Minor League Discussion & Boxes 5-20-2009

[Outshined_One]

Box Scores

 

Iowa with an off day.

 

Tennessee won 2-0 Box Score

 

2B T. Thomas 1/5, R, 2B (9), 2 K

SS D. Barney 1/4

LF T. Wright 0/4, K

C S. Clevenger 0/4, K

3B M. Smith 0/1, K

SP C. Lambert 7 scoreless, 3 H, 5/0 K/BB, HBP, 5-10 GO-FO

RP A. Maestri 2 scoreless, 1 H, 1/1 K/BB, 5-0 GO-FO

 

Daytona PPD: Wet grounds

 

Peoria lost 6-2 Box Score

 

LF J. Harrison 3/3, R, 3 2B (14), HBP

SS R. Flaherty 1/2, BB, RBI, K, HBP

3B J. Vitters 0/4, K

RF K. Burke 0/3, BB, R, 2 K, SB (4)

1B R. Ridling 0/4

CF D. Rundle 0/2, BB, K

2B J. Lake 1/4, RBI, K

C M. Brenly 0/4, K

SP C. Carpenter 3 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 3/3 K/BB, 5-1 GO-FO

RP M. Perconte 1.1 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 1/1 K/BB, HR, 2-1 GO-FO

RP M. De Leon 2.2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 4/1 K/BB, HR, 2-2 GO-FO

 

OVERALL: 1-1

[ctcf]

Not gonna lie, we have a pretty fun group of prospects this year. Hopefully Thomas and Vitters can keep this up.

[Outshined_One]

Casey Lambert gets the start for Tennessee. Tennessee is up 1-0 in the early going thanks to a Tony Thomas leadoff double and Blake Lalli driving him in with a single.

[Little Slide Rooter]

C-Lamb(thats his new name as long as hes good) is cruising through 3 with 2 hits and 3 Ks.

[Outshined_One]

C-Lamb(thats his new name as long as hes good) is cruising through 3 with 2 hits and 3 Ks.

 

I prefer Lambo.

[Little Slide Rooter]

C-Lamb(thats his new name as long as hes good) is cruising through 3 with 2 hits and 3 Ks.

 

I prefer Lambo.

 

Too much of a Packers reference.

[Guest]

C-Lamb(thats his new name as long as hes good) is cruising through 3 with 2 hits and 3 Ks.

 

I prefer Lambo.

 

That might get confusing with the Dodgers prospect.

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Tennessee: LHP Casey Lambert (2-2, 2.35 ERA, 30.2 IP, 9 K/10 BB)

Daytona: RHP Rafael Dolis (1-3, 3.14 ERA, 28.2 IP, 25 K/19 BB)

Peoria: RHP Chris Carpenter (1-2, 2.72 ERA, 36.1 IP, 37 K/18 BB)

[Guest]

Lambert has 4 Ks through 5 scoreless innings...after racking up 9 in 30.2 innings thus far in the season. Good to see him getting some strikeouts as a starter - last year as a reliever, he had 60 Ks in 67.1 innings.

[UK1679666180]

Hopefully I'll get to see Carpenter once Peoria heads to KC in the 1st week of June.

[Guest]

Hopefully I'll get to see Carpenter once Peoria heads to KC in the 1st week of June.

 

Nice.

[Guest]

Lambert was great today: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP on 87 pitches. Not bad for a guy who was a reliever before this season.

 

Tony Thomas is 1/4 with a double but struck out 2 times. Blake Lalli is 2/3 with a double.

[Tryptamine]

Lambert was great today: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP on 87 pitches. Not bad for a guy who was a reliever before this season.

 

Tony Thomas is 1/4 with a double but struck out 2 times. Blake Lalli is 2/3 with a double.

 

I'm really confused by this guy's numbers. Before today's outing he had more walks than K's ,10/9 in 30.2 IP, and he gets more fly outs than ground outs. Is there anything that points to his numbers being sustainable?

[craig]

Lambert is a totally puzzling case to me. I pictured him as a curveballing Loogy, but I don't think that jives so well. I assume a lefty curveballer will be hard on lefties, will strike people out on the curve, but will have control issues and will allow HR's when curve hangs or guys can sit on mild fastball. But all of that is wrong:

1. since his draft summer, lefties have hit him much better than righties.

2. This year he isn't K'ing many.

3. This year he's 10 walks/38 innings.

4. This year he's 1HR/38 innings, last year 3HR/67 innings.

5. This year he's been air-oriented.

 

So either my scouting perception is pretty screwed up (almost certainly true), and/or his results this year are pretty weird and very likely not very sustainable (unfortunately that is probably true).

