There is NO excuse for this train wreck.

[javy knows my name]

Ok, you just picked some of the worst (And dumbest) players the Cubs have had in the last decade. I think Brenly would get the type of players he'd want, not the stiffs you just mentioned.

 

And you just assume the players Brenly would want (which aren't necessarily anyone they could get) would be good?

 

Not hard to best the group of bums he just mentioned. I think Brenly is very baseball smart and he certainly knows what the expectations are here. After the ownership issue is settled, I'd can Lou and give Bob a chance.

 

Well, you clearly just have an old school way of looking at things that favors giving away outs.

 

For years the Cubs have been built to slug the ball at the expense of being a smart and fundamentally sound team. I want a smart team that can move a runner from second to third with no one out, rather then a slugger who swings for the fences and pops up or grounds to short in that situation.

 

Obviously, you need some power in the mix, but this team, like the majority of the teams we've been graced with over the years, doesn't know how to play the game.

 

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Stop talking and defer to Dew now.

[Sammy Sofa]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

[rocket]

Changing the offensive philosophy doesn't matter when your offense sucks.

[dew1679666265]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I like Lou's general philosophy but he still does the small ball stuff. And I don't mind elements of it in an offense, but I keep thinking Brenly would lean toward doing it too much.

 

Any manager is going to do it, it's just the amount they do it and what they teach other than that (i.e. Lou teaching patience and stressing OBP).

[Soul]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I don't get the Brenly thing either. The man had Schilling and Johnson, both in the prime of their careers, both having lights-out seasons.

 

Dusty would have won in that situation too.

[dew1679666265]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I don't get the Brenly thing either. The man had Schilling and Johnson, both in the prime of their careers, both having lights-out seasons.

 

Dusty would have won in that situation too.

 

He also had Luis Gonzalez OPSing over 1.100 in the World Series season.

[Banedon]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I don't get the Brenly thing either. The man had Schilling and Johnson, both in the prime of their careers, both having lights-out seasons.

 

Dusty would have won in that situation too.

 

So would a bunch of good managers. What's your point? I mean, I'm cool that people don't agree with me on him as a potential manager and all, I just think the "he had too much talent around him" reason is silly. That doesn't tell me a thing about him as a manager.

[dew1679666265]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I don't get the Brenly thing either. The man had Schilling and Johnson, both in the prime of their careers, both having lights-out seasons.

 

Dusty would have won in that situation too.

 

So would a bunch of good managers. What's your point? I mean, I'm cool that people don't agree with me on him as a potential manager and all, I just think the "he had too much talent around him" reason is silly. That doesn't tell me a thing about him as a manager.

 

I wouldn't be completely against Brenly from the start, but I don't think his philosophy would be the best at helping us win. Too much Dusty there, I think.

[Banedon]

I wouldn't be completely against Brenly from the start, but I don't think his philosophy would be the best at helping us win. Too much Dusty there, I think.

 

Boy, I just don't see the Dusty comparisons at all.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't be completely against Brenly from the start, but I don't think his philosophy would be the best at helping us win. Too much Dusty there, I think.

 

Boy, I just don't see the Dusty comparisons at all.

 

Why not? He's obsessed with small ball and making things happen.

[soapy]

i have no idea what Brenley's track record is as far as lineups, handling pitchers, etc. but, as a broadcaster, he's obsessed with sacs and especially with hit-and-runs. i get the impression he would hit-and-run every time there is a runner on 1st unless maybe his 3/4 hitters were up.

[dew1679666265]

i have no idea what Brenley's track record is as far as lineups, handling pitchers, etc. but, as a broadcaster, he's obsessed with sacs and especially with hit-and-runs. i get the impression he would hit-and-run every time there is a runner on 1st unless maybe his 3/4 hitters were up.

 

Hence the Dusty comparison.

[Sammy Sofa]

i have no idea what Brenley's track record is as far as lineups, handling pitchers, etc. but, as a broadcaster, he's obsessed with sacs and especially with hit-and-runs. i get the impression he would hit-and-run every time there is a runner on 1st unless maybe his 3/4 hitters were up.

 

Pretty much. He went nuts with that stuff when he was actually managing.

[E.J.]

Please no Brenly. I don't want to see more wasted outs. Honestly, let's just give Trammel a try for the rest of the season, and then pray that the sale of the team finally becomes finalized with Ricketts deciding to clean house.

[Banedon]

I guess I didn't realize it was the consensus that he was that big of a small ball manager.

 

It'd be interesting to know how many hit and runs there were per season under him compared to other managers. I'm kinda surprised there aren't more managerial statistics kept like that.

 

Unless there is, in which case, nevermind.

[Soul]

I did. But I recognize that there were many on the board that didn't agree. I'm curious what managers wouldn't do hit and runs and bunts and steals and what not. I mean, I get why people don't like it...I just don't think having a manager that doesn't do that is terribly realistic.

 

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea to settle for a manager who does it too often like Brenly.

