So Bonds is pretty much screwed.....

[erik316wttn]

Former teammates will be testifying against him at his federal trial in March, stating that he knowingly took steroids other than The Cream and The Clear. Both Giambi brothers will be testifying against him as well. Oh, and did I mention that the feds have urine samples he gave that test positive for steroids?

 

Yeah, he's going away for perjury. Enjoy prison life, Barry, because the feds will nail your ass to the wall.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3869788

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3867536

[Brian]

I hope there is as much federal resources funding this as possible. keep fighting the good fight guys.

[UMFan83]

Will Bonds get to make his HOF acceptance speech via Closed Circuit TV?

[illiniguy]

They better do the same thing to the Rocket.

[SouthSideRyan]

They better do the same thing to the Rocket.

 

He didn't break any records, so the feds don't care.

[illiniguy]

They better do the same thing to the Rocket.

 

He didn't break any records, so the feds don't care.

True, but he cheated and lied. But, he was a Yankee so I bet he slides.

[imb]

*something about prison sex*

[Clem Fandango]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

[Rusch33]

Add on a waste of taxpayer money to keep him in jail for awhile.

[SouthSideRyan]

*something about prison sex*

 

Bubba.

 

Big penis.

[Illini Iceman]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

[erik316wttn]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

This.

 

Conte was the big fish here. Sure, Bonds is big, but he's only the most famous client of the BALCO labs. They wanted Bonds to get to Conte, and Bonds lied to save his own butt. The feds are going to nail him to the wall, and he has to know this. I see a plea bargain in the future.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a [expletive]. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

[Illini Iceman]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

Wrong. They are "nailing him to the wall" because he is very high profile witness who a large part of the general public knows is snubbing his nose at the Feds by blatantly lying ang being smug about it. If they had just let him do it they would look like a bunch of chumps and whoever they subpoena to testify down the road would know that they can lie and say whatever they want and not worry about the consequences.

Edited January 31, 2009 by Illini Iceman

[erik316wttn]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

Wrong. They are "nailing him to the wall" because he is very high profile witness who a large part of the general public knows is snubbing his note at the Feds by blatantly lying ang being smug about it. If they had just let him do it they would look like a bunch of chumps and whoever they subpoena to testify down the road would know that they can lie and say whatever they want and not worry about the consequences.

 

Exactly. If they let Barry get away with lying under oath, that sets an extremely bad precedent.

[The Voice of Reason]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

People get arrested everyday for a lot less serious offenses than perjury. Maybe Barry shoudn't have used steroids and then lied about. Not that anyone should be held accountable for their own actions.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

 

This just isn't close to true.

[CubinNY]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

 

This just isn't close to true.

No, it's 100% true. They didn't need Bonds to convict Conte. Baseball exerts an enormous influence over the govt. I think they went after Bonds b/c he broke the HR record. He's a symbol for what took place in baseball for almost 15 years. They went after him just like they went after Joe Jackson and some of the others who knew the White Sox were mobbed up, to show that they were cleaning up baseball.

 

He's guilty and he'll probably serve as much time as Marion Jones, maybe a little more.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

 

Did McGwire perjure himself?

[The Voice of Reason]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

 

Did McGwire perjure himself?

 

No, that's why the Feds didn't go after him. They go after law breakers like Bonds, not because someone breaks a home run record. Did they go after Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron or Roger Maris when they broke the home run records? Of course not.

 

Your argument is silly.

Edited January 31, 2009 by The Voice of Reason

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Do you know a lot of people who are caught perjuring themselves in front of a grand jury that don't get prosecuted?

[CubinNY]

Do you know a lot of people who are caught perjuring themselves in front of a grand jury that don't get prosecuted?

Almost all of them. People lie in court all the time. It's just not big enough to go after unless the govt. wants to send a message.

[SouthSideRyan]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

 

Did McGwire perjure himself?

 

No, that's why the Feds didn't go after him. They go after law breakers like Bonds, not because someone breaks a home run record. Did they go after Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron or Roger Maris when they broke the home run records? Of course not.

 

Your argument is silly.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Is Palmeiro being prosecuted?

[Illini Iceman]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

 

Did McGwire perjure himself?

 

No, that's why the Feds didn't go after him. They go after law breakers like Bonds, not because someone breaks a home run record. Did they go after Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron or Roger Maris when they broke the home run records? Of course not.

 

Your argument is silly.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Is Palmeiro being prosecuted?

 

Nice try.

 

Palmeiro alledgeldy perjured himself at a Congressional House Committee investigation into steroid use in baseball. Bonds did it to a Federal Grand Jury investigating BALCO and Victor Conte for illegal steroid distribution and money laundering.

 

Big difference in the seriousness of those two types of proceedings. But, for what it's worth, the Congress did look into indicting Palmeiro but determined that they did not have any proof of steroid usage by Palmeiro that took place PRIOR to the testimony. The Federal prosecutors on the other hand did have enough evidence on Bonds.

 

Bonds lied despite knowing the risks and having a pretty good indication that the Feds could prove he was lying. It was worth it to him to attempt to save his career and now he is paying the price since his gamble that they either did not have the evidence or would not pursue him did not pay off.

[The Voice of Reason]

I know the law states that since he lied to a grand jury under oath he must then be sent to jail for perjury, but sending someone to prison away from his family for lying about using steroids is stupid. I understand baseball is America's most revered sport and the records he set/broke are tainted and the integrity of the game and blah blah blah blah...

 

It's a game. Kids play it. And now we're sending people to jail over it. The public humiliation and exile from the hall of fame and/or sport should be enough punishment. Jail time is unnecessary and a waste of money for this crap

 

They don't care about the baseball records. They care that he lied to in an attempt help Victor Conte get off the hook on the case they really cared about. Sets a bad precedent if they let people lie to a federal grand jury to save their friends in a high profile case like this and then don't punish them for it.

 

If Barry Bonds was Marvin Benard, the feds wouldn't give a Veterans Committee. They're nailing him to the wall cause he dared to break the HR record.

 

If that was their real motive, why didn't they going after McGwire? He broke the single season home run record.

 

 

Did McGwire perjure himself?

 

No, that's why the Feds didn't go after him. They go after law breakers like Bonds, not because someone breaks a home run record. Did they go after Babe Ruth or Hank Aaron or Roger Maris when they broke the home run records? Of course not.

 

Your argument is silly.

 

You're missing the point entirely. Is Palmeiro being prosecuted?

 

Nice try.

 

Palmeiro alledgeldy perjured himself at a Congressional House Committee investigation into steroid use in baseball. Bonds did it to a Federal Grand Jury investigating BALCO and Victor Conte for illegal steroid distribution and money laundering.

 

Big difference in the seriousness of those two types of proceedings. But, for what it's worth, the Congress did look into indicting Palmeiro but determined that they did not have any proof of steroid usage by Palmeiro that took place PRIOR to the testimony. The Federal prosecutors on the other hand did have enough evidence on Bonds.

 

Bonds lied despite knowing the risks and having a pretty good indication that the Feds could prove he was lying. It was worth it to him to attempt to save his career and now he is paying the price since his gamble that they either did not have the evidence or would not pursue him did not pay off.

 

Exactly.