Carlos Marmol

[inari]

There's been discussion about his struggles in other threads, but he kind of needs his own at this point. What the hell is wrong with him? I'm surprised that there haven't been more suggestions that his arm is finally worn out. But anyone have any other theories?

[jersey cubs fan]

I think the 150 appearances and 200 IP the last two years has taken its toll on his arm.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Make what you can out of this.........

 

04/06 - 04/17        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC    ST   ST%  P/IP   GB   FB   GB%  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
First 10 games      5.7    2    0    0    3    5    0    98    59  0.60  17.3    7    5  0.58  4.76  7.94  0.00  0.88  0.00
Next 10 games       2.3    4    6    6    4    1    0    66    34  0.52  28.3    2    4  0.33 15.43  3.86  0.00  3.43 23.14
Next 10 games       6.0    3    2    1    5   11    1   107    69  0.64  17.8    4    3  0.57  7.50 16.50  1.50  1.33  1.50
Next 10 games       5.0    3    1    1    5    6    0    94    53  0.56  18.8    5    3  0.63  9.00 10.80  0.00  1.60  1.80
Next 10 games       5.0    1    1    1    6    4    0    95    49  0.52  19.0    5    6  0.45 10.80  7.20  0.00  1.40  1.80
Last 12 games       7.0    4    4    4    7    4    0   141    78  0.55  20.1    6   11  0.35  9.00  5.14  0.00  1.57  5.14

Marmol             31.0   17   14   13   30   31    1   601   342  0.57  19.4   29   32  0.48  8.71  9.00  0.29  1.52  3.77

[CubColtPacer]

I personally think that he always had a violent motion that caused him to have control problems. Remember, this is the same guy who had 3 starts in the majors in 2006 where he walked 8 men in 5 innings, 7 men in 5 1/3 innings, and 7 men in 4 1/3 innings. He found a repeatable pattern in 07 that allowed him to throw enough strikes to dominate. Teams also went up and were aggressive against him and chased some pitches out of the zone.

 

As he has established a reputation for being unhittable now, teams are just waiting him out hoping he'll walk people. And as time has gone on, he has lost that little bit of magically timing the motion that he found suddenly in 07. So he's not able to repeat it very well. When he finds it in an outing, he seems to get locked in and just keeps throwing strikes. But he then loses it before the next time he steps on the mound, and while he might have been able to get away with some outings of lesser control in the past he can't now because teams know that's their only real chance of scoring off of him.

[Old Style]

Maybe he's broken. The same thing happened around this time last year, no? I guess it was about 2-3 weeks later in the season.

[CliftonHanger]

I think he's relying waaaaay to heavily on the slider. He forgets that he has a sick nasty get outta my way fastball.

[CubColtPacer]

I think he's relying waaaaay to heavily on the slider. He forgets that he has a sick nasty get outta my way fastball.

 

I don't think he's worried about the effectiveness of the fastball. It seems to be that Carlos believes that he has better control of the slider than the fastball. And he might be right on that.

[soapy]

as CCP mentioned, he's got a history of control problems. it really shouldn't be a great shock, and i don't necessarily jump to conclusions about an injury (as much as i would with some other pitchers). hopefully he can find his command again.

[Backtobanks]

as CCP mentioned, he's got a history of control problems. it really shouldn't be a great shock, and i don't necessarily jump to conclusions about an injury (as much as i would with some other pitchers). hopefully he can find his command again.

 

He has amazing stuff, but I think other teams have laid off swinging at pitches that they swung at last year leading to the increase in walks.

[cubsfan5150]

as CCP mentioned, he's got a history of control problems. it really shouldn't be a great shock, and i don't necessarily jump to conclusions about an injury (as much as i would with some other pitchers). hopefully he can find his command again.

 

 

Agreed, he's got control problems and that's it. He's still throwing hard and still has snap when he gets his slider right.

[Clem Fandango]

I do enjoy me a good Carlos Marmol slider that causes batters to lean back out of the way even though it's a called strike down the middle

[Cubbie Swagger]

He's fine. He's got an ERA in the 3's, a .163 BAA and 1.52 WHIP. Plus a bunch of holds. Sure, maybe the WHIP could be lower, but by most people's standards, he's having a good year. Just not quite as dominant as we are used to.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's fine. He's got an ERA in the 3's, a .163 BAA and 1.52 WHIP. Plus a bunch of holds. Sure, maybe the WHIP could be lower, but by most people's standards, he's having a good year. Just not quite as dominant as we are used to.

 

What most people?

[inari]

He's fine. He's got an ERA in the 3's, a .163 BAA and 1.52 WHIP. Plus a bunch of holds. Sure, maybe the WHIP could be lower, but by most people's standards, he's having a good year. Just not quite as dominant as we are used to.

 

A 1.52 WHIP is absolutely terrible by anyone's standards. He's walked about a batter per inning. So no, he's not having a good year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

He's fine. He's got an ERA in the 3's, a .163 BAA and 1.52 WHIP. Plus a bunch of holds. Sure, maybe the WHIP could be lower, but by most people's standards, he's having a good year. Just not quite as dominant as we are used to.

