Pedro signs with Phillies (page 3)

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

Pedro for closer?

 

I agree with you that are concerned about the offense but I see our bulletin as the real problem. I don't know if Pedro would be willing to go to the bullpen but I like the idea of him being tried as a closer. He can't do any worse. I neither have confidence in Gregg nor Marmol. If Pedro is dead set on starting, how about puting Martinez in the starting rotation and moving Randy Wells to middle relief. What are your thoughts on the matter?

[C.C.]

Pedro for closer?

 

I agree with you that are concerned about the offense but I see our bulletin as the real problem. I don't know if Pedro would be willing to go to the bullpen but I like the idea of him being tried as a closer. He can't do any worse. I neither have confidence in Gregg nor Marmol. If Pedro is dead set on starting, how about puting Martinez in the starting rotation and moving Randy Wells to middle relief. What are your thoughts on the matter?

 

Offense is still a major problem

[NCCubFan]

I agree with you that are concerned about the offense but I see our bulletin as the real problem.

That explains everything. The offense didn't get that bulletin. :D

[RedFlash]

Pedro for closer?

 

I agree with you that are concerned about the offense but I see our bulletin as the real problem. I don't know if Pedro would be willing to go to the bullpen but I like the idea of him being tried as a closer. He can't do any worse. I neither have confidence in Gregg nor Marmol. If Pedro is dead set on starting, how about puting Martinez in the starting rotation and moving Randy Wells to middle relief. What are your thoughts on the matter?

 

Personally, if the Cubs signed Pedro it would be for the starting rotation, and then a move to the bullpen for the rest of the yr for both Wells and Marshall. I know you don't have confidence in Marmol, but I still do. Because outside of his control, Marmol's numbers are in line with last yr's numbers with slight differences. If you get the walks in check and Marmol goes back to McNasty. Gregg is the guy I don't trust at all. You get Marmol to trust his stuff and gt his walks in order, you move Wells and Marshall in the bullpen with Guzman and Ascanio and you eliminate Waddell and Patton from the bullpen, and you have the makings of a damn good bullpen. I know alot of ifs, but still the potential is there.

 

The biggest problem is offense. Right now it is a vicious cycle. The offense can't score which makes the pitchers have to pitch better. But when the pitcher tries to hard and give up runs then they put the offense in a bad position. You get the offense fixed, and you almost will see instant improvement in your bullpen.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

I agree with you that are concerned about the offense but I see our bulletin as the real problem.

That explains everything. The offense didn't get that bulletin. :D

 

Priceless NC! Okay you guys are right. It's the offense but signing Pedro still intigues me.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Associated Press talked to Pedro Martinez, who says he has had discussions with the Cubs and Rays.

 

"There's a good chance I'll be signing soon, but there still isn't anything firm," Martinez said.

 

This fits in with reports last week that Pedro had worked out with the teams, though Marc Topkin at the St. Petersburg Times talked with a Rays official who said it was "very unlikely" anything would come of it. Martinez also said he wants to pitch for a contender, because he needs the "emotion of competition."

 

The latest says that Pedro could be signing sooner than later, and the Cubs and Rays are the 2 teams hes been in most contact with. The Rays management doesnt think anything will come of it, leaving the Cubs as the favorite for him. I guess hed go in the rotation, Wells to the pen, and that silly David Patton experiment finally comes to an end. I know Wells deserves a rotation spot, but so did Marshall, and if Pedros best for the team, go for it.

 

I am warming up to the idea of Pedro, even though if we have any expendable income, Id rather get a bat, preferbly Ray Durham, or even Jim Edmonds, despite the fact that we dont have room for him.

[Schwarber Fan]

How about trading Dempster for a bat and keeping Wells in the rotation?

[Little Slide Rooter]

How about trading Dempster for a bat and keeping Wells in the rotation?

 

Not going to be easy after the 4 year deal without eating big bucks.

[Tryptamine]

Wasting limited resources on what is already the strength of the team; I wouldn't expect anything less from the Cubs.

[cubsfan26]

How about trading Dempster for a bat and keeping Wells in the rotation?

 

Not going to be easy after the 4 year deal without eating big bucks.

 

 

Why would the Cubs have to eat big bucks? The going rate for guys who pitch 200 innings, strike people out and have era's below 4 is between 11-13m these days. Dempsters probably gonna end up with numbers like Lilly had in 07-08(which is quality number 2-3 starter). So if we did trade Dempster(which we won't), I don't see why we would have to eat salary. Unless he has a drop off in production he's not really overpaid. Now if he can start pitching like he did in 08 again he will be very underpaid actually. But I don't expect him to pitch that good and I don't think the Cubs did either.