 

His start hasn't gotten tons of attention, in large part because his K's are so low and we assume it's fluky to do well without K's. Probably true.

 

But, hopefully not: if you don't walk people and you don't allow HR's, you don't need a lot of K's or a lucky BABIP to be effective. Probably the big question is whether he can actually keep the walks and the HR's down so well as he's done thus far.

[Guest]

Lambert was great today: 7 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP on 87 pitches. Not bad for a guy who was a reliever before this season.

 

Tony Thomas is 1/4 with a double but struck out 2 times. Blake Lalli is 2/3 with a double.

 

I'm really confused by this guy's numbers. Before today's outing he had more walks than K's ,10/9 in 30.2 IP, and he gets more fly outs than ground outs. Is there anything that points to his numbers being sustainable?

 

The precipitous drop in strikeouts from his time relieving in A-ball to starting at AA this season is surprising. He was doing about 8 K/9 IP last year and has a great curve for an out pitch.

[UK1679666180]

Hopefully I'll get to see Carpenter once Peoria heads to KC in the 1st week of June.

 

Nice.

 

My fav. part is later in the year when the higher collegiate draft choices start out at or end up at Peoria (usually late July thru Aug).

 

Beyond Redmond, I don't know of anyone who is hurt that would poss. be at the KC/Peoria series in about 2 weeks.

[Guest]

Lambert is a totally puzzling case to me. I pictured him as a curveballing Loogy, but I don't think that jives so well. I assume a lefty curveballer will be hard on lefties, will strike people out on the curve, but will have control issues and will allow HR's when curve hangs or guys can sit on mild fastball. But all of that is wrong:

1. since his draft summer, lefties have hit him much better than righties.

2. This year he isn't K'ing many.

3. This year he's 10 walks/38 innings.

4. This year he's 1HR/38 innings, last year 3HR/67 innings.

5. This year he's been air-oriented.

 

So either my scouting perception is pretty screwed up (almost certainly true), and/or his results this year are pretty weird and very likely not very sustainable (unfortunately that is probably true).

 

His start hasn't gotten tons of attention, in large part because his K's are so low and we assume it's fluky to do well without K's. Probably true.

 

But, hopefully not: if you don't walk people and you don't allow HR's, you don't need a lot of K's or a lucky BABIP to be effective. Probably the big question is whether he can actually keep the walks and the HR's down so well as he's done thus far.

 

The increase in HR could possibly be explained by pitching inthe MWL (bad HR league early in the season when its cold) and the FSL last year and moving to the SL this year BUT I don't know if those leagues broke down that way in terms of favoring pitchers and hitters last year. No matter what, he's a fly ball pitcher so he's more prone to HRs.

 

Another reason he doesn't get tons of attention is that I think most of us realize his future is as a reliever (combined with his lack of Ks).

[Guest]

Hopefully I'll get to see Carpenter once Peoria heads to KC in the 1st week of June.

 

Nice.

 

My fav. part is later in the year when the higher collegiate draft choices start out at or end up at Peoria (usually late July thru Aug).

 

Beyond Redmond, I don't know of anyone who is hurt that would poss. be at the KC/Peoria series in about 2 weeks.

 

If someone gets promoted, Larry Suarez is probably next in line to start at Peoria. Of course that someone would likely be Carpenter.

 

Dae-Eun Rhee is too far away. Heck, Redmond might be too far away still if you're going in 2 weeks.

[hotshot13422]

Lambert is a totally puzzling case to me. I pictured him as a curveballing Loogy, but I don't think that jives so well. I assume a lefty curveballer will be hard on lefties, will strike people out on the curve, but will have control issues and will allow HR's when curve hangs or guys can sit on mild fastball. But all of that is wrong:

1. since his draft summer, lefties have hit him much better than righties.

2. This year he isn't K'ing many.

3. This year he's 10 walks/38 innings.

4. This year he's 1HR/38 innings, last year 3HR/67 innings.

5. This year he's been air-oriented.

 

So either my scouting perception is pretty screwed up (almost certainly true), and/or his results this year are pretty weird and very likely not very sustainable (unfortunately that is probably true).

 

His start hasn't gotten tons of attention, in large part because his K's are so low and we assume it's fluky to do well without K's. Probably true.

 

But, hopefully not: if you don't walk people and you don't allow HR's, you don't need a lot of K's or a lucky BABIP to be effective. Probably the big question is whether he can actually keep the walks and the HR's down so well as he's done thus far.

 

The increase in HR could possibly be explained by pitching inthe MWL (bad HR league early in the season when its cold) and the FSL last year and moving to the SL this year BUT I don't know if those leagues broke down that way in terms of favoring pitchers and hitters last year. No matter what, he's a fly ball pitcher so he's more prone to HRs.