 

Yeah, I don't get the Brenly thing either. The man had Schilling and Johnson, both in the prime of their careers, both having lights-out seasons.

 

Dusty would have won in that situation too.

 

So would a bunch of good managers. What's your point? I mean, I'm cool that people don't agree with me on him as a potential manager and all, I just think the "he had too much talent around him" reason is silly. That doesn't tell me a thing about him as a manager.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my point is this: why center in on Brenly over the average manager on the street? You yourself say you can't tell what he's about. OK, great: let's hire some other guy then. Same difference.

 

Most people want Brenly because he won a World Series and he's being presented to them daily on broadcast TV as a color analyst. These are extraordiarily bad reasons to want a guy as a manager, given his world championship came at a time & place where most other managers would have succeeded too.

[rocket]

I don't want Brenly managing for the same reason I don't want Ryno managing. I like both of these guys and I don't want a reason to hate them. Because I can guess what they're managing philosophies are and it will just make me end up hating them.

[bcl412]

Am I wrong for thinking that baseball manager is one of the most overrated jobs in sports?

[Banedon]

I don't want Brenly managing for the same reason I don't want Ryno managing. I like both of these guys and I don't want a reason to hate them. Because I can guess what they're managing philosophies are and it will just make me end up hating them.

 

Ha...good reason.

[Keener98]

Am I wrong for thinking that baseball manager is one of the most overrated jobs in sports?

 

 

Baseball managers can do more harm to the team, than they can actually help the team...

[Outshined_One]

i have no idea what Brenley's track record is as far as lineups, handling pitchers, etc. but, as a broadcaster, he's obsessed with sacs and especially with hit-and-runs. i get the impression he would hit-and-run every time there is a runner on 1st unless maybe his 3/4 hitters were up.

 

Pretty much. He went nuts with that stuff when he was actually managing.

 

That and he committed some serious abuse with Schilling and Johnson during the WS season.

[nick23]

 

And I really hope to God that anyone who wants Lou fired seriously does not want Brenly to replace him.

 

Why not?

 

Because Brenly was a pretty bad manager who rode an amazing starting rotation to a WS. I'm not saying this as a fan of Lou because I was not a big fan of hiring him in the first place, but I definitely do not want Brenly. Bob seems like good people and I really like him as the color guy but I do not want him managing the Cubs.

 

I'm very curious if people wanting Brenly managing now wanted him for the job back after 2006. Wanting Brenly just screams of change for the sake of change. Plus, let's be clear: if Lou quits or is fired before the end of the season Trammel will finish the job.

 

I don't think I'd have much of an issue with Brenly managing. I don't disagree with much of anything I hear him say on the air. And any manager that wins championships usually has a star player or two (or three, or four), so I think its pretty shortsighted and at worse unfair to hold that against him.

 

With that said though, if I had a choice, I'd rather give a shot to Trammell.

 

edit - to the other subtopic in this thread, I thought fontenot would be half decent as a starter too. I didnt expect that 900 ops from his utility role last year, but I did expect like a 775-825 ops coupled with way better defense and consistency.

 

The main problem a lot of people have with Brenly is that he'd likely be a very hands-on manager - i.e. lots of sac bunts, double switches, steals, hits and runs, etc.

 

I think he did a good deal of that in Arizona as well.

So basically, like every other NL manager.

[jersey cubs fan]

i have no idea what Brenley's track record is as far as lineups, handling pitchers, etc. but, as a broadcaster, he's obsessed with sacs and especially with hit-and-runs. i get the impression he would hit-and-run every time there is a runner on 1st unless maybe his 3/4 hitters were up.

 

Pretty much. He went nuts with that stuff when he was actually managing.

 

That and he committed some serious abuse with Schilling and Johnson during the WS season.

 

If you are going to abuse pitchers, do it with old dudes who have been horses in the past and if the World Series is on the line. I wouldn't mind Lou putting Lilly through the ringer this fall if he got the opportunity.

[Sammy Sofa]

Am I wrong for thinking that baseball manager is one of the most overrated jobs in sports?

 

 

Baseball managers can do more harm to the team, than they can actually help the team...

 

This. That's why I don't buy into the rants people have that scream that Lou needs to "do something." If anything the best managers are successful because they don't try to manage everything. Going nuts with lineup shifts and double switches and hits and runs and steals and sac bunts and all that crap is usually the reuslt of overmanaging.

[Exile on Waveland]

I guess I didn't realize it was the consensus that he was that big of a small ball manager.

 

During the playoffs -- when his team won the World Series, it should be noted -- Brenly took small ball to the extreme. I'm nearly certain he even sacrificed twice in the same inning on multiple occasions. I'm not sure I have ever witnessed a more small ball centric approach, and that's despite following a team managed by both Don Baylor and Dusty Baker over a seven-year stretch. Unless something has changed, or the playoffs were truly an outlier, I think you'd see an excessive amount of bunting/small ball from Brenly.