Soriano Upset over Latest Benching

[abuck1220]

He's upset that he's not playing. Why does that make him a drama queen?

 

because apparently soriano is one of those cats that needs "special" treatment. he is used to being told hours before the fact that he isn't going to play.

 

i guaran-damn-tee that 90% of everyday players in major league baseball are told in advance when they are going to be getting a day off. you think derek jeter runs over to see the manager's posted lineup to see if he's going to be playing that day?

[jersey cubs fan]

come on guys, this is paul sullivan. we all know that he went and pestered soriano with 50 questions trying to bait him into saying something the least bit negative so he'd have a story.

 

don't buy into this stuff. non-issue.

 

In the grand scheme of things it is a non-issue, but I don't doubt for a second that Soriano thinks he should be told in advance whether or not he is playing the next day and shouldn't have to suffer the insult of being told day of that he's not playing. And I wouldn't be surprised if Lou did that entirely on purpose to piss Soriano off a little in hopes of waking him up or something.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's upset that he's not playing. Why does that make him a drama queen?

 

because apparently soriano is one of those cats that needs "special" treatment. he is used to being told hours before the fact that he isn't going to play.

 

i guaran-damn-tee that 90% of everyday players in major league baseball are told in advance when they are going to be getting a day off. you think derek jeter runs over to see the manager's posted lineup to see if he's going to be playing that day?

 

If he sucked white hot ass for 3 months I bet he wouldn't be insulted if he found out day of that he wasn't starting.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Soriano's most similar batters after age 32 season (Soriano's in his age 33 season now):

 

Matt Williams, fell off cliff at 33

Ellis Burks, pretty darn good until 38

Raul Mondesi, fell off cliff at 33

Tim Salmon, fell off cliff at 35

Jermaine Dye, awful age 33 season, then bounced back

Torii Hunter, having a good age 33 season right now

Scott Rolen, awful at 32, good at 33, looking good so far at 34

Jim Edmonds, you guys should know how this one ended

Ken Boyer, cliffed at 34

Magglio Ordonez, iffy this year at 35 but could still be fine

 

He may or may not be falling off it, but the cliffs are looming there for Soriano with his age and skill set.

[Guest]

Maybe Soriano could afford to lose a few ounces off his bat.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah similarity scores, those are useful predictors.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah similarity scores, those are useful predictors.

 

Feel free to substitute a prediction system of your choice.

 

They will all tell you that there is a significant collapse rate for guys in their age 33 season with Soriano's skill set.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah similarity scores, those are useful predictors.

 

Feel free to substitute a prediction system of your choice.

 

They will all tell you that there is a significant collapse rate for guys in their age 33 season with Soriano's skill set.

 

I don't think those similar players necessarily have similar skill sets. Scott Rolen and Soriano are not like each other.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah similarity scores, those are useful predictors.

 

Feel free to substitute a prediction system of your choice.

 

They will all tell you that there is a significant collapse rate for guys in their age 33 season with Soriano's skill set.

 

I don't think those similar players necessarily have similar skill sets. Scott Rolen and Soriano are not like each other.

 

Acknowledged. I used a cheap and quick way to make the point when there are better systems out there.

 

The overall point is still valid, that 33 year olds with middling walk rates and high power are at a point in their careers where a sudden collapse is not unthinkable.

[A-Cal]

He's upset that he's not playing. Why does that make him a drama queen?

 

because apparently soriano is one of those cats that needs "special" treatment. he is used to being told hours before the fact that he isn't going to play.

 

i guaran-damn-tee that 90% of everyday players in major league baseball are told in advance when they are going to be getting a day off. you think derek jeter runs over to see the manager's posted lineup to see if he's going to be playing that day?

 

a guaran-damn-tee? really? sweet!

 

derek jeter does not equal soriano

 

and you are really sticking with that 90%? that is an awfully high number

[Hawk4Hall]

Soriano needs to shut up and produce. He's one overpaid baby.

[Tyrant]

This thread sucks without wrigley23.

