Stephen Strasburg signs with the Nationals ($15m deal)

[erik316wttn]

The Nationals have offered a $17 million deal, with "easy to reach incentives" that would push it to $20 million.

 

Boras is talking $50 million. Has he finally lost it?

 

You'd have to think he'd be leaving quite a bit of money on the table if he went back into the draft next year. Say another team drafts him #2 next year (I see Harper going first). That team, one would think, would have a ton of negotiating power right off the bat, because he wouldn't want to go back into the draft a third time and get drafted in a much later round.

 

He's dumb if he doesn't take what the Nationals are giving him. I hate when draft picks do this in any sport. You haven't even played one single game yet. You have no right to ask for the moon.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Nationals have offered a $17 million deal, with "easy to reach incentives" that would push it to $20 million.

 

Boras is talking $50 million. Has he finally lost it?

 

You'd have to think he'd be leaving quite a bit of money on the table if he went back into the draft next year. Say another team drafts him #2 next year (I see Harper going first). That team, one would think, would have a ton of negotiating power right off the bat, because he wouldn't want to go back into the draft a third time and get drafted in a much later round.

 

He's dumb if he doesn't take what the Nationals are giving him. I hate when draft picks do this in any sport. You haven't even played one single game yet. You have no right to ask for the moon.

 

He has the right to ask for whatever the [expletive] he wants. Why do you get to define what is considered the moon and what is considered reasonable?

[UK1679666180]

Washington would likely have the 1st and 2nd picks next year, despite the fact they've played much better since Riggleman took over.

 

It's amazing that someone would pass up 20 mil without ever throwing a professional pitch. Sign for 20 mil, set yourself and your family up for life and then use what you'll likely make the remainder of your career to uprade what you already have.

[erik316wttn]

Washington would likely have the 1st and 2nd picks next year, despite the fact they've played much better since Riggleman took over.

 

It's amazing that someone would pass up 20 mil without ever throwing a professional pitch. Sign for 20 mil, set yourself and your family up for life and then use what you'll likely make the remainder of your career to uprade what you already have.

 

How would they have both picks? I don't fully understand the rules of the draft. If your first-rounder goes unsigned, do you get the same slot next year?

[erik316wttn]

The Nationals have offered a $17 million deal, with "easy to reach incentives" that would push it to $20 million.

 

Boras is talking $50 million. Has he finally lost it?

 

You'd have to think he'd be leaving quite a bit of money on the table if he went back into the draft next year. Say another team drafts him #2 next year (I see Harper going first). That team, one would think, would have a ton of negotiating power right off the bat, because he wouldn't want to go back into the draft a third time and get drafted in a much later round.

 

He's dumb if he doesn't take what the Nationals are giving him. I hate when draft picks do this in any sport. You haven't even played one single game yet. You have no right to ask for the moon.

 

He has the right to ask for whatever the [expletive] he wants. Why do you get to define what is considered the moon and what is considered reasonable?

 

:roll:

 

Ok, he has the RIGHT to ask for whatever he wants. But if he expects what he's asking for right now, he's crazy. He hasn't even thrown a single professional pitch, and I don't care what anyone says: There is no such thing as a "can't miss" prospect. He could be the next Mark Prior for all we know.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Nationals have offered a $17 million deal, with "easy to reach incentives" that would push it to $20 million.

 

Boras is talking $50 million. Has he finally lost it?

 

You'd have to think he'd be leaving quite a bit of money on the table if he went back into the draft next year. Say another team drafts him #2 next year (I see Harper going first). That team, one would think, would have a ton of negotiating power right off the bat, because he wouldn't want to go back into the draft a third time and get drafted in a much later round.

 

He's dumb if he doesn't take what the Nationals are giving him. I hate when draft picks do this in any sport. You haven't even played one single game yet. You have no right to ask for the moon.

 

He has the right to ask for whatever the [expletive] he wants. Why do you get to define what is considered the moon and what is considered reasonable?

 

:roll:

 

Ok, he has the RIGHT to ask for whatever he wants. But if he expects what he's asking for right now, he's crazy. He hasn't even thrown a single professional pitch, and I don't care what anyone says: There is no such thing as a "can't miss" prospect. He could be the next Mark Prior for all we know.

