Re: Cubs interested in Orlando Hudson???

[TruffleShuffle]

Frankly, I can't explain guys like David Eckstein and Aaron Miles getting starting jobs in the majors.

 

eckstein isn't bad considering that he's a shortstop.

[Derwood]

Frankly, I can't explain guys like David Eckstein and Aaron Miles getting starting jobs in the majors.

 

eckstein isn't bad considering that he's a shortstop.

 

what's not to love about that 88 career OPS+?

[TruffleShuffle]

Frankly, I can't explain guys like David Eckstein and Aaron Miles getting starting jobs in the majors.

 

eckstein isn't bad considering that he's a shortstop.

 

what's not to love about that 88 career OPS+?

 

OPS+ weights OBP and SLG equally, which is dumb, so i'd suggest you stop using OPS+ as your primary argument. over the course of his career he has an OBP that's 15 points above the league average. basically over the course of his career he's been right around league-average with the bat, and an average defensive shortstop.

[CubColtPacer]

Frankly, I can't explain guys like David Eckstein and Aaron Miles getting starting jobs in the majors.

 

eckstein isn't bad considering that he's a shortstop.

 

what's not to love about that 88 career OPS+?

 

His career average is about 10 points of OPS below the SS average for the last 8 years, but he also has about a 25 point advantage in OBP over the average SS during that timeframe. So overall, he's been right at an average SS offensively, and he was ok as a defensive SS until the last couple years.

 

Certainly not a guy to get excited about, but he was an adequate option out there for a few years. There never were anywhere close to 30 SS's that could outperform him during most of that time period so he was never in any danger of not having a job.

 

At this point he's declined enough defensively that he can probably still hold onto a backup job if he wants it but would be a pretty bad starter.

[Schwarber Fan]

Bruce said we're not interested, can't we just lock up this thread and move on?

[17 Seconds]

It's sad that we could now sign Hudson to 1 year deal for what we are paying Miles for two years, and Hudson will have better numbers in that 1 year than Miles will have in his 2 seasons here combined. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

I think we should still sign Hudson for a 6-8 mil. deal, he gives us a great #1/2 hitter, GG defense and a great clubhouse presence. Fontenot will still get ab's as Hudson does have health issues and it pushes Miles from getting 2-3 starts a week to 1 at max when everyone is healthy. Now that the Nats aren't signing him who are his suitors? Dodgers? Back to the D'Backs? ATL and move Johnson to LF? STL would be a great fit but they won't pay the money.

 

People complain about paying Bradley because of health concerns, but let's sign Hudson (who has health concerns). :-k

 

Comparing the health issues of Bradley to the health "issues" of Hudson is silly

[Tracer Bullet]

Bruce said we're not interested, can't we just lock up this thread and move on?

 

As long as people want to discuss the merits of adding Hudson, I don't see the harm in leaving it open. If we had a high likelihood threshold for every transactions thread, this forum would be pretty quiet.

[Backtobanks]

It's sad that we could now sign Hudson to 1 year deal for what we are paying Miles for two years, and Hudson will have better numbers in that 1 year than Miles will have in his 2 seasons here combined. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

I think we should still sign Hudson for a 6-8 mil. deal, he gives us a great #1/2 hitter, GG defense and a great clubhouse presence. Fontenot will still get ab's as Hudson does have health issues and it pushes Miles from getting 2-3 starts a week to 1 at max when everyone is healthy. Now that the Nats aren't signing him who are his suitors? Dodgers? Back to the D'Backs? ATL and move Johnson to LF? STL would be a great fit but they won't pay the money.

 

People complain about paying Bradley because of health concerns, but let's sign Hudson (who has health concerns). :-k

 

Comparing the health issues of Bradley to the health "issues" of Hudson is silly

 

My point was more about people complaining about any move Hendry makes i.e. signing one guy with health concerns is stupid, but we ought to sign another guy who has health concerns. Some of the same people who complain about Harden wanted to add Johnson or Sheets to the rotation.

[17 Seconds]

It's sad that we could now sign Hudson to 1 year deal for what we are paying Miles for two years, and Hudson will have better numbers in that 1 year than Miles will have in his 2 seasons here combined. :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

I think we should still sign Hudson for a 6-8 mil. deal, he gives us a great #1/2 hitter, GG defense and a great clubhouse presence. Fontenot will still get ab's as Hudson does have health issues and it pushes Miles from getting 2-3 starts a week to 1 at max when everyone is healthy. Now that the Nats aren't signing him who are his suitors? Dodgers? Back to the D'Backs? ATL and move Johnson to LF? STL would be a great fit but they won't pay the money.

 

People complain about paying Bradley because of health concerns, but let's sign Hudson (who has health concerns). :-k

 

Comparing the health issues of Bradley to the health "issues" of Hudson is silly

 

My point was more about people complaining about any move Hendry makes i.e. signing one guy with health concerns is stupid, but we ought to sign another guy who has health concerns. Some of the same people who complain about Harden wanted to add Johnson or Sheets to the rotation.

 

Again, you're comparing the health of Bradley to Hudson, which is ridiculous. Bradley has dozens of different injuries and is constantly hurting something different. He's fragile. Hudson is not. He hurt is wrist and it is now healed. If you want to talk about maybe that affecting his performance for awhile, okay, but don't compare a healthy player to a guy who is injured non stop. People question the Bradley signing because he's shown that he can't stay healthy. Hudson had a tough break and broke a bone. Big difference. I don't want Hudson though.

 

Also I've never seen a single person here complain about trading for Harden.

[BCVM22]

This didn't strike me as quite needing its own thread, but it's as relevant here as anywhere else since Hudson is directly affected by it.

 

Major League Baseball and the players’ union have discussed a proposal that would allow Type A free agents to sign with the team they played for in 2008, then waive the provision that prevents them from being traded before June 15. The Minneapolis Star Tribune first reported the possibility of sign-and-trade deals.

 

By agreeing to the deal, the original team would receive compensation from the trading partner – albeit not a first-round draft choice and supplemental first-round pick, which has been the reason behind the stalemate.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-cactusleaguenotes021609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Mephistopheles]

It's also a Juan Cruz hole.