[Guest]

Soriano's most similar batters after age 32 season (Soriano's in his age 33 season now):

 

Matt Williams, fell off cliff at 33

Ellis Burks, pretty darn good until 38

Raul Mondesi, fell off cliff at 33

Tim Salmon, fell off cliff at 35

Jermaine Dye, awful age 33 season, then bounced back

Torii Hunter, having a good age 33 season right now

Scott Rolen, awful at 32, good at 33, looking good so far at 34

Jim Edmonds, you guys should know how this one ended

Ken Boyer, cliffed at 34

Magglio Ordonez, iffy this year at 35 but could still be fine

 

He may or may not be falling off it, but the cliffs are looming there for Soriano with his age and skill set.

 

Mondesi didn't fall off a cliff - you're just looking at two seasons. He was struggling before that. He went from an .852 OPS in 2000 to .794 in 2001 to .740 in 2002. He came back with a .827 OPS in 2003 but went to .689 in 2004 (age 34). He was already regressing, happened to have a good year, then went back.

 

Williams was the same way. Starting in 1995, when he had a 1.046 OPS, he went .877, .795, .766, .880, .746, .780 after that.

 

Soriano hasn't shown any signs of regressing before this year.

[Guest]

I don't care how he feels about the knee pain: if it's there, he's gotta go on the DL to try and deal with it. It's not rocket science to think that the knee pain is likely a huge part, if not THE reason, for his prolonged offensive struggles.

 

I've thought for a while that he just needs some time off. He's gone through slumps before but never anything like this. I guess it's possible that he's falling off a cliff with his hitting, but I don't think that's likely. If he had dropped 50 points off his OPS, I'd be more likely to believe that he's just getting older, but 170 points just seems too extreme.

 

With how he's hitting, it's not like he's helping the team all that much so I don't see the big deal with sending him to the 15-day DL, giving him two weeks off and bringing him back to see what he can do then. As far as I'm concerned, a DL stint can't result in anything bad. If he continues to suck, well, it's the same production that he's giving now. But if it helps him, then he might actually start to help the team offensively.

 

Why isn't it possible for a guy like Soriano to fall off a cliff? I mean, I would think somebody like him, with a horrible approach at the plate, no discipline at all, reliant on god given ability almost exclusively, would be a prime candidate for cliff diving once his body starts to give out on him. He's approaching his mid 30's and getting injured frequently, and somewhat flukishly. That's what happens to dudes after 30. I think the injuries are much more of a symptom than a cause for struggles. They are the injuries of a tightly muscled dude who is no longer 28 years old.

 

You might want to read a little better.

 

I didn't say that it wasn't possible for him to fall off a cliff, I just said it wasn't all that likely (i.e. still possible) for that his drop off would be as extreme as it has been this year.

[gflore34]

I don't care how he feels about the knee pain: if it's there, he's gotta go on the DL to try and deal with it. It's not rocket science to think that the knee pain is likely a huge part, if not THE reason, for his prolonged offensive struggles.

 

I've thought for a while that he just needs some time off. He's gone through slumps before but never anything like this. I guess it's possible that he's falling off a cliff with his hitting, but I don't think that's likely. If he had dropped 50 points off his OPS, I'd be more likely to believe that he's just getting older, but 170 points just seems too extreme.

 

With how he's hitting, it's not like he's helping the team all that much so I don't see the big deal with sending him to the 15-day DL, giving him two weeks off and bringing him back to see what he can do then. As far as I'm concerned, a DL stint can't result in anything bad. If he continues to suck, well, it's the same production that he's giving now. But if it helps him, then he might actually start to help the team offensively.

 

Why isn't it possible for a guy like Soriano to fall off a cliff? I mean, I would think somebody like him, with a horrible approach at the plate, no discipline at all, reliant on god given ability almost exclusively, would be a prime candidate for cliff diving once his body starts to give out on him. He's approaching his mid 30's and getting injured frequently, and somewhat flukishly. That's what happens to dudes after 30. I think the injuries are much more of a symptom than a cause for struggles. They are the injuries of a tightly muscled dude who is no longer 28 years old.

 

You might want to read a little better.