[dew1679666265]

Wasting limited resources on what is already the strength of the team; I wouldn't expect anything less from the Cubs.

 

Signing Pedro has a chance one way or another of strengthening the bullpen. That would help a weakness on the team (though a lessening one).

[dew1679666265]

How about trading Dempster for a bat and keeping Wells in the rotation?

 

Not going to be easy after the 4 year deal without eating big bucks.

 

 

Why would the Cubs have to eat big bucks? The going rate for guys who pitch 200 innings, strike people out and have era's below 4 is between 11-13m these days. Dempsters probably gonna end up with numbers like Lilly had in 07-08(which is quality number 2-3 starter). So if we did trade Dempster(which we won't), I don't see why we would have to eat salary. Unless he has a drop off in production he's not really overpaid. Now if he can start pitching like he did in 08 again he will be very underpaid actually. But I don't expect him to pitch that good and I don't think the Cubs did either.

 

The three years after this one would be the hindrance if the Cubs were to try to trade Dempster. He'll be 35 when the contract ends and that might worry some teams.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Wasting limited resources on what is already the strength of the team; I wouldn't expect anything less from the Cubs.

 

Signing Pedro has a chance one way or another of strengthening the bullpen. That would help a weakness on the team (though a lessening one).

I agree that the pen has been a problem at times, but not the big problem. If were going to get a guy who hasnt played organized ball in about 9 months, why not go after Ray Durham who we could plug in at second, and he can platoon with Font if not send Font to the bench where he belongs when Ramirez gets back, and no more of this Miles/Freel/Blanco/Scales non sense.

[CUBZ99]

If the Cubs sign Pedro, I bet that Hendry immediately trades Marshall or Wells and a couple of other pieces for a hitter.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If the Cubs sign Pedro, I bet that Hendry immediately trades Marshall or Wells and a couple of other pieces for a hitter.

Id be all for it. Marshall would probably generate more interest being a lefty and having more of a track record. I know we could rely on him of rthe future, but next year, wes still have Z, Lilly, Dempster, and Wells. We could probably re sign Harden, and if not, we could find something else. Maybe Shark will finally be ready. Probably not though.

[shnsajax]

If the Cubs sign Pedro, I bet that Hendry immediately trades Marshall or Wells and a couple of other pieces for a hitter.

Id be all for it. Marshall would probably generate more interest being a lefty and having more of a track record. I know we could rely on him of rthe future, but next year, wes still have Z, Lilly, Dempster, and Wells. We could probably re sign Harden, and if not, we could find something else. Maybe Shark will finally be ready. Probably not though.

 

Marshall, Fox, and Fontenot for Aaron Hill.

[manbearcub]

by all means, lets go for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

 

this is why meathead fans who boo every time someone so much as takes a strike are ruining the cubs, by the hands of Jim Hendry who listens to them

[dew1679666265]

Wasting limited resources on what is already the strength of the team; I wouldn't expect anything less from the Cubs.

 

Signing Pedro has a chance one way or another of strengthening the bullpen. That would help a weakness on the team (though a lessening one).

I agree that the pen has been a problem at times, but not the big problem. If were going to get a guy who hasnt played organized ball in about 9 months, why not go after Ray Durham who we could plug in at second, and he can platoon with Font if not send Font to the bench where he belongs when Ramirez gets back, and no more of this Miles/Freel/Blanco/Scales non sense.

 

Why we don't go after Durham, I don't know. But, even though the bullpen isn't the main problem, it still has some holes. Adding Pedro to it - or adding him to the rotation and moving Wells to the pen - likely strengthens it, lessening one weak spot on the team.

 

Signing Pedro also, as has been mentioned, gives us more room to deal one of Wells or Marshall for a bat, thus helping both of our need areas.

[dew1679666265]

by all means, lets go for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

 

this is why meathead fans who boo every time someone so much as takes a strike are ruining the cubs, by the hands of Jim Hendry who listens to them

 

How does signing Pedro - without giving up prospects - hurt our future? Marshall is already in the pen and Wells is unlikely to be a mainstay in the rotation anyway.