 

A 1.52 WHIP is absolutely terrible by anyone's standards. He's walked about a batter per inning. So no, he's not having a good year.

 

The league average WHIP for a reliever is 1.43. I'm not sure how 1.52 is "absolutely terrible."

[jersey cubs fan]

He's fine. He's got an ERA in the 3's, a .163 BAA and 1.52 WHIP. Plus a bunch of holds. Sure, maybe the WHIP could be lower, but by most people's standards, he's having a good year. Just not quite as dominant as we are used to.

 

A 1.52 WHIP is absolutely terrible by anyone's standards. He's walked about a batter per inning. So no, he's not having a good year.

 

The league average WHIP for a reliever is 1.43. I'm not sure how 1.52 is "absolutely terrible."

 

Relievers are by definition lesser pitchers. That includes all sorts of duds. Being below average of that group is pretty terrible.

[Cubbie Swagger]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

[jersey cubs fan]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

He hasn't been decent. He hasn't been inconsistent either, he's been consistently wild. His walks are horrible.

[inari]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

Why not complain about a guy who simply has pitched very poorly?

[Careless]

Marmol has a 1.52 WHIP and opponents slg .269 off him. That's hard to do. He's also two walks from having given up twice as many walks as hits (32-17)

[SouthSideRyan]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

Nobody is complaining about Gooz

[Cubbie Swagger]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

Nobody is complaining about Gooz

Alright, Guzman has been pitching well. I just mean that I don't think Marmol should be one of our biggest concerns... he's talented enough that I think he will pull out of it and improve his control. I think our focus should be on figuring out how we can replace Gregg, Heilman, and Patton. I know there is alot of talk about how we need to pick up a bat... but I'd rather pick up a stud reliever or closer. Even if we win the division, there is no way we'll go anywhere in the playoffs with our current bullpen. Talented, veteran hitters will eat them up.

[dew1679666265]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

Nobody is complaining about Gooz

Alright, Guzman has been pitching well. I just mean that I don't think Marmol should be one of our biggest concerns... he's talented enough that I think he will pull out of it and improve his control. I think our focus should be on figuring out how we can replace Gregg, Heilman, and Patton. I know there is alot of talk about how we need to pick up a bat... but I'd rather pick up a stud reliever or closer. Even if we win the division, there is no way we'll go anywhere in the playoffs with our current bullpen. Talented, veteran hitters will eat them up.

 

Gregg over the last month: 1.64 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 9:3 K:BB

 

It's only 11 innings, but that's close to half the innings he's pitched this season. I don't understand the rush to get rid of him. Heilman has also pitched well the last two weeks, though granted in just 5 innings of work.

[weis21]

Gregg over the last month: 1.64 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 9:3 K:BB

 

It's only 11 innings, but that's close to half the innings he's pitched this season. I don't understand the rush to get rid of him. Heilman has also pitched well the last two weeks, though granted in just 5 innings of work.

 

I was curious after today's game as to Gregg and Heilman's stats over the last few weeks. It has seemed they have been pitching better (or even good *gasp*) lately and wondered if this Cubs bullpen could somehow be average to good as of late.

 

Good stuff. If they could keep it up, coupled with continued success of SP and the latest awakening of bats, it could make for a very interesting Summer.

[Cubbie Swagger]

People REALLY need to stop complaining about our only decent reliever. He has been a little inconsistent but I still think he's going to finish up with good numbers (even though his numbers aren't bad right now anyway).

 

Nobody is complaining about Gooz

Alright, Guzman has been pitching well. I just mean that I don't think Marmol should be one of our biggest concerns... he's talented enough that I think he will pull out of it and improve his control. I think our focus should be on figuring out how we can replace Gregg, Heilman, and Patton. I know there is alot of talk about how we need to pick up a bat... but I'd rather pick up a stud reliever or closer. Even if we win the division, there is no way we'll go anywhere in the playoffs with our current bullpen. Talented, veteran hitters will eat them up.

 

Gregg over the last month: 1.64 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 9:3 K:BB

 

It's only 11 innings, but that's close to half the innings he's pitched this season. I don't understand the rush to get rid of him. Heilman has also pitched well the last two weeks, though granted in just 5 innings of work.

Those are the stats you give to the other ball club as a sales pitch when we try to trade them.

 

Seriously, I don't care if their numbers have been good lately. They still suck. Florida wanted Gregg gone, and somehow we decided that someone who wasn't good enough to pitch for the Marlins was exactly what we were looking for in a world series-caliber closer. And Heilman is pretty much garbage, too. My dad is a Mets fan, and he was almost dancing in the streets when they got rid of him. Then when he got traded to the Cubs, he told me that I would learn to hate him just as much as he did. Well, he was certainly right.

 

You're saying you'd feel comfortable with Heilman, Gregg, or Patton on the mound in a close world series game? I certainly wouldn't.