How about a deal with the Rockies?

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR:

 

•The Rockies are looking for pitching. The top target is Jason Hammel of the Rays, while the Cubs' Chad Gaudin is also on the radar. It's possible Gaudin will clear waivers due to his $2MM salary, though.

 

Gaudin for Baker sounds good to me. If necessary toss in $1 million to make it happen. Clears up the bullpen surplus and gives us the RH backup for Ramirez and Lee.

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His home/road splits are atrocious. Last year he had a .647 OPS on the road and .901 at Coors.

[mdwilla]

Guzman for Baker.

[dew1679666265]

Vizcaino for Baker

 

 

ignore that we acquired Vizcaino from the Rockies this offseason

[haubrich91]

Viscaino and Gaudin for Marquis.

 

Just kidding.

[Brian]

how about that redheaded kid they have

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According to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune, the Rockies are interested in acquiring Chad Gaudin of the Cubs. Sullivan explains:

 

"If that happens, the Cubs could keep both Angel Guzman and Rule 5 pick David Patton, and send Jeff Samardzija to Triple-A Iowa. The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin, who hasn't pitched well since his mysterious fall last August put him on the disabled list with backs problems."

 

Gaudin, 26, posted a 4.40 ERA in 90 innings last year.

[dew1679666265]

According to Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune, the Rockies are interested in acquiring Chad Gaudin of the Cubs. Sullivan explains:

 

"If that happens, the Cubs could keep both Angel Guzman and Rule 5 pick David Patton, and send Jeff Samardzija to Triple-A Iowa. The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin, who hasn't pitched well since his mysterious fall last August put him on the disabled list with backs problems."

 

Gaudin, 26, posted a 4.40 ERA in 90 innings last year.

 

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

[CubColtPacer]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

 

That's an interesting option to get Patton's rights out of the deal. I hadn't thought of that. That would give the Cubs a lot more flexibility to change relievers throughout the season as needed.

 

Now that I think about it, I don't think you can do that under the rules, can you? I think he'd have to get through the other teams first before a trade could be worked out, and I don't think the Cubs would risk that.

[dew1679666265]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

 

It's just Paul Sullivan speculation, but this is what worried me about that report:

 

The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin

 

If you're going to trade a guy who has put up decent numbers in the majors, can both relieve and start and is just 26, you need to get something for him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

 

It's just Paul Sullivan speculation, but this is what worried me about that report:

 

The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin

 

If you're going to trade a guy who has put up decent numbers in the majors, can both relieve and start and is just 26, you need to get something for him.

 

I agree, but just adding him into the Vizcaino deal is relatively nonsensical.

[mdwilla]

I thought the Cubs traded a player to the A's to allow them to keep Scott Chiasson who was a Rule 5 pick. I could be wrong. I would much rather trade Guzman at this point. I would rather gamble on the younger Gaudin staying healthy,and repeating his sucess he's already had against the AL east as a starter/long man. Guzman being cheaper should be more marketable on the trade front.

[dew1679666265]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

 

It's just Paul Sullivan speculation, but this is what worried me about that report:

 

The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin

 

If you're going to trade a guy who has put up decent numbers in the majors, can both relieve and start and is just 26, you need to get something for him.

 

I agree, but just adding him into the Vizcaino deal is relatively nonsensical.

 

Eh, I wouldn't say nonsensical. It was too basic, though.

 

If Sullivan is right and we don't get much of anything for Gaudin, then they definitely got the better end of the series of trades between the two clubs this offseason.

[Backtobanks]

Basically Marquis and Gaudin for Vizcaino, according to that report.

 

Ouch.

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

If they do trade Gaudin to Colorado, I'd like to get an outfielder, Patton's rights, or both out of the deal.

 

It's just Paul Sullivan speculation, but this is what worried me about that report:

 

The Cubs probably aren't expecting much back for Gaudin

 

If you're going to trade a guy who has put up decent numbers in the majors, can both relieve and start and is just 26, you need to get something for him.

 

That's why I suggested Baker despite his atrocious splits. Baker would fill a role on the Cubs, while it's looking like Gaudin is just blocking Patton.

[Guest]

I thought the Cubs traded a player to the A's to allow them to keep Scott Chiasson who was a Rule 5 pick.

Yeah, Hinske.

[Guest]

Gaudin + Fuku for Carlos Gonzalez

 

Just kidding.

 

Mostly. :)

[dew1679666265]

That's why I suggested Baker despite his atrocious splits. Baker would fill a role on the Cubs, while it's looking like Gaudin is just blocking Patton.

 

I wouldn't necessarily be against Baker.