[A-Cal]

i would be pretty stoked if we got pedro...pitching depth is good and opens us up for the deadline

 

that being said, i really will be shocked if we somehow land him

 

:pig:

[manbearcub]

by all means, lets go for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

 

this is why meathead fans who boo every time someone so much as takes a strike are ruining the cubs, by the hands of Jim Hendry who listens to them

 

How does signing Pedro - without giving up prospects - hurt our future? Marshall is already in the pen and Wells is unlikely to be a mainstay in the rotation anyway.

we have no use for pedro right now (i personally think both wells and marshall would be better than pedro), unless we are going to trade marshall or wells for a crap 3rd baseman who will play for a month and then not be heard from again.

 

And i think it is fairly obvious at this point that a marginal upgrade at third for a month will have no impact on whether we make the playoffs or not.

[dew1679666265]

by all means, lets go for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

 

this is why meathead fans who boo every time someone so much as takes a strike are ruining the cubs, by the hands of Jim Hendry who listens to them

 

How does signing Pedro - without giving up prospects - hurt our future? Marshall is already in the pen and Wells is unlikely to be a mainstay in the rotation anyway.

we have no use for pedro right now (i personally think both wells and marshall would be better than pedro), unless we are going to trade marshall or wells for a crap 3rd baseman who will play for a month and then not be heard from again.

 

And i think it is fairly obvious at this point that a marginal upgrade at third for a month will have no impact on whether we make the playoffs or not.

 

How is that mortgaging our future though? If Marshall is traded I can understand, but Wells? The best idea is probably to trade him now while his value is at it's highest.

 

Also, adding a second baseman who can hit better than Fontenot has and, perhaps, who can play some third as well would help us throughout the year and not just for the next month. Plus, Aramis will still need numerous days off most likely, to let his shoulder rest. There will be uses for whoever we might acquire.

 

The question of how effective Pedro might be is legit, however. It's encouraging that his stuff seems to be good, though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Pedro for closer!

[A-Cal]

by all means, lets go for short term fixes at the expense of the future.

 

this is why meathead fans who boo every time someone so much as takes a strike are ruining the cubs, by the hands of Jim Hendry who listens to them

 

How does signing Pedro - without giving up prospects - hurt our future? Marshall is already in the pen and Wells is unlikely to be a mainstay in the rotation anyway.

we have no use for pedro right now (i personally think both wells and marshall would be better than pedro), unless we are going to trade marshall or wells for a crap 3rd baseman who will play for a month and then not be heard from again.

 

And i think it is fairly obvious at this point that a marginal upgrade at third for a month will have no impact on whether we make the playoffs or not.

 

How is that mortgaging our future though? If Marshall is traded I can understand, but Wells? The best idea is probably to trade him now while his value is at it's highest.

 

Also, adding a second baseman who can hit better than Fontenot has and, perhaps, who can play some third as well would help us throughout the year and not just for the next month. Plus, Aramis will still need numerous days off most likely, to let his shoulder rest. There will be uses for whoever we might acquire.

 

The question of how effective Pedro might be is legit, however. It's encouraging that his stuff seems to be good, though.

 

the roster is in a real pickle as it currently stands...however...adding pedro would be very wise

 

it would free up marshall and wells

 

marshall...well...he is decent...but i don't think he is this future piece everyone refers to him as...

 

well...sonnanstine is who he reminds me of...trade him now while his value is most likely at its pinnacle...

 

i think it would be a curious and smart move to land a short stop instead of this stop gap thirdbaseman that keeps being brought up on these boards...

 

if hendry gets pedro...i would bet money that he would then pursue a short stop or an outfielder...i don't see a stop gap thirdbaseman

[dew1679666265]

the roster is in a real pickle as it currently stands...however...adding pedro would be very wise

 

it would free up marshall and wells

 

marshall...well...he is decent...but i don't think he is this future piece everyone refers to him as...

 

well...sonnanstine is who he reminds me of...trade him now while his value is most likely at its pinnacle...

 

i think it would be a curious and smart move to land a short stop instead of this stop gap thirdbaseman that keeps being brought up on these boards...

 

if hendry gets pedro...i would bet money that he would then pursue a short stop or an outfielder...i don't see a stop gap thirdbaseman

 

I doubt he'd go after a shortstop. Hendry and Lou both seem to love Theriot and seem to be convinced he's a true SS. I would like to see a shortstop added and Theriot moved to second, but I doubt that's happening.

 

As for Marshall, he's a solid 3-4 starter, not exactly a piece that should be traded for nothing. I'd much prefer Wells to be traded at his value peak than Marshall right now.