Selig reconsidering Pete Rose

[SouthSideRyan]

Illegal substances helped Barry Bonds set the all-time Home Run record. However, betting on baseball did not help Pete Rose attain even one of his 4256 hits.

 

 

The last five years of his career were pretty much a joke offensively, and he collected 559 of his hits during that time. He was also playing primarily first base and corner outfield during that time, positions where you'd actually expect to get some offense.

 

 

While he filled out the lineup card for 2 of those years.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm more curious as to whether his betting ever helped him achieve the all-time out record.

[erik316wttn]

Illegal substances helped Barry Bonds set the all-time Home Run record. However, betting on baseball did not help Pete Rose attain even one of his 4256 hits.

 

You're right. Betting didn't help him get to over 4000 hits. Playing five years longer than he should have did.

 

The last five years of his career were pretty much a joke offensively, and he collected 559 of his hits during that time. He was also playing primarily first base and corner outfield during that time, positions where you'd actually expect to get some offense.

 

Yes, Pete Rose has the all-time hits record. He also has more games played, plate appearances and at-bats than anyone in the history of the game, which certainly didn't hurt him in his quest for most hits.

 

I agree he probably stuck around longer than he should have. However, lots of the greats have had terrible seasons at the end of their careers: Ruth, Mays, Aaron, and many others stuck around a little too long. However, there isn't a Hall of Fame exception for artificially extending one's career. HOF voters look at the stats first. He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

[CyHawk_Cub]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

 

You gotta be pretty good to be allowed to make that many outs :D

[erik316wttn]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

 

No, and your argument is ridiculous.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

 

No, and your argument is ridiculous.

 

He did the worst thing a batter could do more times than anyone, ever, in history.

 

That shouldn't even be considered, but most hits should make him a shoo-in?

[erik316wttn]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

 

No, and your argument is ridiculous.

 

He did the worst thing a batter could do more times than anyone, ever, in history.

 

That shouldn't even be considered, but most hits should make him a shoo-in?

 

Baseball is a game where the most elite hitters make outs 6 out of 10 plate appearances. Like CyHawk said... if he wasn't great, he wouldn't have been around long enough to make all those outs.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He had more hits than anyone who ever played. He should be in.

 

He made more outs than anyone who ever played. Shouldn't that disqualify him?

 

No, and your argument is ridiculous.

 

He did the worst thing a batter could do more times than anyone, ever, in history.

 

That shouldn't even be considered, but most hits should make him a shoo-in?

 

Baseball is a game where the most elite hitters make outs 6 out of 10 plate appearances. Like CyHawk said... if he wasn't great, he wouldn't have been around long enough to make all those outs.

 

Unless the manager had a motivation to play him that didn't have to do with whether he was good or not.

[17 Seconds]

at this point i couldn't care less about the hall of fame. it's all so arbitrary. pay attention to who is good and who is not and judge for yourself who the best players are.

[hotshot13422]

Unless the manager had a motivation to play him that didn't have to do with whether he was good or not.

 

At first I thought you were joking about this but you seriously think that because he has the most outs ever it takes away from him having the most hits? You are actually serious? I honestly don't know what to say to that. That is by far the most ridiculous argument that I have ever heard.

[Derwood]

Unless the manager had a motivation to play him that didn't have to do with whether he was good or not.

 

At first I thought you were joking about this but you seriously think that because he has the most outs ever it takes away from him having the most hits? You are actually serious? I honestly don't know what to say to that. That is by far the most ridiculous argument that I have ever heard.

 

 

Kyle will argue with anyone about anything, regardless of how ridiculous the argument is

[MADD_DOG_31]

If I'm not mistaken, he only did the gambling when he was managing and not while he was playing....so put him in the Hall as a player and ban him as a manager

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Unless the manager had a motivation to play him that didn't have to do with whether he was good or not.

 

At first I thought you were joking about this but you seriously think that because he has the most outs ever it takes away from him having the most hits? You are actually serious? I honestly don't know what to say to that. That is by far the most ridiculous argument that I have ever heard.

