DeRosa a Cardinal (p. 5) + DL'd (p. 13)

[apete6]

With all of the love being shown for DeRosa and the accompanying hate for Miles, what are the opinions on a trade like this:

 

Mark DeRosa for Sean Marshall, Aaron Miles, and 2 of the 3 guys we got from Cleveland earlier.

 

Not that Hendry would ever allow people to think he made a mistake, but who knows.

[Backtobanks]

With all of the love being shown for DeRosa and the accompanying hate for Miles, what are the opinions on a trade like this:

 

Mark DeRosa for Sean Marshall, Aaron Miles, and 2 of the 3 guys we got from Cleveland earlier.

 

Not that Hendry would ever allow people to think he made a mistake, but who knows.

 

We would all love to have DeRosa back, but you're offering way too much for him. Also, you're right in that Hendry would never bring him back and admit his mistake. The obvious reason it won't happen is that the Cubs supposedly don't have the money.

[CubColtPacer]

I think it would be a huge mistake to trade anywhere near that much for a rent a player. That's sacrificing way too much of the future (as early as next year) for an upgrade for three months.

 

I don't think Hendry would be opposed to reaquiring DeRosa at a much smaller price though. He already said in an interview when asked about the possibility of trading for DeRosa that he would always love to have DeRosa on his team and that he wasn't going to rule out any speculation.

[Little Slide Rooter]

On 1 hand theres the talk of no money for a trade, but on the other, Hendry has said that there very well may be a trade, but he has to first decide what the main need is. I think its pretty obvious that keeping Miles, Blanco and Fontenot out of the starting lineup, at least all at once, and Dero fills that need very nicely.

 

I also read somewhere else that the Indians want a major league ready starting pitcher in return, and I cant imagine one of the interested teams offering up a better one than Marshall.

Edited June 20, 2009 by Little Slide Rooter

[Sammy Sofa]

On 1 hand theres the talk of no money for a trade, but on the other, Hendry has said that there very well may be a trade, but he has to first decide what the main need is. I think its pretty obvious that keeping Miles, Blanco and Fontenot out of the starting lineup, at least all at once, and Dero fills that need very nicely.

 

He can play two positions at the same time?

[Little Slide Rooter]

On 1 hand theres the talk of no money for a trade, but on the other, Hendry has said that there very well may be a trade, but he has to first decide what the main need is. I think its pretty obvious that keeping Miles, Blanco and Fontenot out of the starting lineup, at least all at once, and Dero fills that need very nicely.

 

He can play two positions at the same time?

 

The bloded suggests that hed be able to keep one out of the lineup at a time, and when Ramirez comes back, hopefully Font can do what he did last year off the bench, and whatever happens with the other 2 happens.

[Sammy Sofa]

That was convoluted.

[Backtobanks]

On 1 hand theres the talk of no money for a trade, but on the other, Hendry has said that there very well may be a trade, but he has to first decide what the main need is. I think its pretty obvious that keeping Miles, Blanco and Fontenot out of the starting lineup, at least all at once, and Dero fills that need very nicely.

 

I also read somewhere else that the Indians want a major league ready starting pitcher in return, and I cant imagine one of the interested teams offering up a better one than Marshall.

 

I think what Hendry is saying is that there's probably an okay to make one decent deal and he's going to wait as long as possible to assess the Cubs and other team's transactions to decide what move to make. Right now Wells has been doing great, but I might rather trade Wells than Marshall. I just have a hunch that teams will start getting to Wells the second time they see him.

[Banedon]

Just wait and sign Derosa in the offseason at this point.

[ArthurVandalay]

Maybe if enough people make a big enough stink about DeRo, the media will catch on and then Hendry will bring Mark back. Historically, Jimbo is pretty easily influenced by the talking heads at ESPN(The Cubs need left-handed hitting, the Cubs need a leadoff hitter, etc).

JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON, ESPN.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Right about now, Id offer Marshall straight up for DeRosa. DeRosa is on the last year of his deal, and Marshall is the number 2 guy on an Indians staff, or 3 depending on if Fausto ever returns to form. No point in giving up too much for a rent a player.

[Sammy Sofa]

Right about now, Id offer Marshall straight up for DeRosa. DeRosa is on the last year of his deal, and Marshall is the number 2 guy on an Indians staff, or 3 depending on if Fausto ever returns to form. No point in giving up too much for a rent a player.

 

That's too much.