 

Maybe Gaudin for Baker + Patton's rights? We might have to throw in another minor leaguer or something, but that'd be better than just dumping Gaudin for nothing.

[cubsfan26]

Eh, I wouldn't say nonsensical. It was too basic, though.

 

If Sullivan is right and we don't get much of anything for Gaudin, then they definitely got the better end of the series of trades between the two clubs this offseason.

 

 

Normally I would agree, but when the guy has shown no signs of pitching at that level anymore it kills his value. I recall Jerome Williams value tanking in a simliar situation in 06. Because of is track record, teams will be interested and wanna take a flyer on him. But these days, a 2m salary for a reliever/spot starter is kinda a bit of a risk to take a flyer on. Due to his salary I don't really see the Cubs getting anything of value for him. Thats why I hope they don't trade him. But it's probably gonna come down to if they like Gaudin or Patton better and who they think will be better in 09. If the Cubs really truely think Patton is gonna be better then Gaudin this season. Then they probably will trade Gaudin for a player to be name later or some crap. Because they can't keep Patton, Guzman and Gaudin, so someone has to go. But who knows maybe if the Cubs eat Gaudin salary, they could get a decent prospect. I really do hope he's not traded, but right now he looks like the odd man out. Trading Gaudin will only cause us to be looking for a long man/spot starter at some point during the season.

Edited April 2, 2009 by cubsfan26

[cubsfan26]

Maybe Gaudin for Baker + Patton's rights?

 

There's no way we get that for Gaudin at this point. We would be lucky to get Gaudin for Baker straight up. The Rockies will probably also ask a arm and a leg for Patton rights. When teams see rule 5 picks, doing really well they usually don't like to give up there rights. Unless they get a prospect they really like back. I have a feeling if Gaudin is traded, it will probably be for nothing. I really hope I'm wrong though.

[dew1679666265]

Eh, I wouldn't say nonsensical. It was too basic, though.

 

If Sullivan is right and we don't get much of anything for Gaudin, then they definitely got the better end of the series of trades between the two clubs this offseason.

 

 

Normally I would agree, but when the guy has shown no signs of pitching at that level anymore it kills his value. Because of is track record, teams will be interested and wanna take a flyer on him. But these days, a 2m salary for a reliever/spot starter is kinda a bit of a risk to take a flyer on. Due to his salary I don't really see the Cubs getting anything of value for him. Thats why I hope they don't trade him. But it's probably gonna come down to if they like Gaudin or Patton better and who they think will be better in 09. If the Cubs really truely think Patton is gonna be better then Gaudin this season. Then they probably will trade Gaudin for a player to be name later or some crap. Because they can't keep Patton, Guzman and Gaudin, so someone has to go. But who knows maybe if the Cubs eat Gaudin salary, they could get a decent prospect. I really do hope he's not traded, but right now he looks like the odd man out. Trading Gaudin will only cause us to be looking for a long man/swing guy at some point during the season.

 

Gaudin didn't pitch much after he came off the DL last year and then pitched poorly in spring training. I'd hate to throw away a 26 year old with a good history for that short a time of struggles.

 

Patton is actually much more of a risk than Gaudin because Patton has never pitched above A ball. Patton may have put it together now, or he could be feasting off minor leaguers and will collapse against major leaguers. I like his potential and would like to see them work out a deal where he stays, but he's far from a sure thing to be good this year.

 

I'm fine with trading Gaudin if we get some value for him. The idea of moving him for Jeff Baker and Patton's rights seems pretty good to me. Dumping Gaudin to take the chance that we can keep an A ball pitcher on our roster worries me quite a bit.

[dew1679666265]

Maybe Gaudin for Baker + Patton's rights?

 

There's no way we get that for Gaudin at this point. We would be lucky to get Gaudin for Baker straight up. The Rockies will probably also ask a arm and a leg for Patton rights. When teams see rule 5 picks, doing really well they usually don't like to give up there rights. Unless they get a prospect they really like back. I have a feeling if Gaudin is traded, it will probably be for nothing. I really hope I'm wrong though.

 

If we can't get something of value, we shouldn't trade him.

[cubsfan26]

I don't disagree with you at all, I just have a bad feeling that Gaudin doesn't have much value and will be dumped for nothing. I just hope there right about Patton if thats the case.

[dew1679666265]

I don't disagree with you at all, I just have a bad feeling that Gaudin doesn't have much value and will be dumped for nothing. I just hope there right about Patton if thats the case.

 

You're probably right. Which makes me sad.

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1:53pm: The Denver Post's Troy Renck reports that the Rockies' pursuit of Gaudin has "cooled." The club is now focusing on the Rays' Jason Hammel.