 

I'm not completely serious. I'm just saying that "he had the most hits" is an overrated argument.

[Mike Aller]

Pete hit .268 his last 5 years. Well below his career average, and other statistics dropped as well, but it's not exactly like he went out like a chump.

[laurens]

If I'm not mistaken, he only did the gambling when he was managing and not while he was playing....so put him in the Hall as a player and ban him as a manager

 

And he put his money on his own team. It wasn't like he was throwing games or anything.

[SouthSideRyan]

If I'm not mistaken, he only did the gambling when he was managing and not while he was playing....so put him in the Hall as a player and ban him as a manager

 

And he put his money on his own team. It wasn't like he was throwing games or anything.

 

He didn't bet on every game.

[erik316wttn]

Selig may be reconsidering the whole Rose thing, but ultimately I think he stays banned. It's a huge Pandorra's Box if he reinstates him. Then like I said earlier you have to open up the whole Shoeless Joe argument again, and then the steriod-era guys, who, unlike Rose, used substances to pad their stats, and it's a huge mess.

 

It would be easier for Selig to just keep him banned. I'm not saying that's necessarily what I'm in favor of, but it would be the easiest thing to do.

[J.R.]

Selig should reinstate Rose via a Twitter post on the morning of September 13. With a few keystrokes he could give Rose what he wants without the dignity of a full presser, knock the NFL opening day off the front pages and put around 5,000 season tickets back into the Reds' coffers.

[SouthSideRyan]

Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't take a shot at Will Carroll here.

[Jehrico]

If I'm not mistaken, he only did the gambling when he was managing and not while he was playing....so put him in the Hall as a player and ban him as a manager

 

And he put his money on his own team. It wasn't like he was throwing games or anything.

That part doesn't matter. You don't want managers getting in debt to gambling sharks. Gambling for your team is just as bad as anything else. If he got in the hole to them, he could be convinced to fix the spread or something like that without actually betting against his own team.

 

That said, I say let him in as a player, keep the ban on him as a manager in place. Not only let shoeless Joe in, but give him a full pardon, which is the right thing to do.

 

And screw the Hall for still not letting Santo in, so I really don't care one way or the other anymore anyways.

[Jehrico]

and then the steriod-era guys, who, unlike Rose, used substances to pad their stats, and it's a huge mess.

I don't see the correlation there. The roid guys aren't banned, and would still have to get voted in. They're separate issues. It would affect Shoeless Joe, but so what.

[erik316wttn]

and then the steriod-era guys, who, unlike Rose, used substances to pad their stats, and it's a huge mess.

I don't see the correlation there. The roid guys aren't banned, and would still have to get voted in. They're separate issues. It would affect Shoeless Joe, but so what.

 

You're right. They're not banned, and I should have clarified:

 

There will be ENDLESS debate in the press about "You let Rose in. Now you have to vote (insert steroid-era great player here) in!"

[imb]

and then the steriod-era guys, who, unlike Rose, used substances to pad their stats, and it's a huge mess.

I don't see the correlation there. The roid guys aren't banned, and would still have to get voted in. They're separate issues. It would affect Shoeless Joe, but so what.

 

You're right. They're not banned, and I should have clarified:

 

There will be ENDLESS debate in the press about "You let Rose in. Now you have to vote (insert steroid-era great player here) in!"

 

no there wont

[circlecitycub]

If you go to MLB.com and look up the all time hit leaders Pete Rose is listed number 1. Nobody is ignoring his accomplishment. They just aren't honoring him for it and why should they? Pete Rose disgraced and disrespected the game. He only stopped lying about betting on baseball when he wrote a book and wanted to promote it. He is nothing but an opportunist that broke the cardinal rule in baseball. I am perfectly fine with the way things are. Pete Rose is the all time hits leader and is documented as such but he definitely doesn't deserve to be celebrated.