 

Asking for something as part of a negotiation and expecting something are 2 different things.

[Guest]

You have to separate the negotiation process from what actually happens.

 

And quite frankly, Starsburg would get way more than $17 million if he was currently on the open market. Why shouldn't he be negotiating for more if he could get it?

[Guest]

Washington would likely have the 1st and 2nd picks next year, despite the fact they've played much better since Riggleman took over.

 

It's amazing that someone would pass up 20 mil without ever throwing a professional pitch. Sign for 20 mil, set yourself and your family up for life and then use what you'll likely make the remainder of your career to uprade what you already have.

 

How would they have both picks? I don't fully understand the rules of the draft. If your first-rounder goes unsigned, do you get the same slot next year?

 

From wiki:

 

Teams can also earn compensation for unsigned picks from the previous year's draft. If a team doesn't sign a first or second round pick, they will get to pick at the same slot plus one the following year. For example, if the team with the #5 pick does not sign that player, they would have the #6 pick the following year. The regular draft order would continue around those picks. For compensation for not signing a third round pick, teams would get a pick in a supplemental round between the third and fourth rounds. If a team fails to sign a player with one of these compensated picks, there is no compensation the following year.

 

So if the Nationals don't sign Strasburg and finish with the worst record (they're 3.5 games worse than the Royals right now) they would get the No. 1 pick in the 2010 draft for having the worst record in 2009 and the No. 2 pick in the 2010 draft because they didn't sign the No. 1 pick (Strasburg) from the 2009 draft.

 

The same thing happened to them last year/this year. They selected Aaron Crow ninth overall in 2008 but didn't sign him so in addition to picking first overall, they had the 10th overall pick this year also.

[erik316wttn]

You have to separate the negotiation process from what actually happens.

 

And quite frankly, Starsburg would get way more than $17 million if he was currently on the open market. Why shouldn't he be negotiating for more if he could get it?

 

IF he could get it. That's the thing. I don't think the Nationals will pay what he wants.

 

It'll be a shame if he doesn't sign. Not really a Nationals fan, but the kid has talent, and the only one he'd be screwing over is himself if he doesn't sign this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

You have to separate the negotiation process from what actually happens.

 

And quite frankly, Starsburg would get way more than $17 million if he was currently on the open market. Why shouldn't he be negotiating for more if he could get it?

 

IF he could get it. That's the thing. I don't think the Nationals will pay what he wants.

 

It'll be a shame if he doesn't sign. Not really a Nationals fan, but the kid has talent, and the only one he'd be screwing over is himself if he doesn't sign this year.

 

He'd be taking a huge risk, but not necessarily screwing himself over. For one he could get away from Washington. Plus he could ultimately get more next year. But when you are talking about that level of money, retirement money and raise your kids and possibly their kids money, I think you have to sign.

[erik316wttn]

You have to separate the negotiation process from what actually happens.

 

And quite frankly, Starsburg would get way more than $17 million if he was currently on the open market. Why shouldn't he be negotiating for more if he could get it?

 

IF he could get it. That's the thing. I don't think the Nationals will pay what he wants.

 

It'll be a shame if he doesn't sign. Not really a Nationals fan, but the kid has talent, and the only one he'd be screwing over is himself if he doesn't sign this year.

 

He'd be taking a huge risk, but not necessarily screwing himself over. For one he could get away from Washington. Plus he could ultimately get more next year. But when you are talking about that level of money, retirement money and raise your kids and possibly their kids money, I think you have to sign.

 

Again, with full disclosure that I don't follow amateur baseball or draft speculation, I would think that if Strasburg doesn't sign and the Nats do indeed have the worst record again, that he and Bryce Harper would be the first 2 picks next year, so he'd have to do this all again. And he'd give the Nationals a ton of power if they draft him again next year, because he won't want to go into the draft a third time with a huge stigma on him and he'd cost himself millions of dollars.

 

What's the minimum amount of time he'd be under the Nationals control? He could always leave as a free agent and then cash in on the open market. This isn't like football where the first contract you sign might be the biggest one you ever get. And all the money he'd get is guaranteed anyway, even if he never throws a single pitch in the majors.