[apete6]

Right about now, Id offer Marshall straight up for DeRosa. DeRosa is on the last year of his deal, and Marshall is the number 2 guy on an Indians staff, or 3 depending on if Fausto ever returns to form. No point in giving up too much for a rent a player.

 

That's too much.

 

Not if you factor in the 2 draft picks returned for DeRo being a Type A

[Little Slide Rooter]

Of course we could try to build a deal around Mike Fontenot and some pitching prospects and make Orlando Hudson a top target for the offseason, and if we cant get him, go with DeRo again. Of course if we cant get either during the off season, were stuck with Aaron Miles as our 2B for '10.

[RedFlash]

Right about now, Id offer Marshall straight up for DeRosa. DeRosa is on the last year of his deal, and Marshall is the number 2 guy on an Indians staff, or 3 depending on if Fausto ever returns to form. No point in giving up too much for a rent a player.

 

That's too much.

 

Not if you factor in the 2 draft picks returned for DeRo being a Type A

 

Exactly, I like Sean Marshall and if the Cubs keep Marshall I am fine with it, but if it net Mark DeRosa cool. The Cubs could then re-sign him to a solid 2 yr deal, or let him go and get a couple of draft picks who should have higher upside then Marshall. And seeing as how much DeRosa loves Chicago, I could definately see him re-signing. At this point, I just don't see Hendry admitting publicly he made a mistake in trading DeRosa, and acquiring Mark would just do that. So it is safe to say of all the available players, DeRo is the least likely to be a player the Cubs acquired. (I hope to be proven wrong.)

[jersey cubs fan]

Just wait and sign Derosa in the offseason at this point.

 

That would be a terrible idea.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I know we all love Dero, but the fact is, hes not going to net top prospects. If youre going to give up top prospects for a rental, it better be a Matt Holliday or Cliff Lee type. The Mets and Cards are supposedly the most intested, and neither of those teams have great piching as it is, so I cant see them giving up much in terms of that.

[Soul]

I can't imagine giving up Sean Marshall for a DeRo rental period. Seriously?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I can't imagine giving up Sean Marshall for a DeRo rental period. Seriously?

 

If we offer Seasn Marshall, were giving up too much. If we offer Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins, its not enough. So wheres the in between? Hart or Atkins+ a few lower pitching prospects? That doesnt sound unreasonable.

[dew1679666265]

I can't imagine giving up Sean Marshall for a DeRo rental period. Seriously?

 

If we offer Seasn Marshall, were giving up too much. If we offer Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins, its not enough. So wheres the in between? Hart or Atkins+ a few lower pitching prospects? That doesnt sound unreasonable.

 

I would think it'd be based somewhat around a guy like Jay Jackson. Not an elite prospect, but a pretty good one. Randy Wells might also be a guy to base the deal around if the Indians are in love with his start to the year.

 

You have to consider that if the Indians keep him and offer arbitration, he'd be worth a pair of first round picks to them. We'd have to come close to that kind of compensation to get them interested, I'd imagine.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wouldnt give up Jackson for Dero. Maybe a Casey or 2, but Jax is too good to give up for a rental. How about Hart or Atkins, 1 Casey and Reinhard or Stevens.

[Sammy Sofa]

I can't imagine giving up Sean Marshall for a DeRo rental period. Seriously?

 

If we offer Seasn Marshall, were giving up too much. If we offer Kevin Hart or Mitch Atkins, its not enough. So wheres the in between? Hart or Atkins+ a few lower pitching prospects? That doesnt sound unreasonable.

 

Then maybe trading for DeRosa isn't the best option.

 

Crazy, I know.

[Banedon]

Just wait and sign Derosa in the offseason at this point.

 

That would be a terrible idea.

 

Why's that?

[dew1679666265]

I wouldnt give up Jackson for Dero. Maybe a Casey or 2, but Jax is too good to give up for a rental. How about Hart or Atkins, 1 Casey and Reinhard or Stevens.

 

They just gave us Stevens, I don't think they'd want him back.

 

Any players we send them will have to be comparable to the talent they could draft in the first round. We don't have many players like that, so we'd have to give some upper echelon talent (upper echelon in our system, at least) for DeRo.

 

If they like Colvin, they might bite on him as part of the deal - allowing for a lesser pitcher(s) to be included - but he won't be cheap.

[Vanilla Ice]

IIRC, the guy that predicts the Elias rankings came out with a new prediction for this offseason just a few weeks ago. DeRosa was not a Type A