 

I didn't say that it wasn't possible for him to fall off a cliff, I just said it wasn't all that likely (i.e. still possible) for that his drop off would be as extreme as it has been this year.

 

It doesn't help that he's been playing on a gimpy knee either, why not DL him and give him a chance to get healthy.

[gflore34]

I don't care how he feels about the knee pain: if it's there, he's gotta go on the DL to try and deal with it. It's not rocket science to think that the knee pain is likely a huge part, if not THE reason, for his prolonged offensive struggles.

 

I've thought for a while that he just needs some time off. He's gone through slumps before but never anything like this. I guess it's possible that he's falling off a cliff with his hitting, but I don't think that's likely. If he had dropped 50 points off his OPS, I'd be more likely to believe that he's just getting older, but 170 points just seems too extreme.

 

With how he's hitting, it's not like he's helping the team all that much so I don't see the big deal with sending him to the 15-day DL, giving him two weeks off and bringing him back to see what he can do then. As far as I'm concerned, a DL stint can't result in anything bad. If he continues to suck, well, it's the same production that he's giving now. But if it helps him, then he might actually start to help the team offensively.

 

Why isn't it possible for a guy like Soriano to fall off a cliff? I mean, I would think somebody like him, with a horrible approach at the plate, no discipline at all, reliant on god given ability almost exclusively, would be a prime candidate for cliff diving once his body starts to give out on him. He's approaching his mid 30's and getting injured frequently, and somewhat flukishly. That's what happens to dudes after 30. I think the injuries are much more of a symptom than a cause for struggles. They are the injuries of a tightly muscled dude who is no longer 28 years old.

 

You might want to read a little better.

 

I didn't say that it wasn't possible for him to fall off a cliff, I just said it wasn't all that likely (i.e. still possible) for that his drop off would be as extreme as it has been this year.

 

It doesn't help that he's been playing on a gimpy knee either, why not DL him and give him a chance to get healthy.

 

And take Harden with him

[mlarner]

Best part of the article:

Asked if he would talk to Piniella about his complaint, Soriano simply replied: "No."

Nothing creates a great clubhouse like whining to the press but refusing to go and talk about it with your manager.

[Monco]

The Cubs have been afraid to move him out of the leadoff spot since he's been here. They've put up with what looks like a lack of hustle. Of course he expects preferential treatment.He's been getting it. When teams pay that much money,a different set of standards are applied to certain players as long as they perform.

 

You can defend him if you want,but i've always felt he was a primadonna. Remember with Washington when he refused to play left field?

[Sammy Sofa]

Then remember when he did?

[Hawk4Hall]

What if Soriano is older than it appears?

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AmBy4Syqz3ikyprDr.oH.R4RvLYF?slug=ti-vladage030609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[inari]

Soriano's age revelation happened several years back.

[biittner77]

come on guys, this is paul sullivan. we all know that he went and pestered soriano with 50 questions trying to bait him into saying something the least bit negative so he'd have a story.

 

don't buy into this stuff. non-issue.

 

In the grand scheme of things it is a non-issue, but I don't doubt for a second that Soriano thinks he should be told in advance whether or not he is playing the next day and shouldn't have to suffer the insult of being told day of that he's not playing. And I wouldn't be surprised if Lou did that entirely on purpose to piss Soriano off a little in hopes of waking him up or something.

 

Soriano has always been a starter. How is he supposed to react? He's been bad for months, gets benched then goes out and gets 2 hits. I could see where he might think that the 2 hits warranted another start.

 

I hate Soriano and always have but this is a non issue. I'd be a lot more upset if he said anything else really.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why would you have "always" hated Soriano?

[wrigley23]

let's flip that around. Why have you & others always loved Sorry-ano? I fail to see the team benefit to his act. The comment about needing to be told if he was starting the day before so "he was ready to play" should remove all doubt about his idiot-ness. The addition of yet another dropped flyball in left yesterday was icing on the cake. I've never seen a major league baseball player drop as many fly balls as him. Let alone one that also makes as much $ as him & flails at any pitch between the dugouts.

[Sammy Sofa]

So the only options are to love or hate him?

 

That's ridiculous.