[shnsajax]

Buster Olney was talking about how if the Nats don't sign Strasburg some of the GM's will be wanting to restructure things in the draft. I'm sure the players union will object to anything in regards to the current CBA, but something should happen as the draft system doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The NFL, NBA, and NHL don't really have the signability issues the MLB has when it comes to a draft.

[SouthSideRyan]

Strasburg would have to give permission to be drafted by the Nats next year.

 

The minimum amount of time he'd be a National would be 6 years. And that would involve him almost immediately becoming a major leaguer. I wouldn't put it past the Nats to leave him in the minors well past his major-league ready date to delay his free agency by a couple of seasons.

[SouthSideRyan]

I kinda like the idea of establishing foriegn citizenship elsewhere and becoming a free agent. Anyone know the specs on how that would work out if Strasburg moved to Grand Cayman?

[Outshined_One]

Heck, if I were Strasburg, I'd look into moving to Japan and playing over there for a year or two. At least then he'd be facing a decent level of competition.

[SouthSideRyan]

Heck, if I were Strasburg, I'd look into moving to Japan and playing over there for a year or two. At least then he'd be facing a decent level of competition.

 

Japan's players have it worse than US players. Soriano was only able to come here because he "retired" I don't think such a move would work out well for Strasburg.

[Guest]

Buster Olney was talking about how if the Nats don't sign Strasburg some of the GM's will be wanting to restructure things in the draft. I'm sure the players union will object to anything in regards to the current CBA, but something should happen as the draft system doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The NFL, NBA, and NHL don't really have the signability issues the MLB has when it comes to a draft.

 

Something's going to give with slotting in the next CBA, no matter what Strasburg does.

[Guest]

You have to separate the negotiation process from what actually happens.

 

And quite frankly, Starsburg would get way more than $17 million if he was currently on the open market. Why shouldn't he be negotiating for more if he could get it?

 

IF he could get it. That's the thing. I don't think the Nationals will pay what he wants.

 

It'll be a shame if he doesn't sign. Not really a Nationals fan, but the kid has talent, and the only one he'd be screwing over is himself if he doesn't sign this year.

 

In the current draft setting, he deserves more than $17 million.

[erik316wttn]

Buster Olney was talking about how if the Nats don't sign Strasburg some of the GM's will be wanting to restructure things in the draft. I'm sure the players union will object to anything in regards to the current CBA, but something should happen as the draft system doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The NFL, NBA, and NHL don't really have the signability issues the MLB has when it comes to a draft.

 

I think teams should be able to trade draft picks, for one.

[Guest]

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1589

[TruffleShuffle]

Buster Olney was talking about how if the Nats don't sign Strasburg some of the GM's will be wanting to restructure things in the draft. I'm sure the players union will object to anything in regards to the current CBA, but something should happen as the draft system doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The NFL, NBA, and NHL don't really have the signability issues the MLB has when it comes to a draft.

 

the NFL doesn't but it does have problems like guys getting $10M a year before they've played a down in the league. i'm pretty sure that jake long became the highest paid OL in the game immediately after being drafted. their system is messed up to the point that teams have trouble trading the top 5 picks because of how expensive it is to sign them.

 

i like the NBA system. make good money but not great in your first three years; if you've proven to be a great player then you'll get big dollars after that.

[Guest]

Strasburg would have to give permission to be drafted by the Nats next year.

 

The minimum amount of time he'd be a National would be 6 years. And that would involve him almost immediately becoming a major leaguer. I wouldn't put it past the Nats to leave him in the minors well past his major-league ready date to delay his free agency by a couple of seasons.

 

Someone on SportsCenter (Gammons, maybe?) said something about signing Strasburg and then potentially trading him in a year when he can be traded and that teams would likely give up multiple players to get him.

[Outshined_One]

Reports are coming in that he's signed for $15m.

[Post Count Padder]

Four years, $15.67 mil

[Guest]

It would be fascinating to see a college player negotiate the clause into their contract that top japanese players sometimes do where the signing team agrees not to offer arbitration at the end of the initial deal and allow the player to become a free agent on an accelerated basis. Totally different negotiating positions, but I'd go for it if I were in Strasburg's position.