Harden: minor tear in shoulder joint

[Little Slide Rooter]

See you in July Richie.

[Backtobanks]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

[cubswin2009]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

They haven't technically lost Sheets yet. Cubs are around the 85-90 win range.

[ctcf]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

They haven't technically lost Sheets yet. Cubs are around the 85-90 win range.

 

Yea and putting the Reds as being better than the Cubs is just silly.

[Little Slide Rooter]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

They haven't technically lost Sheets yet. Cubs are around the 85-90 win range.

 

Yea and putting the Reds as being better than the Cubs is just silly.

 

The Reds are the team Im most afraid of. the Cards and Brewers pitching staffs are both all arounf messes as far as Im concerned. However, if Dusty can get full production from Volquez, Harang, and Cueto, and Arroyo as a solid number 4, they could be in business, especially if Baily finally comes through. Keppinger, Phillips, Votto, and Bruce are a nice heart of the lineup.

[CubinNY]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

They haven't technically lost Sheets yet. Cubs are around the 85-90 win range.

 

Yea and putting the Reds as being better than the Cubs is just silly.

Not having Yost will make up for the 1/2 of a season they got out of CC. Sheets is a wash as they are getting back Gallardo. They have a very potent offense. The Reds are my dark horse, Dusty's gotten lucky before and Walt is a very good GM, but they are just as likely to finish below .500 as they are above it.

 

As it stands right now I think the Cubs are anywhere from 10 to 15 games worse than they were last year, maybe worse if the bullpen is as bad as I think it is going to be.

[Vanilla Ice]

Reds 82-88 wins

 

The Reds are just as likely to finish below .500 as they are above it.

 

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[CubinNY]

Reds 82-88 wins

 

The Reds are just as likely to finish below .500 as they are above it.

 

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I'm saying I could be way, way off on the Reds, hence "dark-horse".

 

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[anabiono]

ah, whatever, who gives a [expletive]?

 

winning is overrated anyway

[C.C.]

How the hell did I miss this story today...Dammit this sucks!!!

[17 Seconds]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Yeah, for all of the "Cubs are worse than last year" discussion, what are the Brewers after losing Sabathia and Sheets?

They haven't technically lost Sheets yet. Cubs are around the 85-90 win range.

 

Yea and putting the Reds as being better than the Cubs is just silly.

Not having Yost will make up for the 1/2 of a season they got out of CC. Sheets is a wash as they are getting back Gallardo. They have a very potent offense.

 

You know they signed Ken Macha, right? Also, how is their offense "very potent"? They scored 750 runs last season, which was in the middle of the pack in the NL.

 

I'm pessimistic, but you're being ridiculous. The Cubs are 10-15 games worse, but the brewers have basically stayed the same? Right. I'm sure that replacing Yost with Macha makes up for dominance they got from C.C. That's reasonable.

 

The Brewers look really mediocre. A slightly above average offense, a below average rotation, a below average bullpen, and another crappy maanager. I don't see where 85-90 wins is coming from if you're putting the Cubs at 82-87 since the Cubs look better in pretty much every area.

 

I'd put the Cubs at like 87-90 wins and the Brewers at like 80-83

[17 Seconds]

I was on the "Cincinnatti could be really dangerous" bandwagon up until last season, but I don't see how people can keep saying that, especially now that they have Dusty and they lost Dunn.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If everything goes right for Cincinnati performance-wise, they could be an 81-win team, and then if they get really lucky on top of it that puts them in the mid-80s and a threat to win if the division is weak. That's about it. They really, really aren't that good.

 

The Brewers (87 pyth wins last season) without 48 starts from Sheets and Sabathia are not a .500 team, let alone a threat to win the division.

 

This is a worse Cubs team than last year, but the rest of the NL Central took a much bigger step back

[B]

How the hell did I miss this story today.

looking at porn?

[Colin Wyers]

I was on the "Cincinnatti could be really dangerous" bandwagon up until last season, but I don't see how people can keep saying that, especially now that they have Dusty and they lost Dunn.

 

They're a young team, in the right part of the talent curve to have a breakout. They got rid of Dunn and Griffey so there's a hope that a fly ball will be fielded for an out at some point. (They'll miss Dunn in other ways, but replacing Griffey is an underrated boost for the Reds.) It's not the craziest idea to suggest that the Reds could challenge. It's probably unlikely that they WILL, but far from impossible.

[biittner77]

It's pretty clear that, barring any rainouts, the Cubs will finish the season 0-162.

 

Haven't people been saying all along that Harden would get hurt at some point this season? That he wasn't going to start a full slate of games?

[Sosa21MVP]

Oh well we all knew this was coming in one shape or form. Probably better to find out in January than in June.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

 

bahahahahahaha

there is no way in heck the cubs win more than 50 games and the cards don't win a 130 or so

[UMFan83]

No offense, but reading that a managers impact is equal to a half season of CC Sabathia in the NL is one of the worst things I've read on this board. I would like to hear the argument though to keep an open mind.

[badnews]

Am I the only one who realizes every year we say the Cardinals are going to do below a certain point of expectation and every year we say "Holy Jesus, how did they get that many wins with such an ass-ugly roster?"

[E.J.]

Looks like we're starting off this season well so far. :blackeye:

[Wilson A2000]

It was obvious last year that his shoulder was injured and he pitched thru pain, his body language was that of an injured pitcher.

 

Then the team should have demanded that he get an MRI and surgery if needed so he can be ready for opening day. I don't know why a player wouldn't want this. They wait too long too many times to get it figured out.

[Wilson A2000]

if the cubs don't get peavy, the cardinals are going to win the central with 83 wins.

Brewers 85-90 wins

Reds 82-88 wins

Cubs 81-87 wins

Cards 76-81 wins

Astros 72- 77 wins

Pirates 65-70 wins

 

The Brewers are not in the 85-90 win range.

 

Maybe 85-90 losses.

[brewfandave]

surgery. I don't know why a player wouldn't want this.

 

Ever had major surgery? We're not talking about Lasik, here.

 

Anyway, sucks to hear. It's always sad to hear about injury, especially to someone as talented as Harden.

 

By the way, I'm guessing that the Brewers are 3-8 wins worse than last year (optimistic gets a nearly-full season from Gallardo, an improvement from Manny Parra, and continued improvement/return to form from the not-yet-in-their-prime hitters like Braun, Fielder, Hardy, and Hart). I'd put the Cubs in the high 80s-low 90s in wins right now, depending on injury and how their aging stars hold up their form.

 

It should be a pretty exciting year, what with the possibility of the Reds coming on, and those blasted Cardinals inevitably getting All-Star caliber performances out of a bunch of guys who would get cut from a beer league softball team.

[Cynosure]

Don't know why you guys think the Cubs aren't going to win 90+ again?

 

Harden won 5 games for the Cubs... count those as all losses and the Cubs won 92 games.

 

DeRosa probably accounted for 2 wins for the Cubs, take those out and you have 90 wins.

 

If we get Peavy, we're going to be just fine and win the division with 90+ wins.