has seen other named be released. All he is doing is revealing his name before it gets leaked which he feels is probably inevitable at this point. Give him credit for being "honest" if you want, but the fact remains, he cheated the game I love - for money.

 

"Good Job!"? I don't think so.

 

 

Bronson Arroyo told the Boston Herald Thursday that he used androstenedione and amphetamines back in the early 2000s.

Both substances were fair game at the time he was taking them, but have since been banned by Major League Baseball.

Your point?

 

I'm not condemning him, I just don't think we should be giving him the "atta-boys" and patting him on the back for coming out and admitting this when there is a good chance his name would have been released anyway. Like I said above, I would have done the exact same thing if I were in his place.

[NCCubFan]

I'm not sure we should be patting him on the back. He likely knows that he was doing roids at the time of testing and has seen other named be released. All he is doing is revealing his name before it gets leaked which he feels is probably inevitable at this point. Give him credit for being "honest" if you want, but the fact remains, he cheated the game I love - for money.

 

"Good Job!"? I don't think so.

 

 

Bronson Arroyo told the Boston Herald Thursday that he used androstenedione and amphetamines back in the early 2000s.

Both substances were fair game at the time he was taking them, but have since been banned by Major League Baseball.

Your point?

 

I'm not condemning him, I just don't think we should be giving him the "atta-boys" and patting him on the back for coming out and admitting this when there is a good chance his name would have been released anyway. Like I said above, I would have done the exact same thing if I were in his place.

The point is you said he cheated when in fact he didn't since the substance wasn't banned at the time.

[Uber]

The point is pretty clear, you said he cheated when he in fact didn't. If it were to come out that he continued taking them AFTER they were banned, then you can lay in with the "my love my passion" diatribe.

 

I applaud Bronson for owning up to it. More players should do this.

[BeerHere]

The point is pretty clear, you said he cheated when he in fact didn't. If it were to come out that he continued taking them AFTER they were banned, then you can lay in with the "my love my passion" diatribe.

 

I applaud Bronson for owning up to it. More players should do this.

If he didn't feel like he was cheating, why did he wait until other names from the 2003 testing period were released? Especially on the same day that another high-profile player was caught named from the same report. Others too. If taking andro was perfectly acceptable, why did McGwire clam up when talking to congress? Why would the testing process be needed at all if that is the case? We're not arguing the morality of taking steroids are we? Sure, they weren't against the rules of baseball at the time I'll give you that but taking andro and amphetamines to gain a competitive advantage is a pretty clear violation to me. We shouldn't be applauding the guy for admitting it when (in my opinion) he knows his name could be released at any time like ARod, Manny, Ortiz, Segui, etc

[BeerHere]

And again, I would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes. I'm not taking the moral high-ground at all here. I simply don't think we should pat him on the back for his admission.

[fromthestretch]

The point is pretty clear, you said he cheated when he in fact didn't. If it were to come out that he continued taking them AFTER they were banned, then you can lay in with the "my love my passion" diatribe.

 

I applaud Bronson for owning up to it. More players should do this.

If he didn't feel like he was cheating, why did he wait until other names from the 2003 testing period were released? Especially on the same day that another high-profile player was caught named from the same report. Others too. If taking andro was perfectly acceptable, why did McGwire clam up when talking to congress? Why would the testing process be needed at all if that is the case? We're not arguing the morality of taking steroids are we? Sure, they weren't against the rules of baseball at the time I'll give you that but taking andro and amphetamines to gain a competitive advantage is a pretty clear violation to me. We shouldn't be applauding the guy for admitting it when (in my opinion) he knows his name could be released at any time like ARod, Manny, Ortiz, Segui, etc

 

All the other players are doing are denying it, hiring lawyers, throwing out the old "no comment", etc. He's not hiding behind anything. He took it and admitted it. While we don't need to give him a standing ovation, it's kind of nice to see a player fess up.

 

Yes, I'm sure a big part of the reason he did it was to have more control over the situation, which is fine by me, especially if it takes some of the wind out of the sails of those assclowns that are leaking the names.

[jersey cubs fan]

And again, I would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes. I'm not taking the moral high-ground at all here. I simply don't think we should pat him on the back for his admission.

 

It's kind of hard to say you aren't trying to take the moral high ground when you cry out that he's cheated the game you love.

[Uber]

The point is pretty clear, you said he cheated when he in fact didn't. If it were to come out that he continued taking them AFTER they were banned, then you can lay in with the "my love my passion" diatribe.

 

I applaud Bronson for owning up to it. More players should do this.

If he didn't feel like he was cheating, why did he wait until other names from the 2003 testing period were released? Especially on the same day that another high-profile player was caught named from the same report. Others too. If taking andro was perfectly acceptable, why did McGwire clam up when talking to congress? Why would the testing process be needed at all if that is the case? We're not arguing the morality of taking steroids are we? Sure, they weren't against the rules of baseball at the time I'll give you that but taking andro and amphetamines to gain a competitive advantage is a pretty clear violation to me. We shouldn't be applauding the guy for admitting it when (in my opinion) he knows his name could be released at any time like ARod, Manny, Ortiz, Segui, etc

 

 

Dude, it's Bronson Arroyo. The likelihood of someone who has access to that list releasing his name along with the likes of ARod, Manny, Ortiz in hopes of making a splash is pretty slim.

 

No one's giving him a nobel peace price, just applauding taking responsibility in any form. It's a rare commodity these days.

 

All I'm sayin' is maybe we can step down from the soapbox.

[SouthSideRyan]

I lost all respect for my great-grandfather when I found out he drank before prohibition.

[imb]

he's admitting to taking [expletive] andro, not drinking hgh milkshakes you weirdo

[J.R.]

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