 

Another reason he doesn't get tons of attention is that I think most of us realize his future is as a reliever (combined with his lack of Ks).

 

Increase in home runs? Now i'm only a mechanical engineer, so i could be wrong, but i thought 1 over 38 innings is better than 3 over 67. This year he's allowing a home run ever 38 innings compared to last year when he was allowing a home run every 22.33 innings. Of course, i could be reading that backwards, idk

[craig]

The increase in HR could possibly be explained by pitching inthe MWL (bad HR league early in the season when its cold) and the FSL last year and moving to the SL this year BUT I don't know if those leagues broke down that way in terms of favoring pitchers and hitters last year. No matter what, he's a fly ball pitcher so he's more prone to HRs.

 

Another reason he doesn't get tons of attention is that I think most of us realize his future is as a reliever (combined with his lack of Ks).

 

Not sure I'm following exactly. But I think I your claim is pretty simple: he's a fly ball pitcher so he's more prone to HR's.

 

I wonder. He's never allowed HR's. This is his third pro season, and he's allowed only 4 HR in around 150 innings. He was really good last year (3 HR in 67 innings), but he was much better his draft year (none) and this year (one). In 4 aluminum-bat college seasons of almost 200 innings, he allowed only 6 HR, which I think is also rather favorable. Maybe he really is sustainably anti-HR, for whatever reason? (Mind you, I don't have any great theory of why he should be....)

 

Lambert has a remarkable and fun bbcube page: none of the 9 college/pro lines has an ERA above 3. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/L/Casey-Lambert-1.shtml

 

Again, I don't know why he doesn't allow HR's. Maybe it's that very consistency; lots of HR's come not on good fastballs/curves but on bad ones, on mistakes. Perhaps he's just got unusually consistent control of the stuff he throws and rarely makes mistakes, even if none of the stuff ever looks exceptional? Or maybe his fastball has more life and run then we appreciate? Maybe he mixes and commands so well that hitters are off balance, and a lot of the air outs are weak off-balance pops and easy flies rather than rockets? Beats me.

[Guest]

Lambert is a totally puzzling case to me. I pictured him as a curveballing Loogy, but I don't think that jives so well. I assume a lefty curveballer will be hard on lefties, will strike people out on the curve, but will have control issues and will allow HR's when curve hangs or guys can sit on mild fastball. But all of that is wrong:

1. since his draft summer, lefties have hit him much better than righties.

2. This year he isn't K'ing many.

3. This year he's 10 walks/38 innings.

4. This year he's 1HR/38 innings, last year 3HR/67 innings.

5. This year he's been air-oriented.

 

So either my scouting perception is pretty screwed up (almost certainly true), and/or his results this year are pretty weird and very likely not very sustainable (unfortunately that is probably true).

 

His start hasn't gotten tons of attention, in large part because his K's are so low and we assume it's fluky to do well without K's. Probably true.

 

But, hopefully not: if you don't walk people and you don't allow HR's, you don't need a lot of K's or a lucky BABIP to be effective. Probably the big question is whether he can actually keep the walks and the HR's down so well as he's done thus far.

 

The increase in HR could possibly be explained by pitching inthe MWL (bad HR league early in the season when its cold) and the FSL last year and moving to the SL this year BUT I don't know if those leagues broke down that way in terms of favoring pitchers and hitters last year. No matter what, he's a fly ball pitcher so he's more prone to HRs.

 

Another reason he doesn't get tons of attention is that I think most of us realize his future is as a reliever (combined with his lack of Ks).

 

Increase in home runs? Now i'm only a mechanical engineer, so i could be wrong, but i thought 1 over 38 innings is better than 3 over 67. This year he's allowing a home run ever 38 innings compared to last year when he was allowing a home run every 22.33 innings. Of course, i could be reading that backwards, idk

 

Aack, I flipped the lines. My bad.

[TruffleShuffle]

daytona may have some problems with wet grounds when they return home; it's rained over a foot in the past 2-3 days.

[Guest]

Aaron Shafer to the DL with the dreaded right forearm tightness. RHP Manolin de Leon promoted from extended spring training to Peoria.

 

De Leon is a reliever so I'd guess Jeff Beliveau or Alberto Cabrera will be moving into Peoria's rotation (probably Beliveau).

[Outshined_One]

Aaron Shafer to the DL with the dreaded right forearm tightness.

 

Someone tell him to stop emailing Carlos Zambrano.

[TruffleShuffle]

bad first inning for carpenter - 4 hits (2 doubles) and 2 runs. hopefully the other chris carpenter sucks tonight too.